Summer League 2015

[3rdside]

Yes there's no guarantee he can survive an NBA season but I would rather him come to training camp healthy and be ready on opening day than him be out because of an injury suffered when playing overseas.

So would I but the sovereign nation of Ukraine wants him to play euro ball and doesn't Ukraine need something positive right now...damn place is a disaster zone.


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[JCSunsfan]

I suppose I should have caveated my response saying it shouldn't apply to all international games i.e. meaningless ones, but olympic and world cup qualifiers or games it most certainly should.



The Eurobasket competition might fall into the meaningless category but it should be up to Len to decide that, not the Phoenix Suns. Of course, they have a vested interest but for any sportsman to play for one's country is often the pinnacle of sporting success - for the love, not the money, might be the best way to put it – and to deny them this right is, well..just not right.



I can accept the insurance side of things is not perfect, nor player injury management by an international team (why, for example, do players continue to come back injured from English football duty) but in an ideal world the former would be covered by insurance, the latter by collaboration between club and country. Until these are resolved as best they can be, then perhaps you have the right argument.



But it is certainly in the wrong spirit; some of my most enjoyable sporting moments have been from Australia doing well on the international stage - to think that if you guys were in charge they may never have happened. So sick.



Interestingly, there were 101 players from non-US countries who played in the NBA last year so even if those that run NBA teams shared your view (which they probably do – who doesn’t get frustrated at injuries that happen on international duty), the likelihood of ‘no national duty permitted’ actually ever coming into practice is virtually nil. Maybe not all of the 101 foreign players want to play for their countries when it counts but I'd bet most would.



Last point - Sir Stefan; an opening argument of "I'm sorry but you are wrong" is just arrogant. An open minded approach to an argument is usually the best way to approach things.

Players contracts should be voidable in the case of major injury while playing on a national team. Their salaries should come off the cap too.

Let the players and the national team's purchase the insurance to cover it for themselves. It doesn't make sense that the NBA team should bear the financial risk.

Lastly. I am not sure you can have a real open discussion if it is out of bounds to tell someone that they are wrong. It is not arrogant to believe that you are right and someone else is wrong. I would hope that we all, on these boards believe in our own positions on things. Honestly, I think it is more arrogant to somehow believe I am above being told I am wrong.

 

[Folster]

SummerLleague Live is now $4.99! I hope you jokers didn't buy it at $14.99.

http://www.nba.com/summerleaguelive/

 

[elindholm]

SummerLleague Live is now $4.99! I hope you jokers didn't buy it at $14.99.

And if you did buy it at full price, boy, how wrong you were! Losers!

 

[Cheesebeef]

man, I kinda feel like the joke's on anyone that pays money to watch this league. tried to watch again and it's just awful. the level of play is so atrocious, I don't think there's much of anything you can tell about players, young or old, who are playing there.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

man, I kinda feel like the joke's on anyone that pays money to watch this league. tried to watch again and it's just awful. the level of play is so atrocious, I don't think there's much of anything you can tell about players, young or old, who are playing there.

This is why Len shouldnt be included in this demolition derby. Nothing of any good will happen that cant be acheived during a structured training camp. Why risk injury to a already fragile 7'+/- center?

 

[Russ Smith]

man, I kinda feel like the joke's on anyone that pays money to watch this league. tried to watch again and it's just awful. the level of play is so atrocious, I don't think there's much of anything you can tell about players, young or old, who are playing there.

Las Vegas is a bit better, but yeah Summer League is pretty bad. It's very hard to evaluate people it's kind of like AAU where some guys look exceptional not because they are exceptional but because they play a style that works in that setting, like not passing the ball.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Summer League is tough on guards. If you look bad - you most likely are bad. If you look good - it is most likely due to poor competition. If you look great, then you are the savior the team (fans) is looking for, but you were playing against poor competition and probably won't be that great against NBA competition.
Bigger guys rarely get the ball on offense, so they are battling it out for the boards.
I think that summer league is great for the "coachability" aspect of the prospects, however. Are you doing what you went over with the coaches? Can you follow a game plan? Are you supportive of teammates? Etc.

 

[leclerc]

From the summer suns training camp videos on bsots it seems like Alex and the boys enjoy themselves and from the current roster it looks like they'll play together quite a lot so at least it's good that they get to build chemistry. Looking forward to seeing this year's edition of the solar subs. Alex, TJ and Archie!

 

[Phrazbit]

Remember a few years ago when Christmas looked like an all-star?

The Summer League is the worst. If Len gets hurt because some guy from Sam Houston St is playing like a maniac its going to be a disaster. I just don't see any benefit at all.

 

[Folster]

And if you did buy it at full price, boy, how wrong you were! Losers!

lol.

 

[Folster]

Remember a few years ago when Christmas looked like an all-star?

No because that didn't happen.

 

[leclerc]

NBA game time

I just bought the summer league package and got a confirmation email. Then I installed the Android app (boy did they require a lot of personal information just to stream video...) but when I try to watch a game after logging in I just get redirected to even more expensive packages.

Do I have to pay for a base subscription (during off season) in addition to a one-time payment to see these lousy games?

I need a Suns bb fix!

 

[Errntknght]

Thanks for the reminder Folster... it was a pain as usual with NBA.com but after an hour and a coupld of password resets I finally got connected.

Saw the highlights of last Miami game... Zoran did well and made some plays that were very like what Goran does.

Also watched a stretch of the Charlotte game... Kominski sets a raft of screens and handles the ball quite well, and he is mobile. Defense was soft though but still, I think he'll do well in the league.

EDIT: Lest you forget we are three hours behind the listed time (EDT)

 

[Russ Smith]

Remember a few years ago when Christmas looked like an all-star?

The Summer League is the worst. If Len gets hurt because some guy from Sam Houston St is playing like a maniac its going to be a disaster. I just don't see any benefit at all.

Hey don't pick on Josh McCown like that.

 

[Errntknght]

If I'm not mistaken our summer league game begins in 15 minutes - at 3pm...

 

[Ronin]

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro 1m1 minute ago

Summer Suns will start Jerel McNeal, Archie Goodwin, T.J. Warren, Alec Brown and Alex Len against the Wizards. Tipping off now.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

A few thoughts:

TJ Warren - Looked really good. Physically, he looks stronger than last year. No doubt in my mind he'll be a solid rotation player this year

Booker - He's definitely got some bounce, athleticism , so he's more than just a shooter. He also looked feisty, tough out there on both ends. In a few years, I'm pretty confident he'll be at least a solid player.

Len - Nothing too surprising w/ him. He actually looked a bit slower w/ his movements than last season, looked a bit heavier too. Probably just a rhythm/conditioning thing and not a big deal, but it definitely limited him a bit jumping for rebounds / block shots + running the floor (when compared to his mid-season form last yr.). He played better as the game went on. He was 7-14 shooting - with the amount of dunks he had, he should have made a few more.

I'm curious how Len will look physically in the next game - I'm guessing he'll look smoother, a bit quicker. The announcers were praising Len a bit too much I thought; the way they were talking it seemed they didn't realize he went through basically a 30 game stretch last season of averaging 9-9-2.5 as a starter (or something close to that).

 

[Cheesebeef]

A few thoughts:

TJ Warren - Looked really good. Physically, he looks stronger than last year. No doubt in my mind he'll be a solid rotation player this year

Booker - He's definitely got some bounce, athleticism , so he's more than just a shooter. He also looked feisty, tough out there on both ends. In a few years, I'm pretty confident he'll be at least a solid player.

Len - Nothing too surprising w/ him. He actually looked a bit slower w/ his movements than last season, looked a bit heavier too. Probably just a rhythm/conditioning thing and not a big deal, but it definitely limited him a bit jumping for rebounds / block shots + running the floor (when compared to his mid-season form last yr.). He played better as the game went on. He was 7-14 shooting - with the amount of dunks he had, he should have made a few more.

I'm curious how Len will look physically in the next game - I'm guessing he'll look smoother, a bit quicker. The announcers were praising Len a bit too much I thought; the way they were talking it seemed they didn't realize he went through basically a 30 game stretch last season of averaging 9-9-2.5 as a starter (or something close to that).

what stretch was that? his best stretch was 23 games over Jan/Feb where he averaged 7/8/2.3. Hardly world beating numbers and certainly not 30 games. He flashed some good play there, but I don't think it was all that much to take notice of from outside Phoenix.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

what stretch was that? his best stretch was 23 games over Jan/Feb where he averaged 7/8/2.3. Hardly world beating numbers and certainly not 30 games. He flashed some good play there, but I don't think it was all that much to take notice of from outside Phoenix.

That's why I said I wasn't sure ... Looking at the #'s it was roughly (again, estimate ) 8-8-2 in 25 or so minutes when he 1st become a starter for a long stretch. Those were really solid #'s on a per minute basis (and his impact was good too) - good enough for people to take notice I would think, considering the media hype surrounding comparable guys like Noel/Giannis. I'm just saying I felt a lack of respect and ignorance from the announcers when they were talking about Len ... For example, Harper called Len "impressive" multiple times. He wasn't though if you saw him play last season. Again though this was just an observation (not complaining or making a big deal on it) and I'm just talking more deeply into it since you felt the need to respond to that minor point in your response.

 

[Errntknght]

I think Len missed every shot that wasn't a dunk or a FT. Also racked up 4 fouls in the first five minutes of the game.

Archie Goodwin looked an awful lot like the Archie Goodwin we saw last year. His three pt stroke looked a little improved. I do think he did pull up on one drive and hit a jumper from about the FT line. Gambled all over the place on defense - worse than I recall. Ddn't play the point but got two assists - along with 3 TO's.

Alec Brown made his first three point attempt. I don't really remember him doing much out there.

Devin Booker was poised and looked good shooting but he didn't make a high percentage.

TJ was steady and shot fairly well (7/11) - no 3pt attempts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's why I said I wasn't sure ... Looking at the #'s it was roughly (again, estimate ) 8-8-2 in 25 or so minutes when he 1st become a starter for a long stretch.

yeah... nowhere did you say "you weren't sure". You inflated not only his numbers, but also the amount of games he got them in. If he had put up those numbers over 30 games, people would have probably taken notice. But he didn't, thus he flew under the radar appropriately. It was a solid stretch, but by no means a head-turning one.

Those were really solid #'s on a per minute basis (and his impact was good too) - good enough for people to take notice I would think, considering the media hype surrounding comparable guys like Noel/Giannis.

Noel put up 10/8/2 for the entire SEASON and post all-star break, he put up 13/10/2. That's why he got hyped... especially since it was his rookie season after missing the entire previous year. A 7/8/2 stretch over 23 games just isn't comparable to what Noel did over the course of the entire year, especially when he finished with a flourish.

I'm just saying I felt a lack of respect and ignorance from the announcers when they were talking about Len ...

He hasn't done much in the league to gain "respect" at this point. He had a solid, yet unspectacular 23 game stretch and then faded at the end of the season. He's promising, but he's yet to show a major impact yet. when he does, he'll get the respect he deserves.

For example, Harper called Len "impressive" multiple times. He wasn't though if you saw him play last season. Again though this was just an observation (not complaining or making a big deal on it) and I'm just talking more deeply into it since you felt the need to respond to that minor point in your response.

the reason I responded as I did is that I feel you consistently overrate Len and the lack of respect given to him. Reality is, he hasn't earned the level of respect you believe he deserves right now. But I'm looking forward to seeing his progress and learning more from Chandler in the coming year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think Len missed every shot that wasn't a dunk or a FT. Also racked up 4 fouls in the first five minutes of the game.

Archie Goodwin looked an awful lot like the Archie Goodwin we saw last year. His three pt stroke looked a little improved. I do think he did pull up on one drive and hit a jumper from about the FT line. Gambled all over the place on defense - worse than I recall. Ddn't play the point but got two assists - along with 3 TO's.

Alec Brown made his first three point attempt. I don't really remember him doing much out there.

Devin Booker was poised and looked good shooting but he didn't make a high percentage.

TJ was steady and shot fairly well (7/11) - no 3pt attempts.

Man, TJ has to improve his range if he's gonna be a real good SF in the NBA.

 

[jandaman]

Goodwin gambling on defense is overblown. Those could of resulted on 2-3 dunks easily. Wade does those heaps.
He played well, but he still needs to improve a bit more on his mid range and pace, especially when driving... he had nice drive then kickouts....
He really is starting to look like Bledsoe Clipper-days, but with higher ceiling due to size.

Warren, might as well wear long socks and tight short shorts and grow a mini fro and moustache. The guy is old school and thats a good thing.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I think Len missed every shot that wasn't a dunk or a FT. Also racked up 4 fouls in the first five minutes of the game.

Archie Goodwin looked an awful lot like the Archie Goodwin we saw last year. His three pt stroke looked a little improved. I do think he did pull up on one drive and hit a jumper from about the FT line. Gambled all over the place on defense - worse than I recall. Ddn't play the point but got two assists - along with 3 TO's.

Alec Brown made his first three point attempt. I don't really remember him doing much out there.

Devin Booker was poised and looked good shooting but he didn't make a high percentage.

TJ was steady and shot fairly well (7/11) - no 3pt attempts.

Agreed, Booker was poised for an 18 year-old. Had some nice moves and was active on defense. He looks so much more in control compared to Goodwin.