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Alright... can we just shut this conversation down?
Majerle isn't getting the job. Be it because he'd be among the least qualified coaching hires in history or because he ripped the ownership a few years back... either way, it isn't happening.
Lets move onto people who might actually get an interview.
Majerle isn't getting the job. Be it because he'd be among the least qualified coaching hires in history or because he ripped the ownership a few years back... either way, it isn't happening.
Lets move onto people who might actually get an interview.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
“To be intimidated” . . . oh boy . . . nothing good comes of that. You set an alpha against an alpha and you get massive destruction.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
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On which point you are 100% wrong.
I'd say 200% since Sarver didn't threaten that initially and the council member ended up coming out and apologizing for making that claim up. So BC is using something that never happened to knock fans who don't live in Phoenix.
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I think moving on from Kokoskov so quickly would be a mistake.
Fixing the point guard problem would do wonders for the Suns not to mention adding a power forward.
If I were throwing out a name to interview though for the head coaching position, Joe Prunty would be on my list.
Fixing the point guard problem would do wonders for the Suns not to mention adding a power forward.
If I were throwing out a name to interview though for the head coaching position, Joe Prunty would be on my list.
Krangodnzr
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Give Igor another year. The young players have shown some growth this year.
Listening to all of the smart former players and scouts that I have heard around the NBA talk about the Suns, they consistently say that the biggest problem with the Suns right now is how many young players they have on the roster. Players don't really start to hit their peak until they are 25 years old. I think the Suns just need to tweak and stay the course and they will be in good shape in a year or two.
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I'm okay with giving Igor another year so we can see what's what with an actual PG and a little more seasoning on these guys but I disagree that we've seen much growth at all from the young players. Outside a couple games a couple weeks ago, Ayton looks pretty much like the exact same guy who stepped on the floor and immediately put up 16/10. Bridges is a good defender but people seemed to notice that right off the bat and I've seen almost nothing from him growing from an offensive standpoint and Josh Jackson looks like he's taken a step back from the second half of last season. Those three guys' growth... or lack thereof... is the biggest contributing factor to why I haven't been impressed with Igor.
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Give Igor another year, unless Popovich wants to retire in Scottsdale....
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Some great coaches never played a minute of NBA ball. Gregg Popovich, Brad Stevens, Tom Thibodeau and Eric Spoelstra to name a few (and there are plenty of others that played in the NBA, but didn't have great or long careers). Also the NBA is far different now than what it was when Marjerly was last playing and even in the last few years that Majerly has been coaching college ball.
Also there should be no question about Igor from an Xs and Os standpoint because he is extremely effective at drawing up plays out of timeouts. His #1 issue is that he just hasn't had enough NBA quality talent on the roster to execute what he is trying to implement. In the few moments of actually being healthy we have seen some very good play from this team, but the team is so thin that any injuries to important players means we will struggle to even compete in games.
You're kidding, right? You really want another year of what we just had to endure???
We have seen zero growth from the young players. Ayton is exactly the same as he was when he entered the league, Bridges is worse, Melton and Okobo are significantly worse, and Jackson is worse. And before anyone accuses me of Igor-hate, the numbers bear all of this out.
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The support he gets is amazing. You can name anyone to replace him and it's. ..no he needs time....no he's better then so and so....unreal. hes the worst coach in the NBA. I hate to break it to ya but even when fully healthy we weren't good. We had 2 separate good weeks that's it. The rest of the season is quite embarrassing. But not the coaches fault. I've been saying since Dec...Corliss Williamson? Really that's who Igor brings in?
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Nobody is saying that "he should remain the coach no matter what". We are simply stating that there are far more factors to winning games than coaching on it's own. The people calling for his head and saying that he is terrible are making that judgment without enough evidence IMO. With the lack of overall talent, lack of veteran players and lack of even decent players at key positions it is just impossible to come to the firm conclusion that Igor is a bad coach.
I think any of us would gladly replace Igor if the coach he is being replaced with is a known good coach, but we just don't want to move on to yet another inexperienced or mediocre (at best) coach when we don't have a clear picture of whether or not Kokoskov is the problem. The one stretch of the season where we were relatively healthy and had half way decent PG play we won 6 of 9 games. I suspect that if we keep everything the way it is while adding talent to those key positions that we are lacking in than we will see a big jump from this team next year.
More likely, we will see the same regression or stagnation in development of all of our young players as we did this season.
Igor is not the only problem, but he is a big problem nonetheless.
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ARZ needs a GM and coach that command respect. Names that are respected around the league. It’s just sad to see Sarver in a never ending competition with Dolan for the title of Worst NBA Owner.
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It was not long ago the Suns were beating the likes of the Bucks and Warriors.
Actually the Suns losses tell us what the Suns need to win and it is not a head coach.
Add Oubre and Johnson back to the active roster, the Suns would be winning some games.
Add a starting point guard to the Suns and the improvement would be even more dramatic.
Actually the Suns losses tell us what the Suns need to win and it is not a head coach.
Add Oubre and Johnson back to the active roster, the Suns would be winning some games.
Add a starting point guard to the Suns and the improvement would be even more dramatic.
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Dan Gilbert and Glen Taylor say hold that bus, we'll be right there. But if you want a two owner race, I'd say Sarver trails only Dolan for most disliked in the NBA. Of course, Sarver is a distant second in that competition although it's no credit to Robert, it's directly tied to the size of markets.
One isolated week of good play during two isolated parts of the season do not a season make, particularly when the four rookies and our second year lottery pick have all steadily regressed, or at best (in Ayton's case) stagnated.
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Perhaps you missed my point. The Suns were playing well as a team when they lost Johnson and Oubre to injury.
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Cherry picking games doesn't make your case. I could have done this for you.
This wasn't cherry picked. It was the Suns' last game with Johnson and Oubre healthy, and it was a blowout home loss to a mediocre opponent.
Categorically refutes your statement that "[t]he Suns were playing well as a team when they lost Johnson and Oubre to injury".
Clearly, they were not.
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We need a PG and a new coaching staff. Sadly just adding a PG is what 30 wins? If we're lucky. Add a new staff with a emphasis on Ayton and D I believe we can be middle of pack. We seen what our D can do. Sadly I think the staff had no play in that. It was Oubre and Johnson who sparked that
BC867
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I respect your opinion, but not everyone shares this one. To recap previous posts . . .
Igor has shown himself to be too mild mannered to lead a young team. He might (or might not) be better overseeing a veteran team.
He is slow to react to situations, if at all. His X's and O's have been disappointing. He stubbornly clings to his European Head Coach approach.
Except for a couple of players who show self-motivation, most of the young players have regressed throughout the season.
His stationing Ayton at the 3-point line to set picks all season long, even though it has reduced his effectiveness, is enough of a reason to say that a large part of the problem is the Head Coach.
And, evidently, Igor has not excelled at making up for an unbalanced roster with no Point Guard and no Power Forward. It is not his fault, but it is his responsibility.
It takes one who can think outside the box but, as we've seen, Igor has not. 'Nice guy, but not the person to lead this team. It is a bad fit!
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