Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Phrazbit]

Well that is ridiculous.

He is a good scorer. He will still average 25 ppg on any team he is the primary option. That certainly makes him top 100.

I get Suns fans are angry at him because he has not produced like we hoped, but our expectations were not reasonable. There is no team in history that had 3 guys averaging 25 a night. There just aren't enough possessions in a game for that to happen.

In retrospect the trade was just a bad idea. We knew he was not a good defender or rebounder, or a great spot up shooter. Paying 50 million a year for him to effectively be a role player just makes no sense - because his one elite skill is being able to ISO better than an average player, and we already had 2 guys better than him at that.

He hasn't averaged 25 in 4 years, he barely plays half the games. Here, on a mediocre team his impact is hardly noticeable, on a bad team he was averaging 22 while his team lost 3 out of 4 games. Factor his production with how much time he misses and he is not even close to a top 20 sg.

I think he is WELL outside of the top 100 right now.

 

[1tinsoldier]

your booker hater thread not doing so good huh?

how about answering the question?

 

[Proximo]

He hasn't averaged 25 in 4 years, he barely plays half the games. Here, on a mediocre team his impact is hardly noticeable, on a bad team he was averaging 22 while his team lost 3 out of 4 games. Factor his production with how much time he misses and he is not even close to a top 20 sg.

I think he is WELL outside of the top 100 right now.

Well, I very much disagree.

Here is the ringers #97- Cariss levert
#98- Dillon brooks
#99- Chris paul
#100 - Russell westbrook

They have Beal ranked #82

You can’t seriously tell me you think any of 97-100 are better than Beal. They just aren’t.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, I very much disagree.

Here is the ringers #97- Cariss levert
#98- Dillon brooks
#99- Chris paul
#100 - Russell westbrook

They have Beal ranked #82

You can’t seriously tell me you think any of 97-100 are better than Beal. They just aren’t.

I don’t know how you definitively rank Beal any higher than Westbrook. Beal’s slightly better in ppg, while worse in assists, rebounds and reliability.

And anyone even in the conversation with CP3 and Dillan Brooks is a guy at this point. Nothing more, nothing less. And certainly not a 25 ppg player.

 

[Proximo]

I don’t know how you definitively rank Beal any higher than Westbrook. Beal’s slightly better in ppg, while worse in assists, rebounds and reliability.

And anyone even in the conversation with CP3 and Dillan Brooks is a guy at this point. Nothing more, nothing less. And certainly not a 25 ppg player.

I didn’t put him in that conversation - you did.

Again you can’t seem to grasp situation makes all the difference. Westbrook looked like he belonged in china instead of the nba when he was on the lakers, but now when he is allowed to run wild in Denver he looks decent again.

Put Beal back on a team where he is the number one option instead of some guy that has to hang out in the corner all game and he will look much better too. Judging a player on efficiency is much better than total stats as long as they are capable of being aggressive and he is.

 

[BirdGangThing]

you'd think all the trade talk and losing the starter spot would inspire beal to score more but he's still deferring to players not named kd or book

thing is he hasn't stepped his game up even tho bud has limited the "big 3's" minutes together - beal has been sharing the court with either of or book - and we still haven't seen the aggressiveness needed to justify $30 million much less $50

 

[Phrazbit]

Well, I very much disagree.

Here is the ringers #97- Cariss levert
#98- Dillon brooks
#99- Chris paul
#100 - Russell westbrook

They have Beal ranked #82

You can’t seriously tell me you think any of 97-100 are better than Beal. They just aren’t.

I'd absolutely put Paul and Brooks above him, their splits blow him out of the water and they play in far more games.

I just looked up that list and they have a ton of players that are unquestionably better listed behind him, Turner, Reaves, Dort, Lively, Hunter, Matherin, McDaniels, all listed lower than him. I think the national press is just a bit behind the times with how badly he has fallen off.

When you factor in how often he is hurt, his brings very little to the table.

People are hoping we can attach 3 first to him and send him to Miami but his play and contract is so bad that the Heat have zero interest, they'd rather let Butler serve a season long suspension... and they'd be right.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I didn’t put him in that conversation - you did.

Are you okay? I didn’t bring the ringers top 100 list. YOU DID which showed him nowhere near top 50, ranking him at 82 amongst a list of dudes below him that weren’t all that much worse.

Again, YOU brought up that Ringers list. You LITERALLY put him in the conversation with guys not close to the top 50. Weird.

Again you can’t seem to grasp situation makes all the difference.

Lol… the guy who’s saying Beal could score 25 ppg is telling others they can’t grasp the situation. Okay.

Westbrook looked like he belonged in china instead of the nba when he was on the lakers, but now when he is allowed to run wild in Denver he looks decent again.

Westbrook also looked decent with the Clippers. He looked bad at one stop and otherwise has looked like himself everywhere else.

Put Beal back on a team where he is the number one option instead of some guy that has to hang out in the corner all game and he will look much better too. Judging a player on efficiency is much better than total stats as long as they are capable of being aggressive and he is.

Again, he wasn’t even averaging 25 with NO ONE on the team with him 3 years ago AND he pathologically can’t stay healthy. I mean, there is literally nothing that backs up that he could be a 25 ppg player anymore and no one in the NBA in their right mind would believe so otherwise he wouldn’t be almost impossible to trade, even with the NTC.

 

[Phrazbit]

Trade Durant to Houston, get a chunk of our picks back (this year's especially), unless someone blows you away, keep Booker, trade Allen, O'Neale, whoever else you can move.

Whatever solid players are left, sit them down with made up injuries. Yank the rug out from under this team.

Tank, tank hard.




I know we won't do it though... that stupid 2031 draft pick trade shows how locked in they are to this insanity. That trade was so dumb... taking one really good asset and splitting into 3 horrible ones... bravo.

 

[BirdGangThing]

lakers get luka and we lose to ayton - twice - whatta couple days

 

[Superbone]

lakers get luka and we lose to ayton - twice - whatta couple days

Are we having fun yet?

 

[Yuma]

Today is Tuesday. No trade of any kind yet. Clock is ticking.....

 

[95pro]

Least we get to see our 18M center is healthy now and on the bench.

Sometimes its a 50M asset who gets to ride the bench. Thankfully they're healthy, oh wait we are still losing.

 

[Folster]

Time for Ishbia and JJ to recognize this team doesn't have it. Trade Durant.

 

[BirdGangThing]

major changes expected today or tomorrow

 

[BirdGangThing]

im more bitter this morning than last night - the suckiness festering - back to back against the blazers says it all

 

[Covert Rain]

Blow it up. I am full in on it now. There is no saving this team. I don't want Butler. I know it's not popular and I know it won't happen but this should include Book. If you are not trading Book you really are not blowing it up. You are just retooling....AGAIN.

Ever since our Finals fade this team has had the persona of fading during adversity. Booker is a constant. No, I am not blaming it all on Book by any stretch but this team needs an enema not a retool. Besides, you are now going to have to get another star better than Book or what is the point? How exactly do you do that now?

Also, new reports are now that Beal will not accept a trade anywhere. He doesn't want to uproot his family again. So, looks like we are stuck with Beal through the duration of that contract. We still have dead weight with Nurk. We didn't take advantage of Tyus and evidently don't feel putting in the guy we traded for rebounding in the game when we need rebounding.

This team has root rot. Blow it all up.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This team is beyond cooked. There is just zero chance that any move around the margins will make a significant difference at this point. They're not even close to contending. To stretch out this misery any longer will just be a punishment. Get rid of KD and move on.

 

[Carolinacacti]

lakers get luka and we lose to ayton - twice - whatta couple days

Worse then the Cardinals losing to the Sea Hawks twice

 

[AzStevenCal]

Blow it up. I am full in on it now. There is no saving this team. I don't want Butler. I know it's not popular and I know it won't happen but this should include Book. If you are not trading Book you really are not blowing it up. You are just retooling....AGAIN.

Ever since our Finals fade this team has had the persona of fading during adversity. Booker is a constant. No, I am not blaming it all on Book by any stretch but this team needs an enema not a retool. Besides, you are now going to have to get another star better than Book or what is the point? How exactly do you do that now?

Also, new reports are now that Beal will not accept a trade anywhere. He doesn't want to uproot his family again. So, looks like we are stuck with Beal through the duration of that contract. We still have dead weight with Nurk. We didn't take advantage of Tyus and evidently don't feel putting in the guy we traded for rebounding in the game when we need rebounding.

This team has root rot. Blow it all up.

Most of us that have been pushing for the blow it up option for months now have also been pushing for a Devin trade. Not all of us hate the guy but we just don't need him if we're starting over. And our startover isn't much of a startover without the assets we can get from a Booker trade.

 

[BirdGangThing]

we gotta trade 1 of the big 3 today - possibly 2 - without acquiring jimmy gets what jimmy wants butler

nothing but draft picks and young talent - like barely able to enter a freakin bar young

ish-bia went to the butcher instead of the farm - he sold our previous harvests - went to the butcher and bought nothing but over priced steak - which we already had

he didn't even go to the grocery store - there was no balanced diet in mind - because the ish-bia diet resembles the shat-kins diet

sell but sell high dammit cuz that how we bought -cashing in on book the day after becoming the all time leading scorer - it's ruthless - but better that than remain toothless - what happened to legendary? more like secondary

speaking of kd - it's been a pleasure - thx for the memories - nothing against you at all phx is just a pitfall - your greatness will never be in question

and bradley freakin beal - looks like we're going to be spending a lot of time together lol

as for the other moving parts - im dunn - dunn with everyone not named dunn - we're talking depressed will ferrell in his front yard selling everything he owns - that's where ish-bia should be mentally

i think bud is spoiled by the way - he can't understand why every center can't giannis on demand - while hitting the 3 - are you kidding me? losing to offensive rebounds by ayton with 4 centers sitting on your bench - that's not strategy that's stubborn af

anyways happy tuesday everyone and sorry for my big fat cup of suns cheer this morning

 

[Covert Rain]

Most of us that have been pushing for the blow it up option for months now have also been pushing for a Devin trade. Not all of us hate the guy but we just don't need him if we're starting over. And our startover isn't much of a startover without the assets we can get from a Booker trade.

Yeah I love Book but the organization is bigger than Book. I want to see a title before I leave this earth. I just don't see how the Suns get their hands on another #1 to play alongside Book if you trade KD. Book has had Chris Paul and now KD (two HOF's) and still not gotten it done. Granted they were late in their careers but the chances of getting a younger #1 to play with Book is about zero.

 

[Covert Rain]

By the way I would like to move on from James Jones as well. I mean I was listening to a show this morning and they were talking about Beal. I was listening to an ESPN guy and he said across the NBA teams felt Beal's contract was considered one of the worst in the NBA. Yet we did that trade anyway. If you believe Ishbia, even though he is involved, he did say that he will lean on Jones for decisions. We need changes.