Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Hoop Head]

James Jones needs to be gone for sure.

I'm thinking the Suns are looking for a way to buyout Beal and stretch his contract.

I saw some math on it, but I can't find it at the moment. The Suns may be looking for a creative way to do it.

A buyout would be so shortsighted. $20m+ against the cap for 5 years is asking for trouble. I know we don't have worthwhile picks in that time but still, it's a recipe for problems.

 

[Mainstreet]

A buyout would be so shortsighted. $20m+ against the cap for 5 years is asking for trouble. I know we don't have worthwhile picks in that time but still, it's a recipe for problems.

I'm wondering if the Suns and Beal could rework the shape of the buyout. I saw something about it awhile back.

 

[Yuma]

I'm wondering if the Suns and Beal could rework the shape of the buyout. I saw something about it awhile back.

Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

So we won 49 games and clinched a playoff seed last year, with a weaker roster, and then blame our coach and hire the touted homeboy Bud. Only to play far worse and miss the play ins and be a 35 win team. Bud made Nurk look so bad, we had to trade away Nurk for a bag of peanuts and then made...

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[Mainstreet]

Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

So we won 49 games and clinched a playoff seed last year, with a weaker roster, and then blame our coach and hire the touted homeboy Bud. Only to play far worse and miss the play ins and be a 35 win team. Bud made Nurk look so bad, we had to trade away Nurk for a bag of peanuts and then made...

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I'm expecting something creative. Bobby Marks would know what can be done.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm expecting something creative. Bobby Marks would know what can be done.

The only creative part is Beal taking a buyout because normal stretching doesn't work since we have Nassir Little's deal stretched. We can't have 25% of the cap stretched, which Beal would bring us to with Little's. So really it's not a good plan.

 

[Yuma]

The only creative part is Beal taking a buyout because normal stretching doesn't work since we have Nassir Little's deal stretched. We can't have 25% of the cap stretched, which Beal would bring us to with Little's. So really it's not a good plan.

It's not a good plan because they have to eat like $85 million. But it's the only way to get rid of Beal without draft picks or other assets involved.

 

[Suns_fan69]

A buyout would be so shortsighted. $20m+ against the cap for 5 years is asking for trouble. I know we don't have worthwhile picks in that time but still, it's a recipe for problems.

22m against the cap is not great, but it will get Phoenix under the 2nd apron, and the cap is rising 10% for the 2026 season. If Beal is willing to take less in a buyout, great! I highly doubt that will happen though, he's got no incentive to do so. But either way, he needs to be off the team, and if that means having dead salary in a bunch of years where the team doesn't figure to be competitive anyways, so be it.

That's a much better scenario than giving up ANY future assets to get rid of him, especially in a bunch of years that again, the team doesn't figure to be competitive.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's not a good plan because they have to eat like $85 million. But it's the only way to get rid of Beal without draft picks or other assets involved.

It'd be better to eat the cap hit for 2 years than suffer through a half decade of cap hit.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I haven't seen anyone talking about Bobby Marks saying if Beal agrees to a buyout, you could stretch the remaining contract and comply with the waive and stretch rules. Basically Beal agrees to a buyout and foregoes, two seasons worth of mid level exception to his contract, reducing his total by $20-25 million, and then he could sign with whoever he wants for the cost of a mid level exception to his new team, and still make the same money in total.

There's conjecture at that cheap of a price, even with missing time, contenders that need scoring could sign him using their mid level exception and get instant off the bench scoring. Plus he could have his choice of where to play.

Or he could stay here where he may not be wanted.

Of course Ishbia would have to eat that approximately $80 million-ish remainder of his contract.

Just interesting that there technically is an avenue to do this if desperate enough.

He would lose his coveted no trade clause. He ain’t doing it.

 

[Proximo]

A buyout would be so shortsighted. $20m+ against the cap for 5 years is asking for trouble. I know we don't have worthwhile picks in that time but still, it's a recipe for problems.

Absolutely. What are we going to do with getting slightly under the cap anyway - sign a midlevel guy?

Got to keep him till we can trade him.

 

[95pro]

not for bullying, but maybe fans can help get this guy out of here. This is smiling away collecting checks, has not been a winner even when healthy, said he's happy collecting checks and happy he still has his ntc.

 

[95pro]

Windy on espn first take, good stuff.

 

[AzStevenCal]

not for bullying, but maybe fans can help get this guy out of here. This is smiling away collecting checks, has not been a winner even when healthy, said he's happy collecting checks and happy he still has his ntc.

Rile up the crowd and it will become bullying. I understand the frustration but I take his remarks quite differently than you and some others here do. I want him gone because we need him gone but I think he's handled himself like a true pro considering all the vitriol and hatred he and his family have faced. And he didn't force us to trade for him, that was all on our management and that's where the fans ire should be directed IMO.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Absolutely. What are we going to do with getting slightly under the cap anyway - sign a midlevel guy?

Got to keep him till we can trade him.

Getting under the 2nd apron makes a KD trade FAR easier to execute. Most notably, the incoming salary relaxes to 110% of outgoing, as opposed to 100% (ie, cannot take a single dollar more). That's the main reason Phoenix should try and get out Beal's 53M next year, though I conceded there are other, possibly better, ways to get under the 2nd apron.

 

[95pro]

Rile up the crowd and it will become bullying. I understand the frustration but I take his remarks quite differently than you and some others here do. I want him gone because we need him gone but I think he's handled himself like a true pro considering all the vitriol and hatred he and his family have faced. And he didn't force us to trade for him, that was all on our management and that's where the fans ire should be directed IMO.

I dont' have disagreements with most of this; my comments are more sarcastic and frustration fueled.

Serious talk here;
He's been a pro. His family was attacked, that was out of line.
I think we are all po'd at the FO.

Only disagreement for me are his remarks.

 

[Suns_fan69]

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[Covert Rain]

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This is a pretty good analysis.

 

[Chaplin]

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I'll summarize this video:

Don't ISO Durant and Book. That's it.

 

[leclerc]

I think what works is long athletic energy guys, hopefully with a 3pt shot, and let Boob and KD just shoot or drive in the flow of the offence. Enter the gaochos!

 

[leclerc]

When Bud put Beal and Allen back into the rotation that actually had things going then it went out the window. I guess that was around when the losing streak started.

Well, maybe it was more getting Allen back and KD getting injured. Allen's minutes should have gone to Cody Martin and Gillespie.

 

[Mainstreet]

Even if the Suns figured out their offensive woes, they's still need to learn how to play defense, although turnovers are a huge contributor to giving opponents easy baskets.

 

[Hoop Head]

Even if the Suns figured out their offensive woes, they's still need to learn how to play defense, although turnovers are a huge contributor to giving opponents easy baskets.

Everyone needs to be shopped except the Gauchos. I'd be ok retaining Monte Morris as a backup to Gillepsie and maybe Bol². We need an influx of athletes going forward and no one should be under 6'6".

 

[Mainstreet]

Everyone needs to be shopped except the Gauchos. I'd be ok retaining Monte Morris as a backup to Gillepsie and maybe Bol². We need an influx of athletes going forward and no one should be under 6'6".

Indulge me. Can we find room for Ty Ty, maybe as a substitute for Bol Bol?

 

[Hoop Head]

Indulge me. Can we find room for Ty Ty, maybe as a substitute for Bol Bol?

I wouldn't mind taking a look at him as an end of the bench guy if he's out of two way eligible years.

The 11-15 roster spots should be taken by vets who can play or young guys who can develop. Not wasted on Damien Lee types. I could see Plumlee as an end of the bench big like Biyombo was here though.

 

[Bufalay]

Suns need to send Booker to the rockets to get their picks back and then build a tank around Beal.

They should only trade KD if there is a team dumb enough to trade something useful for him otherwise he can help with the tank fest.