Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[BirdGangThing]

dunn³

 

[BirdGangThing]

dunn was on the second rotation who came and went but dunn is still out there with the starters now

 

[BirdGangThing]

lol dunn just fouled the hell out of kd to prevent kd from winning the game - no call

 

[Mainstreet]

Ryan Dunn says his ankle feels good. The Suns need his energy.

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[Hoop Head]

Ryan Dunn says his ankle feels good. The Suns need his energy.

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Dunn looked good today, and on Friday. The new format for the All-Star "game" is different but I like it so far. It's competitive and I'm glad Dunn had this learning experience.

Hopefully he's healthy going forward and finishes the season like he started.

 

[Carolinacacti]

It's crunch time for the Suns. Every game counts, this board will have hope or more KD bashing

 

[Proximo]

I don't think the Suns are the team that limps into the playoffs. Really hope I'm wrong.

When I look at a team like the Mavericks, I see a team that should be in a state of collapse, yet they keep on winning. This is when I start to look at coaching.

Could the Suns have hired the wrong coach? Yes, absolutely. There is no rule where a team can't make two mistakes in a row.
Or perhaps Frank Vogel wasn't the problem. He coached the Suns to a 6th place finish in the West last season.

Make no mistake about it, though. There is something wrong with the Suns and the whole team needs to be rethought from the GM on down, especially the GM.

I don't want them to limp into the playoffs.

I don't want anything to possibly give Ishbia the idea that keeping KD is the way to go.

 

[Ronin]

Lied on? What is your deal? You are delusional. I said I thought you took issue with Tatum not winning the finals MVP. I was apparently wrong on that, sorry, but i also didnt state that factually. Now you want to act all butthurt?

You don't have to appreciate me, I don't care, but we have differing views on something and now you act immature. We had no issue last year when we made a friendly finals bet for an avatar pic but now "you don't appreciate me"? I know your issue but I also know you aren't mature enough to own up to it.

This isn’t a personal attack. IMHO but calling someone delusional and butt hurt is walking a fine line of what is/isn’t a personal attack.

So I’m asking nicely to cool it.

 

[Chaplin]

It's crunch time for the Suns. Every game counts, this board will have hope or more KD bashing

Won't matter what happens, KD bashing will continue no matter what. It's the state of the board nowadays.

 

[Yuma]

Won't matter what happens, KD bashing will continue no matter what. It's the state of the board nowadays.

At this point we could have prime Michael Jordan and guys would be hating.

 

[95pro]

Ryan Dunn says his ankle feels good. The Suns need his energy.

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I really wished the Rising Stars would have pushed Chucks team. But that would be embarrassing for Chucks team to lose and make a mockery even more out of these events.

 

[AzStevenCal]

At this point we could have prime Michael Jordan and guys would be hating.

Won't matter what happens, KD bashing will continue no matter what. It's the state of the board nowadays.

Oh come on, this is absurd. KD deserves both praise and criticism for his performance with this team. If you see it differently fine but it's highly insulting to just imply that we're all unreasonable haters for thinking otherwise. Sure there has been a little bashing but most of the comments have been fair critiques IMO. KD is our best individual player but he's nowhere near the player that went to GS. And even then he was nowhere near Michael Jordan in his prime.

 

[Superbone]

I don't want them to limp into the playoffs.

I don't want anything to possibly give Ishbia the idea that keeping KD is the way to go.

I don't think you have a whole lot to worry about based on what we've seen up to this point. I doubt they flip a switch. Our schedule from here on out is now one of the toughest.

 

[Chaplin]

Oh come on, this is absurd. KD deserves both praise and criticism for his performance with this team. If you see it differently fine but it's highly insulting to just imply that we're all unreasonable haters for thinking otherwise. Sure there has been a little bashing but most of the comments have been fair critiques IMO. KD is our best individual player but he's nowhere near the player that went to GS. And even then he was nowhere near Michael Jordan in his prime.

Point proven

 

[Mainstreet]

I really wished the Rising Stars would have pushed Chucks team. But that would be embarrassing for Chucks team to lose and make a mockery even more out of these events.

I didn't watch the NBA All-Star Weekend, but teams need to play to win, no matter if it would be embarrassing.

IMO, that is what is wrong with the games and a huge reason why I didn't watch.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't want them to limp into the playoffs.

I don't want anything to possibly give Ishbia the idea that keeping KD is the way to go.

The way the Suns are playing now, making the playoffs seems far-fetched.

It would take an astronomical change in attitude for it to happen, or teams start racing to the bottom for draft position.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The way the Suns are playing now, making the playoffs seems far-fetched.

It would take an astronomical change in attitude for it to happen, or teams start racing to the bottom for draft position.

I don't think the play-in game is all that out of reach for us but making it to one of the top 6 is highly unlikely. Obviously we need to get everyone healthy but I'd really like to see what this full team could do with Richards at center. Maybe it would just be the same old thing but I'd like to see it nonetheless.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think the play-in game is all that out of reach for us but making it to one of the top 6 is highly unlikely. Obviously we need to get everyone healthy but I'd really like to see what this full team could do with Richards at center. Maybe it would just be the same old thing but I'd like to see it nonetheless.

I agree, the Suns making the top 6 is highly unlikely, however, even making the top 10 seems remote unless other Western Conference teams decide that tanking is in their best interest.

Dallas should be losing yet they keep winning. Kudos to Jason Kidd.

The Suns have enough talent to move up, but I'm not seeing the desire or teamwork to get it done.

It's puzzling to me. This smacks of inadequate coaching or a poorly assembled roster, probably both. The Suns should be at least a .500 or above team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree, the Suns making the top 6 is highly unlikely, however, even making the top 10 seems remote unless other Western Conference teams decide that tanking is in their best interest.

Dallas should be losing yet they keep winning. Kudos to Jason Kidd.

The Suns have enough talent to move up, but I'm not seeing the desire or teamwork to get it done.

It's puzzling to me. This smacks of inadequate coaching or a poorly assembled roster, probably both. The Suns should be at least a .500 or above team.

It’s also a glaring lack of leadership on the floor from KD/Booker. The last two seasons are serious blights on their careers.

 

[Hoop Head]

This isn’t a personal attack. IMHO but calling someone delusional and butt hurt is walking a fine line of what is/isn’t a personal attack.

So I’m asking nicely to cool it.

I understand. If someone accuses me of smoking crack then I believe they're delusional. I don't see issue there. I can see the point regarding saying someone is butt hurt though, to an extent. Since I was attacked first I didn't see issue saying the attacker was butt hurt since they clearly have some issues causing them to lash out. I really don't understand why they decided to make me the target of their unwarranted vitriol but I'll take note.

Always appreciate you being a straight shooter and I'm sorry you got pulled into that situation.

 

[Hoop Head]

I agree, the Suns making the top 6 is highly unlikely, however, even making the top 10 seems remote unless other Western Conference teams decide that tanking is in their best interest.

Dallas should be losing yet they keep winning. Kudos to Jason Kidd.

The Suns have enough talent to move up, but I'm not seeing the desire or teamwork to get it done.

It's puzzling to me. This smacks of inadequate coaching or a poorly assembled roster, probably both. The Suns should be at least a .500 or above team.

I think the main issue with the coaching, which was likely the same as last year under Vogel, is that Budenholzer is incapable of creating a system now that would produce wins consistently. It's clear the players don't buy into what he wants as a whole. Some may play within the system all the time and others play within for half of their time on the floor but it takes all 5 to commit to it. The players aren't on the same page and I don't see how any coach could get them to align with each other regularly.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the main issue with the coaching, which was likely the same as last year under Vogel, is that Budenholzer is incapable of creating a system now that would produce wins consistently. It's clear the players don't buy into what he wants as a whole. Some may play within the system all the time and others play within for half of their time on the floor but it takes all 5 to commit to it. The players aren't on the same page and I don't see how any coach could get them to align with each other regularly.

I think it will take an outsider to come in and make the necessary changes to fix this mess.

IMO, it will require everything to be reevaluated from the GM, front office and the players.

Earlier I suggested someone like Bob Meyers formerly of the Warriors to do the job. Hopefully Mat Ishbia will listen.

 

[GatorAZ]

I think it will take an outsider to come in and make the necessary changes to fix this mess.

IMO, it will require everything to be reevaluated from the GM, front office and the players.

Earlier I suggested someone like Bob Meyers formerly of the Warriors to do the job. Hopefully Mat Ishbia will listen.

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Someone like Bob Myers is never happening because Ishbia isn’t giving up that much control. If Jones gets fired one of the underlings will get promoted.

 

[95pro]

I don't think the play-in game is all that out of reach for us but making it to one of the top 6 is highly unlikely. Obviously we need to get everyone healthy but I'd really like to see what this full team could do with Richards at center. Maybe it would just be the same old thing but I'd like to see it nonetheless.

I thought we did see everyone healthy with Richards for about two weeks? Or am i just severely mistaken that richards was with us for the little healthy-losing stretch.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I thought we did see everyone healthy with Richards for about two weeks? Or am i just severely mistaken that richards was with us for the little healthy-losing stretch.

I'm not sure. I know we had a very short stretch where everyone was available, I didn't think it lasted two weeks but I could be wrong.