Stu Jackson on AM 910

[dreamcastrocks]

I understand the natural reaction to the rough foul. I'm not a fan of either team but I jumped up when Horry committed that foul. But the bottom line is that Amare and Diaw shouldn't have left the bench.

Last year, James Posey flagrantly fouled Kirk Hinrich but no player from the Heat bench was suspended. Kobe was fouled flagrantly by Raja last year and no one from the Lakers bench was suspended. Just recently, Sasha Pavlovic was flagrantly fouled by Mikki Moore and nobody from the Cavs bench was suspended. Why was it that the players from these teams were able to keep their emotions in check? If these players were able to stay within the vicinity of their bench, why couldn't Amare and Diaw?

Because that wasn't the 3rd cheap foul committed by this team in recent days. Case and point.

 

[bko32]

LOL... Since when did Boris and Amare "blame everyone else"?

Take that back. Amare and Boris aren't blaming everyone else. Most fans are the ones blaming everyone else.

 

[bko32]

Because that wasn't the 3rd cheap foul committed by this team in recent days. Case and point.

It doesn't matter if it's the 100th cheap foul. If the refs and NBA officials aren't going to reprimand the Spurs for their actions, there's nothing that the Suns can do but try and play through it. The Suns did a great job in game 4 of playing through it and came out with a tremendous win. If the refs are calling lots of ticky tack reaching calls in a game, the players have to adjust and stop reaching so much.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It doesn't matter if it's the 100th cheap foul. If the refs and NBA officials aren't going to reprimand the Spurs for their actions, there's nothing that the Suns can do but try and play through it. The Suns did a great job in game 4 of playing through it and came out with a tremendous win. If the refs are calling lots of ticky tack reaching calls in a game, the players have to adjust and stop reaching so much.

I disagree with you, and feel that your post is short-sighted. Either that, or you have never played any kind of organized sports. Emotion IS a part of every sport. You feed off of this emotion. If you are hit with a cheapshot over and over again, YOU WILL REACT.

How about I come over to your house, and punch you in the face for three straight days? Will you defend yourself, or will you call the police and hope that they believe your story? I'm going to defend myself first, and deal with the police later. I feel that most everyone else will too.

 

[bko32]

Because that wasn't the 3rd cheap foul committed by this team in recent days. Case and point.

Last year, there were lots of "cheap and dirty" plays by the Lakers against the Suns, right? When Kwame knocked Boris to the ground, then stood over him, how come none of the Suns jumped off the bench as a natural reaction to see if Boris was okay? Or when Luke Walton gave a really hard foul on Tim Thomas going to the basket in LA? There were lots of cheap fouls but it didn't cause any of the Suns to leave the bench area when these incidents occurred. The refs screwed up, the league screwed up, and Amare and Diaw screwed up in this situation as well, that's all I'm saying.

 

[F-Dog]

If the refs are calling lots of ticky tack reaching calls in a game, the players have to adjust and stop reaching so much.

And if the refs aren't calling any reaches at all, even if they're fouls, the players almost have to start reaching, don't they? Otherwise, they're putting themselves at a disadvantage, right?

If the refs and NBA officials aren't going to reprimand the Spurs for their actions, there's nothing that the Suns can do but try and play through it.

We both know they have other options here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Last year, there were lots of "cheap and dirty" plays by the Lakers against the Suns, right? When Kwame knocked Boris to the ground, then stood over him, how come none of the Suns jumped off the bench as a natural reaction to see if Boris was okay? Or when Luke Walton gave a really hard foul on Tim Thomas going to the basket in LA? There were lots of cheap fouls but it didn't cause any of the Suns to leave the bench area when these incidents occurred. The refs screwed up, the league screwed up, and Amare and Diaw screwed up in this situation as well, that's all I'm saying.

#1. Diaw is not as important to the Suns, and the NBA as Nash.
#2. This incident happened right next to the Suns bench, so it was much more natural for them to stand up and walk 6 feet to Nash's aid.
#3. The officiating, in retrospect was much better than it was in that series, and that is a shock, compared to how bad it was then.

 

[bko32]

I disagree with you, and feel that your post is short-sighted. Either that, or you have never played any kind of organized sports. Emotion IS a part of every sport. You feed off of this emotion. If you are hit with a cheapshot over and over again, YOU WILL REACT.

How about I come over to your house, and punch you in the face for three straight days? Will you defend yourself, or will you call the police and hope that they believe your story? I'm going to defend myself first, and deal with the police later. I feel that most everyone else will too.

I have played organized sports and was involved in a brawl during a basketball game. Absolutely, emotions play a great part to every sport. Some players are able to keep their emotions in check, while others don't do as good of a job i.e. Ron Artest. I'm just saying that in this case, Amare and Diaw didn't do as good of a job base upon the rules that are currently in place.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I have played organized sports and was involved in a brawl during a basketball game. Absolutely, emotions play a great part to every sport. Some players are able to keep their emotions in check, while others don't do as good of a job i.e. Ron Artest. I'm just saying that in this case, Amare and Diaw didn't do as good of a job base upon the rules that are currently in place.

You were involved, and yet here you are telling Amare and Diaw to leave the bench? Hard to keep your emotions in check, eh? Were there rules in place keeping you from entering the brawl?

Do as I say, not as I do.

I see.

 

[bko32]

And if the refs aren't calling any reaches at all, even if they're fouls, the players almost have to start reaching, don't they? Otherwise, they're putting themselves at a disadvantage, right?


We both know they have other options here.

if the refs aren't calling any reaches, I guarantee you that most players would start reaching more to see what they can get away with. Why do you think Bowen or Ginobili hold and grab as much as they do? Because the refs don't call it so they do it some more until the refs do something about it. Kurt Thomas was holding and grabbing Tim Duncan a lot the other night. And he continued to do so because the refs weren't calling it. If the refs are allowing goaltending and your team chooses not to goaltend, then yes, you would be putting yourself in a huge disadvantage.

Actually, I'm not sure what options you are referring to. Retaliation? That'll just get more players suspended? Forfeiting game 5? That just doesn't make any sense? Complaining to the league? Suns are already doing that but the league isn't listening. What options are you talking about?

 

[bko32]

You were involved, and yet here you are telling Amare and Diaw to leave the bench? Hard to keep your emotions in check, eh? Were there rules in place keeping you from entering the brawl?

Do as I say, not as I do.

I see.

No there were no rules that said if I were to leave the bench during an altercation you'll get suspended. Plus, it's not like the stakes were a possible NBA world championship.

Also I never said that Amare and Diaw was ethically or morally wrong in leaving the bench. I'm just saying that they should have understood the rule that is currently placed and shouldn't have left the bench for the betterment of the team. Now they've put the Suns in a very difficult situation by having to play without either of them in game 5. Horry did not force these guys to leave the bench. Their emotions got the best of them, as it does with most people, and now it could possibly cost the Suns this series.

 

[F-Dog]

if the refs aren't calling any reaches, I guarantee you that most players would start reaching more to see what they can get away with. Why do you think Bowen or Ginobili hold and grab as much as they do? Because the refs don't call it so they do it some more until the refs do something about it. Kurt Thomas was holding and grabbing Tim Duncan a lot the other night. And he continued to do so because the refs weren't calling it. If the refs are allowing goaltending and your team chooses not to goaltend, then yes, you would be putting yourself in a huge disadvantage.

Actually, I'm not sure what options you are referring to. Retaliation? That'll just get more players suspended? Forfeiting game 5? That just doesn't make any sense? Complaining to the league? Suns are already doing that but the league isn't listening. What options are you talking about?

Since the refs aren't punishing anybody for cheap shots...





You're rather dense, you know that?

 

[bko32]

Since the refs aren't punishing anybody for cheap shots...





You're rather dense, you know that?

If you're saying the Suns give a good hard foul in the context of the game, then, yeah you're right, that would be a good move by the Suns. If you're saying they should send in Burke and the first thing that he does is dive at Duncan's legs, then you're much more dense than I thought.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Last year, there were lots of "cheap and dirty" plays by the Lakers against the Suns, right? When Kwame knocked Boris to the ground, then stood over him, how come none of the Suns jumped off the bench as a natural reaction to see if Boris was okay? Or when Luke Walton gave a really hard foul on Tim Thomas going to the basket in LA? There were lots of cheap fouls but it didn't cause any of the Suns to leave the bench area when these incidents occurred. The refs screwed up, the league screwed up, and Amare and Diaw screwed up in this situation as well, that's all I'm saying.

I believe the reason why some of the players stood in this instance was due to the location of the incident.

If the play unfold in front of you(mid court), then really there is no reson to stand as your view of the incident is not obstructed. This play happened on the side-line near the Suns bench. The natural reaction if you can't see something would be to stand or move to get into view.