Suns 2019 GM/Front Office Search

[1Sun]

Also, the Suns have gone through some stretches of playing legitimately good team defense, in spite of having a very young roster of players who, for the most part, are not good individual defenders. That's quite remarkable, and doesn't happen without effective coaching. It may be fair to conclude that Kokoskov's weaknesses outweigh his strengths and that he doesn't have what it takes, but he definitely shows flashes of real coaching skill, rare though they may be.

Even a blind squirrel...

 

[sdscard4]

Even with the 4-5 game win streak and the 6 of 8 whatever it was shows just how bad our record is. It's horrible as it is. This is a reflection of poor coaching period. Candy coat it all you want. Cherry pick it to death. I believe a better coach would have got more out of this team. At least up there with Dallas and Memphis to be dead last in our conference by what 11 games? That's pathetic

 

[Hoop Head]

Even with the 4-5 game win streak and the 6 of 8 whatever it was shows just how bad our record is. It's horrible as it is. This is a reflection of poor coaching period. Candy coat it all you want. Cherry pick it to death. I believe a better coach would have got more out of this team. At least up there with Dallas and Memphis to be dead last in our conference by what 11 games? That's pathetic

Weren't you rooting for the team to tank the other day? I could be wrong, if I am I apologize, but I really don't understand how someone can call for losses one day and then get mad about the record the next. I know some in the "Fire Igor" group were talking about tanking the other day.

Should the Suns have been better than they were this year? Perhaps, but with the constant injuries suffered by key players this year it's not a surprise their record is what it is. We don't have a lot of NBA talent on the roster and that forced Igor to play players out of position nightly and when that didn't work he got the blame despite having no other options.

He hasn't been perfect but I think this season had way too much happening outside of the play on the court that most coaches would have struggled to produce much more with this team. Even if they did, it wouldn't surprise me if people blamed them for killing our odds at Zion also. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. No head coach short of Popovich would have pleased a lot of people and I'm not sure if first year Greg Popovich would have pleased people. Igor actually comes from the same coaching tree as Pop, oddly enough, both being assistants to Larry Brown for their first taste of the NBA game. I'm not saying Igor will be Pop in 10-15 years but I am saying coaches take time to develop just like players.

 

[WildBB]

Even with the 4-5 game win streak and the 6 of 8 whatever it was shows just how bad our record is. It's horrible as it is. This is a reflection of poor coaching period. Candy coat it all you want. Cherry pick it to death. I believe a better coach would have got more out of this team. At least up there with Dallas and Memphis to be dead last in our conference by what 11 games? That's pathetic

Suns have equaled a healthy OKC squad's record for the month of March. Alot of that was the emergence of Oubre, but it's something, when they had nothing really to play for. They still wanted to prove that they were improving.

 

[sdscard4]

Weren't you rooting for the team to tank the other day? I could be wrong, if I am I apologize, but I really don't understand how someone can call for losses one day and then get mad about the record the next. I know some in the "Fire Igor" group were talking about tanking the other day.

Should the Suns have been better than they were this year? Perhaps, but with the constant injuries suffered by key players this year it's not a surprise their record is what it is. We don't have a lot of NBA talent on the roster and that forced Igor to play players out of position nightly and when that didn't work he got the blame despite having no other options.

He hasn't been perfect but I think this season had way too much happening outside of the play on the court that most coaches would have struggled to produce much more with this team. Even if they did, it wouldn't surprise me if people blamed them for killing our odds at Zion also. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. No head coach short of Popovich would have pleased a lot of people and I'm not sure if first year Greg Popovich would have pleased people. Igor actually comes from the same coaching tree as Pop, oddly enough, both being assistants to Larry Brown for their first taste of the NBA game. I'm not saying Igor will be Pop in 10-15 years but I am saying coaches take time to develop just like players.

I don't believe in tanking I want my team to win every game

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't believe in tanking I want my team to win every game

Well we're on the same page there. I find it's easier to deal with a loss if we're tanking but I can't find myself rooting for losses.

 

[Yuma]

I dont want to root for losses either with the new draft format. With what, 8 games left? I'd like to see as many wins as possible. However, with lacking the scoring punch of Oubre or TJ, that looks highly unlikely. I'd like to see Booker go off for the rest of the season. Maybe see if Jimmer can go 1-20 in the next game...

 

[BC867]

And what you continue to ignore is my repeated statement that Majerle is woefully underqualified, and I don't want him as head coach.

Just because I think Majerle is more capable and better qualified than Igor (which is about as low of a bar as can be set, in my opinion) doesn't mean I want him as the head coach.

I agree that Majerle is more capable and better qualified than Igor. But is not a qualified long term solution.

I brought up his name as a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration for someone to shake up the status quo of GM's and Head Coaches whom Sarver can bully.

 

[Chaplin]

I agree that Majerle is more capable and better qualified than Igor. But is not a qualified long term solution.

I brought up his name as a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration for someone to shake up the status quo of GM's and Head Coaches whom Sarver can bully.

You have yet to prove how Majerle is more capable or better qualified than Igor. Nothing you have said supports that opinion.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You have yet to prove how Majerle is more capable or better qualified than Igor. Nothing you have said supports that opinion.

Majerle is taller.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You have yet to prove how Majerle is more capable or better qualified than Igor. Nothing you have said supports that opinion.

Or even that he is more likely to stand up to Sarver, or even that Igor doesn’t actually stand up to Sarver.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Or even that he is more likely to stand up to Sarver, or even that Igor doesn’t actually stand up to Sarver.

I will give in on that one. When Gentry got fired, Majerle walked away. He could have stayed on, but he did not. Majerle does have guts. Not sure he would be better than Igor at all, but he has guts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I will give in on that one. When Gentry got fired, Majerle walked away. He could have stayed on, but he did not. Majerle does have guts. Not sure he would be better than Igor at all, but he has guts.

Uh that sounds more like walking away than standing up to.

 

[Yuma]

Majerle has laser eye surgery so he MAY have superior eyesight!

 

[SirStefan32]

Dan did speak out against what happened (Blanks firing Gentry and giving the job to Hunter.) If I remember correctly, he said he thought Turner should have gotten the job, and if he wasn't promoted, it should have been him or anyone over Hunter.

I still don't understand the "Standing up to Sarver" argument. Getting into a dick-measuring contest with the boss has never worked out for anyone. What's needed is someone who can reason with the boss and influence them in a positive way. That's how you get things done. When you get high up enough in any organization, your boss or bosses end up being unreasonable children. "Telling them like it is" never does any good. Being able to influence them is the way to go.

 

[sdscard4]

Majerle has done a great job at GCU . He had them competitive against good teams and wasn't afraid to schedule them. He also had them within one win of going to the dance the last 2 years....the only 2 years they were eligible. He was also an NBA assistant who had guts and showed emotion. I'd think twice before I just assume Igor is so much more qualified .I actually find him better suited to coach our team his strongest quality is teaching younger players. Who better to preach about hustle and unity then Thunder Dan

 

[BC867]

You have yet to prove how Majerle is more capable or better qualified than Igor. Nothing you have said supports that opinion.

-- Dan has current experience leading young players. The Suns are a young team. It looks like Igor might do better as a maintainer on an established team.

-- Igor has shown that he is very slow to react to situations and his X's and O's have not been impressive.

-- As Steve said, Majerle is taller. Seriously, as a former NBA player, Thunder Dan knows first hand what goes through the heads of NBA players.

-- Personality wise, Majerle is outgoing. Igor is shy. This young Suns team needs some rah-rah leadership.

Those are Majerle's attributes. And Igor's shortcomings.

Which is why I think that, if it came down to one or the other, specifically, Majerle offers more. That is not to say that either is the ideal candidate.

Please, Chap, respond with your specific job search recruiting criteria.

 

[Chaplin]

-- Dan has current experience leading young players. The Suns are a young team. It looks like Igor might do better as a maintainer on an established team.

-- Igor has shown that he is very slow to react to situations and his X's and O's have not been impressive.

-- As Steve said, Majerle is taller. Seriously, as a former NBA player, Thunder Dan knows first hand what goes through the heads of NBA players.

-- Personality wise, Majerle is outgoing. Igor is shy. This young Suns team needs some rah-rah leadership.

Those are Majerle's attributes. And Igor's shortcomings.

Which is why I think that, if it came down to one or the other, specifically, Majerle offers more. That is not to say that either is the ideal candidate.

Please, Chap, respond with your specific job search recruiting criteria.

Coaching hundreds of professionals over a long and successful career. That beats out every one of your reasons.

Players don’t always make good coaches. Talk about a crapshoot.

 

[BC867]

Dan did speak out against what happened (Blanks firing Gentry and giving the job to Hunter.) If I remember correctly, he said he thought Turner should have gotten the job, and if he wasn't promoted, it should have been him or anyone over Hunter.

I still don't understand the "Standing up to Sarver" argument. Getting into a dick-measuring contest with the boss has never worked out for anyone. What's needed is someone who can reason with the boss and influence them in a positive way. That's how you get things done. When you get high up enough in any organization, your boss or bosses end up being unreasonable children. "Telling them like it is" never does any good. Being able to influence them is the way to go.

Sarver has shown that he is beyond the "influence him" stage. His threat to move our Suns to Las Vegas or Seattle (despite the attempt at damage control that followed) makes that clear.

The only way for him to back off is to be intimidated. We'll see if he follows through on hiring a President of Basketball Operations. And giving him the power to make the basketball decisions.

The longer that drags on, the greater the chance that nothing will change.

 

[BC867]

Coaching hundreds of professionals over a long and successful career. That beats out every one of your reasons.

Players don’t always make good coaches. Talk about a crapshoot.

It is not about the generalization of what players "don't", it is about what Igor has or has not accomplished this season. His performance as NBA Head Coach is disappointing to say the least.

I didn't say that players always make good coaches. I said that, of the two, Majerle's on-court experience with NBA players is a plus. Igor's weak leadership ability is a minus.

 

[Chaplin]

It is not about the generalization of what players "don't", it is about what Igor has or has not accomplished this season. His performance as NBA Head Coach is disappointing to say the least.

I didn't say that players always make good coaches. I said that, of the two, Majerle's on-court experience with NBA players is a plus. Igor's weak leadership ability is a minus.

Maybe this is remnants of your superiority complex over those of us not in Phoenix and anyone who hasn’t some connection to the Suns. Dan Majerle. LOL

Igor has more experience with professional NBA players than Majerle does.

 

[BC867]

Maybe this is remnants of your superiority complex over those of us not in Phoenix and anyone who hasn’t some connection to the Suns. Dan Majerle. LOL

Igor has more experience with professional NBA players than Majerle does.

There you go again, using a personal attack to win a debate.

My comments about being in Phoenix were not about superiority. I'm sorry you took it that way.

I was sharing that any negative publicity about Phoenix is not only about the Suns, but my community as well.

Especially when Sarver threatened to move our team out of State. Yes, I took that personally.

And pointed out how whether the Suns play in Las Vegas or Phoenix does not make a difference to fans in California as it does in Phoenix.

 

[Hoop Head]

Sarver has shown that he is beyond the "influence him" stage. His threat to move our Suns to Las Vegas or Seattle (despite the attempt at damage control that followed) makes that clear.

It was a matter of time before you brought up something that was false and you didn't disappoint.

Now you want to complain people are personally attacking you for using something that's been proven false? You are delusional. Whenever your argument falls apart you claim people are personally attacking you.

 

[Hoop Head]

And pointed out how whether the Suns play in Las Vegas or Phoenix does not make a difference to fans in California as it does in Phoenix.

If you don't go attend games in Phoenix, why does it matter to you? You go to just as many Suns games as any of the California fans. Quit trying to paint yourself as a victim.

 

[sdscard4]

Majerle was an NBA player 1st hand and an all star. Trying to make it seem like Igor knows more about the NBA than a guy who actually was in it is nonsense. Igor may have a better international feel but him knowing more than a 15yr vet is laughable. Majerle has been in coaching 11 yrs not the 18 Igor has but as when Jerry hired him he said young men will listen to him he's a leader. Him playing in the NBA and Olympics and World Championships is just even more icing on his cake. Would totally take Majerle over Igor