Summer trades?

[JCSunsfan]

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/08/russell-westbrook-trade-heat-knicks-clippers-hornets/

"This is what a Super Max contract gets you:

2018-2019: $35.35 million
2019-2020: $38.17 million
2020-2021: $41.00 million
2021-2022: $43.84 million
2022-2023: $46.66 million (player option)

Westbrook turns 30 in November, and he’s had three surgeries on his right knee."

Not to mention, his style of play has not exactly led to the development of players around him. It's a hard pass for me on Westbrook. He brings a ton to the table, but he takes a ton away as well.

I realize these are arguments that have been debated ad nauseam. There are two types of people in the world: those who think Westbrook is the best and those who think he's just the worst. I'd just like to go on record as among the latter group.

How many Supermax contracts are there in the league presently? It seems few teams want to pay them. They trade out of them.

 

[Mainstreet]

No thanks on Westbrook. His salary and ball dominance is not the style of play I want for the Suns.

I want the Suns to have a good motion and passing much like the Jazz.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

How many Supermax contracts are there in the league presently? It seems few teams want to pay them. They trade out of them.

I believe it's 4.

Curry and Harden...okay; makes sense.

Westbrook...had to happen, but yikes.

And John Wall. Oh boy. Would not want to be a Wizards fan. He'll be 28 soon...

YEAR AGE BASE SALARY CAP HIT DEAD
2019-20

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28 $37,800,000 $37,800,000 $169,344,000
2020-21

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29 $40,824,000 $40,824,000 $131,544,000
2021-22

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30 $43,848,000 $43,848,000 $90,720,000
2022-23

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31 $46,872,000 $46,872,000 $46,872,000
2023

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32 UFA

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/john-wall-6882/

 

[JCSunsfan]

I believe it's 4.

Curry and Harden...okay; makes sense.

Westbrook...had to happen, but yikes.

And John Wall. Oh boy. Would not want to be a Wizards fan. He'll be 28 soon...

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2019-20

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28 $37,800,000 $37,800,000 $169,344,000
2020-21

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29 $40,824,000 $40,824,000 $131,544,000
2021-22

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30 $43,848,000 $43,848,000 $90,720,000
2022-23

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31 $46,872,000 $46,872,000 $46,872,000
2023

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32 UFA

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/john-wall-6882/

I am wondering if the Spurs not wanting to pay the supermax is behind the Kahwi stuff. I get offering Booker a max. But when the time comes for a supermax, he has to have added some significant stuff to his game.

 

[Mainstreet]

So in this proposed trade the Heat trade Dragic to the Suns and that 2021 pick going back to the Heat looks very valuable.

Even more so if they find a trade partner for Whiteside.

The Suns get an older Dragic and the Heat get their unprotected 2021 draft pick in return which was the plum of the Dragic trade.

No thanks.

https://allucanheat.com/2018/05/05/miami-heat-trade-dragic-suns/

 

[Folster]

CJ McCollum anyone? Having him next to Booker sharing ball handling duties in a motion offense would be killer.

McCollum
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Ayton

 

[Finito]

CJ McCollum anyone? Having him next to Booker sharing ball handling duties in a motion offense would killer.

McCollum
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Ayton

In a heart beat id take him or Lillard in a heart beat.

 

[WildBB]

Will Kawai be available and would SA even dream of moving him in conference to an arch enemy?

 

[devilalum]

Will Kawai be available and would SA even dream of moving him in conference to an arch enemy?

Spurs don’t view Suns as an arch enemy. If the Spurs trade Leonard they’re gonna want a ridiculous return.


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[devilalum]

Blazers, Raptors and maybe 2 or 3 other teams are gonna blow up their rosters this summer. Should be a sweet deal out there with all the competition and various issues involved.


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[AzStevenCal]

Spurs don’t view Suns as an arch enemy. If the Spurs trade Leonard they’re gonna want a ridiculous return.

Yeah, we're nobody's arch enemy anymore, if we ever were. And sure, the Spurs are going to want as much as they can get. But it remains to be seen just how much that will be though as they are far from being in the driver's seat.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah, we're nobody's arch enemy anymore, if we ever were. And sure, the Spurs are going to want as much as they can get. But it remains to be seen just how much that will be though as they are far from being in the driver's seat.

Seems like lately the price for the Suns is higher than it is for other teams. GMs expect a sweet deal when the Suns come knockin’.


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[AzStevenCal]

Seems like lately the price for the Suns is higher than it is for other teams. GMs expect a sweet deal when the Suns come knockin’.

If so, I think it's for the same reason that Ainge made a similar comment about his pursuit of trade partners. They all wanted more from his war chest than they could demand from teams not stockpiled with young talent and future draft picks.

 

[devilalum]

If so, I think it's for the same reason that Ainge made a similar comment about his pursuit of trade partners. They all wanted more from his war chest than they could demand from teams not stockpiled with young talent and future draft picks.

Whatever the reason the fact that there will be lots of teams looking to move quality players this summer should help.


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[Hoop Head]

Spurs don’t view Suns as an arch enemy. If the Spurs trade Leonard they’re gonna want a ridiculous return.


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Spurs don't view us as an enemy but most Kawhi trades I've read that mention multiple destinations for him note they don't want to trade him in the West and face him in the playoffs. The only team I've read specifically that they wouldn't trade him to another Texas team and they'd want more from a Western conference team than an Eastern team.

 

[WildBB]

Spurs don't view us as an enemy but most Kawhi trades I've read that mention multiple destinations for him note they don't want to trade him in the West and face him in the playoffs. The only team I've read specifically that they wouldn't trade him to another Texas team and they'd want more from a Western conference team than an Eastern team.

Makes sense. We have young taent AND picks.

 

[WildBB]

Spurs don’t view Suns as an arch enemy. If the Spurs trade Leonard they’re gonna want a ridiculous return.


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Oh, but we could be again.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

CJ McCollum anyone? Having him next to Booker sharing ball handling duties in a motion offense would be killer.

McCollum
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Ayton

Offensively it would be fun. Defensively, it would be a freaking nightmare.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Can Kahwi play pg?

https://www.poundingtherock.com/201...s-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-point-guard

 

[SirStefan32]

Can Kahwi play pg?

https://www.poundingtherock.com/201...s-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-point-guard

So, I think he can play PG, but there is a difference between being able to play PG amd being a PG. I always say that I am not a bassist. I can play bass, but it's obvious I am not a basist, but a guitar player who can play bass. I think the same is the case in basketball.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, I think he can play PG, but there is a difference between being able to play PG amd being a PG. I always say that I am not a bassist. I can play bass, but it's obvious I am not a basist, but a guitar player who can play bass. I think the same is the case in basketball.

Thats exactly the same thing I used to say about Harden, until DAntoni made him a pg.

 

[elindholm]

There are very few true PGs left in the league. I'm wondering whether the position is becoming obsolete. The top twelve players in assists per game this season (among those with at least 50 games played, which excludes Wall) were

Westbrook
James
Harden
Rondo
Simmons
Paul
Draymond Green
Ball
Teague
Lowry
Lillard
Dinwiddie

That list includes at least two players who can't be considered PGs at all (James and Green); at least two for whom calling them PGs is something of a reach (Harden and Simmons); at least two who, because they score so much, might be more accurately called "lead guards" (Westbrook and Lillard); and at least two who have such severe shooting limitations that, at least at this stage in their careers, can't properly be considered offensive engines (Ball and Dinwiddie).

The Suns need someone who can break opponents down off the dribble, passes decisively and accurately, makes correct decisions, pushes the ball on the break, sees the floor well, and can defend quick guards on the other end. That person doesn't have to be a "point guard" necessarily.

 

[BC867]

The Suns need someone who can break opponents down off the dribble, passes decisively and accurately, makes correct decisions, pushes the ball on the break, sees the floor well, and can defend quick guards on the other end. That person doesn't have to be a "point guard" necessarily.

Isn't that the definition of a Point Guard? Out of curiosity, do you think that Doncic fits it?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Isn't that the definition of a Point Guard? Out of curiosity, do you think that Doncic fits it?

It is somewhat. Doncic will have significant difficulty defending quicker guards on the other end.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It is somewhat. Doncic will have significant difficulty defending quicker guards on the other end.

I also worry with Doncic that he won’t have the wheels to beat quicker smaller guards off the dribble. Simmons has a quick first step and he can post. For Doncic to be a top notch distributor, if he legit plays the one, it would behoove him to develop a post game so he could use his height to advantage, much the way Magic did during his heyday.