Summer trades?

[SirStefan32]

This is why Bender has some significant trade value. Its because he has shown ability to hit the three, and be a mobile effective defender. He has that ability. Most coaches, if they see that, believe they can bring it out more consistently. That skill set is really really valuable right now. Its about his potential, not his present consistent output.

What I was really impressed by was his rebounding near the end of the season. I swear that he had five or six games where he averaged double-figures. He also showed the ability to put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop. Granted, he showed that once every three or four games, but it's something.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What I was really impressed by was his rebounding near the end of the season. I swear that he had five or six games where he averaged double-figures. He also showed the ability to put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop. Granted, he showed that once every three or four games, but it's something.

Bender has a collection of skills that all told should add up to a very good basketball player. But for some reason, his actual play is a long ways from what we'd expect even from a very young player. I have hope for both him and Chriss but I have zero expectations at this point.

 

[elindholm]

What I was really impressed by was his rebounding near the end of the season. I swear that he had five or six games where he averaged double-figures. He also showed the ability to put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop. Granted, he showed that once every three or four games, but it's something.

He averaged 13 and 10 over the last five games of the season, on good shooting percentages. It's an extremely small sample size, but if the pro-Benders want something to hang their hat on, it was a legitimately good run.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Man... if Bender just ended up an okay role playing stretch 4, he’d be such a perfect compliment to Ayton and Jackson as your guys up front.

That team would have really good/versatile size with 6’8/6’11/7’1 forward/center combo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man... if Bender just ended up an okay role playing stretch 4, he’d be such a perfect compliment to Ayton and Jackson as your guys up front.

That team would have really good/versatile size with 6’8/6’11/7’1 forward/center combo.

Who is 6’11? Ayton and bender are both 7 footers

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who is 6’11? Ayton and bender are both 7 footers

I thought bender was 6’11 and Ayton was 7’1.

Either way, same difference. It’s big versatile size up front, which is something we’ve never had and they’re both good enough athletes with defined skills sets that fit in today’s NBA because it’s not two lumbering dudes down low.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought bender was 6’11 and Ayton was 7’1.

Either way, same difference. It’s big versatile size up front, which is something we’ve never had and they’re both good enough athletes with defined skills sets that fit in today’s NBA because it’s not two lumbering dudes down low.

Did
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Bender
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[elindholm]

If you project both Bender and Chriss to develop what little potential they've shown so far, Chriss is a better fit at PF alongside Ayton than Bender would be. Bender is a slightly better shooter so far, so he'd get the advantage in floor spacing, but Chriss is a better defender and moves more without the ball. Neither one is there yet, and maybe it's possible that Bender gets there while Chriss doesn't. But the one to hope for, if you're being greedy, is Chriss.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did
You
Just
Say
Bender
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“Good enough athlete”
????

Yeah. I don't think Bender's a complete stiff. I think he's much more just a wimp.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah, I think Bender is plenty athletic, he just is a wimp.

 

[BC867]

Granted, he showed that once every three or four games, but it's something.

With Ayton on the horizon, isn't this finally time for the Suns and their fans to rise above this losing mentality?

"He showed that once every three or four games, but it's something." is hardly the formula for success. And as Cheese and Phrazbit just said, Bender (has played like) a wimp.

C'mom, Stef. Chin up! Let's root for a new Suns era.

 

[SirStefan32]

With Ayton on the horizon, isn't this finally time for the Suns and their fans to rise above this losing mentality?

"He showed that once every three or four games, but it's something." is hardly the formula for success. And as Cheese and Phrazbit just said, Bender (has played like) a wimp.

C'mom, Stef. Chin up! Let's root for a new Suns era.

When someone is 19 or 20, it's not a losing mentality to point out things they do really well occasionally, and doing something well every few games CAN be a formula to success. It's the first step- showing the ability to do something. Next step is being more consistent.

 

[BC867]

When someone is 19 or 20, it's not a losing mentality to point out things they do really well occasionally, and doing something well every few games CAN be a formula to success. It's the first step- showing the ability to do something. Next step is being more consistent.

I understand, but after eight seasons of missing the playoffs, I just think we need to be more proactive and less patient/hopeful. Especially when his drive/ambition is in question, reflecting inherent personality.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I understand, but after eight seasons of missing the playoffs, I just think we need to be more proactive and less patient/hopeful. Especially when his drive/ambition is in question, reflecting inherent personality.

Trying to quick fix this rebuild out of a lack of patience just dooms us to mediocrity (once we get there) IMO. It can be a challenge knowing when to draw the line on youth but I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where we can just give up on the guys who aren't there yet. Bigs often take longer and Chriss and Bender are still young enough to be in college.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I understand, but after eight seasons of missing the playoffs, I just think we need to be more proactive and less patient/hopeful. Especially when his drive/ambition is in question, reflecting inherent personality.

Less patient, is impatient and if you are impatient, you should not be drafting 18 year olds.

 

[pokerface]

Yeah. I don't think Bender's a complete stiff. I think he's much more just a wimp.

 

[SirStefan32]

I understand, but after eight seasons of missing the playoffs, I just think we need to be more proactive and less patient/hopeful. Especially when his drive/ambition is in question, reflecting inherent personality.

Eight years of missing the playoffs and Bender (and Chris, for that matter) are two completely separate issues. Being less patient is a recipe to disaster. They cost next to nothing, they are very young. There is zero dowside to being patient with them. There is zero reward to not being patient with them.

 

[pokerface]

Eight years of missing the playoffs and Bender (and Chris, for that matter) are two completely separate issues. Being less patient is a recipe to disaster. They cost next to nothing, they are very young. There is zero dowside to being patient with them. There is zero reward to not being patient with them.

Yeah their trade value is neutral. They still have potential upside. Plus playing with a new coach/teammates could have a positive effect on them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trying to quick fix this rebuild out of a lack of patience just dooms us to mediocrity (once we get there) IMO. It can be a challenge knowing when to draw the line on youth but I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where we can just give up on the guys who aren't there yet. Bigs often take longer and Chriss and Bender are still young enough to be in college.

Totally agree. Can't press the fast forward button when we've just FINALLY gotten a chance to rebuild with the right pieces.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The rare moment when Ouchie, Cheese, AzSteve, Stef, Pokerface, Phrazbit and JC ALL agree.

I'd like the board to take a moment of silence just to appreciate the last ten posts.

 

[BC867]

Eight years of missing the playoffs and Bender (and Chris, for that matter) are two completely separate issues. Being less patient is a recipe to disaster. They cost next to nothing, they are very young. There is zero dowside to being patient with them. There is zero reward to not being patient with them.

Actually there is a reward for doing better than Bender or Chriss (who were drafted together to compete with each other, a bad idea which has not worked out).

They are blocking the way for a solid Power Forward to complement the addition of Ayton. This should not be about what is best for Bender or Chriss. We need what is best for the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Actually there is a reward for doing better than Bender or Chriss (who were drafted together to compete with each other, a bad idea which has not worked out).

They are blocking the way for a solid Power Forward to complement the addition of Ayton. This should not be about what is best for Bender or Chriss. We need what is best for the Suns.

Neither player has even turned 21 yet. The average NBA player hits his stride around 26, giving up on them now is shortsighted IMO. Dumping them thereby creating a void at Power Forward won't instantly make us better.

I think we have a better chance of developing one of them than we do of finding a power forward elsewhere. But if we come across a quality power forward, then perhaps it will be time to jettison one or both of them.

 

[devilalum]

It won't take 1 to get Lillard. The Blazers had a meeting with him last year because he wasn't happy and now I imagine it's worse.

Sounds good to me. Draft Ayton and trade anything except JJ and Booker for Lillard and the rebuild is over.

Fill out the roster with the right supporting parts and let them develop.


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[Cheesebeef]

Sounds good to me. Draft Ayton and trade anything except JJ and Booker for Lillard and the rebuild is over.

Fill out the roster with the right supporting parts and let them develop.


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Hmmm... I'd actually be tempted to trade Booker for Lillard straight up. A Lillard/Jackson/Ayton big three is probably better than the one with Booker... no matter how much I love him.

 

[devilalum]

Booker tweeted a pic of KAT wearing a Booker jersey...


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