Stu Jackson on AM 910

[bko32]

Stu Jackson is a moron. Look at the tape again. The Suns bench was standing at the time Horry clocked Nash. At that split second, Amare and Boris rushed to check on Nash. They had left the bench at that time. Horry turned around and took 5 steps (walking steps) away from where Nash was before Bell confronted him. That means Amare and Diaw were off the bench BEFORE and "Altercation" even started. So Stu Jackson saying that it's black and white and that they HAD to suspend Amare and Diaw is horse $HIT. The league set the precendence when they decided to let EVERYTHING Bowen has done go with a slap on the wrist. Amare and Diaw did THE EXACT SAME THING that Bowen and Duncan did in the game. They were OFF THE BENCH to check on a fallen teamate. There was no altercation at the time Amare/Diaw and Bowen/Duncan were off their respective benches.

I watched the video of the incident again last night and it looked very clearly that Amare and Diaw were running to check on Nash. However, as soon as Amare reached Nash, the altercation occurred and it appeared as though Amare took a step towards the altercation before being pulled back by one of the assistants. Based on this, I can see why the NBA took the stance they did on Amare.

 

[elindholm]

I watched the video of the incident again last night and it looked very clearly that Amare and Diaw were running to check on Nash. However, as soon as Amare reached Nash, the altercation occurred and it appeared as though Amare took a step towards the altercation before being pulled back by one of the assistants. Based on this, I can see why the NBA took the stance they did on Amare.

I agree, it did look like Stoudemire took one "bad" step. Most likely the league would have suspended him anyway, given their mindset, but that one step made the decision easier, according to their way of thinking.

As for Diaw, I have no idea what planet they're on.

 

[bko32]

Elson had to be stopped by the referee. That IS an "altercation."

Referees step in between players all the time. It happens every game and multiple times each game. That must mean altercations are happening all the time? In Elson's situation, it was more a pre-emptive strike by the ref. He saw a situation in which a player could have gotten upset and stepped in to control the situation before it could even start. I wouldn't really consider that an altercation.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Stu Jackson is a moron. Look at the tape again. The Suns bench was standing at the time Horry clocked Nash. At that split second, Amare and Boris rushed to check on Nash. They had left the bench at that time. Horry turned around and took 5 steps (walking steps) away from where Nash was before Bell confronted him. That means Amare and Diaw were off the bench BEFORE and "Altercation" even started. So Stu Jackson saying that it's black and white and that they HAD to suspend Amare and Diaw is horse $HIT. The league set the precendence when they decided to let EVERYTHING Bowen has done go with a slap on the wrist. Amare and Diaw did THE EXACT SAME THING that Bowen and Duncan did in the game. They were OFF THE BENCH to check on a fallen teamate. There was no altercation at the time Amare/Diaw and Bowen/Duncan were off their respective benches.

That has been my point exactly. At the point that the players made the decision to step onto the court, the situations were exactly the same. The only difference is that the second event escalated AFTER.

That would have been an accurate and consistent interpretation of the rule. It would have been fair AND right.

 

[Russ Smith]

Stu is on ESPN. He said something like Stat and Diaw walked 20~25 feet and that was too much into the court. i thought NBA suspended players who stepped in the court like a foot. Didn't that happend to Barkley and J.Rose???

If it was the Mike and Mike thing he said they took a left turn towards an altercation that was 20-25 feet away, not they were 20-25 feet out on the court.

I think the rule sucks and the Suns clearly got screwed but his entire claim is the key is altercation and what they define it to be. AS someone else said if James Jones had taken a poke at Elson, Duncan by rule would have been suspended, that's how the rule is written unfortunately. It almost encourages you to start an altercation.

Completely nuts.

 

[bko32]

Everyone says that Amare and Diaw were going to check on the status of Nash. I agree with this, more so in Diaw's case than Amare. It is natural for teammates to want to defend one of their own and make sure a fallen teammate is okay. However, in this scenario, only Diaw and Amare left the bench area. How come none of the other bench players did the same as Amare and Diaw? Do they not have a sense of loyalty or comraderie to Nash? This is all speculation, but maybe it's because they know the rule and know that they shouldn't leave the bench for fear of a suspension.

Also, what did Amare and Diaw think they were going to do in Nash's aid when all the coaches were already headed towards Nash to check on him?

Amare and Boris should've reacted like the rest of the bench guys. Stand up, look over at Nash and hope he's okay, but not leave the bench area.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Referees step in between players all the time. It happens every game and multiple times each game. That must mean altercations are happening all the time? In Elson's situation, it was more a pre-emptive strike by the ref. He saw a situation in which a player could have gotten upset and stepped in to control the situation before it could even start. I wouldn't really consider that an altercation.

Yep. Altercations happen all the time. How many times has there been a hard foul, and they get up talking trash, or have to be restrained by a ref. Many times. Players just don't leave the bench that often, that's it.

 

[krispydude]

did stu jackson really say if a player takes a step or two off the bench towards an altercation they wouldnt be suspended? i thought this rule was black and white?

convenient how duncan and bowen only took a "couple" of steps from the bench.

 

[scotsman13]

stu says that the nba is just following the rules and enforcing them. but as we have seen again and again during the playoffs the rules arent being enforced by the people whos job it is to do that, namely the refs. it comes down to the fact that if the refs arent protecting the players then the players must do what it takes to protect themselves.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Duncan was CELEBRATING the dunk? That's complete and utter horse-crap.

 

[zett]

in this scenario, only Diaw and Amare left the bench area. How come none of the other bench players did the same as Amare and Diaw? Do they not have a sense of loyalty or comraderie to Nash? This is all speculation, but maybe it's because they know the rule and know that they shouldn't leave the bench for fear of a suspension.
Amare and Boris should've reacted like the rest of the bench guys. Stand up, look over at Nash and hope he's okay, but not leave the bench area.

It's called adrenalin (sp) Amare and boris were actually playing the game the others were not, if you never go onto the court it's easy to remember you don't belong out there! it was a snap reaction before you could realize the penalty. Emotion takes over!

 

[newfan101]

So what Stu is saying is the letter trumps intent. Correctness trumps fairness. And sportsmanship always takes a backseat. What a great message the NBA is sending to all young basketball players.

As for Jackson's and Sterns "rules are rules" and correctness trumps fairness philosophy, I would love to see them audited by an IRS agent who feels the same way about tax code. Methinks they might change their tune.

 

[bko32]

It's called adrenalin (sp) Amare and boris were actually playing the game the others were not, if you never go onto the court it's easy to remember you don't belong out there! it was a snap reaction before you could realize the penalty. Emotion takes over!

The coaches weren't playing the game but yet they were still emotional and ran towards Nash. I completely agree in principle with what Diaw and Amare did, but none of the other players reacted the same way. Amare and Diaw need to accept some of the responsibility for what happened.

 

[mribnik]

The coaches weren't playing the game but yet they were still emotional and ran towards Nash. I completely agree in principle with what Diaw and Amare did, but none of the other players reacted the same way. Amare and Diaw need to accept some of the responsibility for what happened.

It's not surprising the other players didn't leave the vicinity of the bench. Have they left the vicinity of the bench all season?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's not surprising the other players didn't leave the vicinity of the bench. Have they left the vicinity of the bench all season?

touche'

 

[mynameisryan]

So what Stu is saying is the letter trumps intent. Correctness trumps fairness. And sportsmanship always takes a backseat. What a great message the NBA is sending to all young basketball players.

As for Jackson's and Sterns "rules are rules" and correctness trumps fairness philosophy, I would love to see them audited by an IRS agent who feels the same way about tax code. Methinks they might change their tune.

Actually, what he's saying is that James Jones should have just given Ellson an elbow to the gut and then Duncan would have been suspended. Makes sense doesn't it?

 

[JS22]

You don't celebrate a dunk by walking out on the court. If so, WHY DID BOWEN BRING HIM BACK TO THE BENCH? This logic makes no sense.

Because Duncan is the NBA's golden boy.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Because Duncan is the NBA's golden boy.

That's a given. I am just discrediting the little credibility Stu Jackson had left.

 

[F-Dog]

Don't forget Bruce Bowen claiming he "clipped" Amare by accident, when anybody watching the tape would immediately tell you it was on purpose. That lie was every bit as ridiculous as Amare's, but the league chose to believe him.


If Amare had said he was "celebrating", the league would have let him off, right? Or would they have said that Tim Duncan was just trying to check in to the game?

 

[D-Dogg]

I agree, it did look like Stoudemire took one "bad" step. Most likely the league would have suspended him anyway, given their mindset, but that one step made the decision easier, according to their way of thinking.

As for Diaw, I have no idea what planet they're on.

I agree, on both counts.

I fully expected Amare to get popped for this, but I thought Diaw would not because he didn't even make it to the scorers table as far as I could tell.

 

[jbeecham]

I agree, on both counts.

I fully expected Amare to get popped for this, but I thought Diaw would not because he didn't even make it to the scorers table as far as I could tell.

Diaw had 1 step on the court as he went around Iavaroni towards Nash.

 

[D-Dogg]

Diaw had 1 step on the court as he went around Iavaroni towards Nash.

Ah, I didn't see that. Makes sense then, in the twisted rule.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Also, what did Amare and Diaw think they were going to do in Nash's aid when all the coaches were already headed towards Nash to check on him?

Amare and Boris should've reacted like the rest of the bench guys. Stand up, look over at Nash and hope he's okay, but not leave the bench area.

I'm sure it was just a natural reaction to the play. I know that I sure as hell jumped off my couch when the play happened. I wasn't thinking that I could some how help anybody out.....it was just a reaction.

I believe that Amare truely wanted to just check on Nash. And he probably would not have even stepped foot on the court if one of the Suns assistants wasn't in his way. If you watch the tape, Amare stands up to see what was going on and has to move around the assistant to do so.

 

[bko32]

I understand the natural reaction to the rough foul. I'm not a fan of either team but I jumped up when Horry committed that foul. But the bottom line is that Amare and Diaw shouldn't have left the bench.

Last year, James Posey flagrantly fouled Kirk Hinrich but no player from the Heat bench was suspended. Kobe was fouled flagrantly by Raja last year and no one from the Lakers bench was suspended. Just recently, Sasha Pavlovic was flagrantly fouled by Mikki Moore and nobody from the Cavs bench was suspended. Why was it that the players from these teams were able to keep their emotions in check? If these players were able to stay within the vicinity of their bench, why couldn't Amare and Diaw?

Once again, I believe the rule sucks and it needs to be altered. However, with the way that the rule is currently stated, this was a fair and consistent verdict. Amare and Diaw need to accept some of the responsibility for their actions and not simply blame everyone else.

 

[Chaplin]

Once again, I believe the rule sucks and it needs to be altered. However, with the way that the rule is currently stated, this was a fair and consistent verdict. Amare and Diaw need to accept some of the responsibility for their actions and not simply blame everyone else.

LOL... Since when did Boris and Amare "blame everyone else"?