Suns among teams interested in Eric Gordon

[Cheesebeef]

Didn't some team do it just a few days ago? Forgot who it was.

didn't see that. maybe it was the Blazers with Hibbert? but yes, it doesn't make sense that we would in essence be helping NO sign their own player for cheaper then they would have had to sign him otherwise.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Didn't some team do it just a few days ago? Forgot who it was.

EDIT: Portland and Hibbert? Ugh, don't remember.

Can't do it...let's face it, everyone knew NO would match, nice of Gordon to say good things about our team, but this entire exercise was a total waste of time.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Silver lining?

Free Agents still showing Phoenix is a destination spot. Makes me feel good about our chances with Harden and other potential Max guys next year.

 

[JS22]

Silver lining?

Free Agents still showing Phoenix is a destination spot. Makes me feel good about our chances with Harden and other potential Max guys next year.

This is how I look at it.

By some miracle Babby and Blanks have shown that PHX is still a legitimate destination. Even after all of the crap Sarver has put this organization through.

Getting Gordon, Dragic, and (to a lesser extent) Beasley to agree so quickly? That's a friggin' miracle and a good sign that the Suns FO actually knows what they're doing.

 

[SunsTzu]

Didn't some team do it just a few days ago? Forgot who it was.

EDIT: Portland and Hibbert? Ugh, don't remember.

Hibbert is the one who agreed to sign the exact same offer the Blazers were offering with the Pacers. He never made a big deal about wanting to leave the Pacers and it frees up the Pacers to have little extra flexibility to sign another player to do it that way.

The Suns are not going to screw over Gordon just to try to have a better chance at some of the remaining mediocre free agents. Even if other teams have done it, that wouldn't excuse that type of move.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hibbert is the one who agreed to sign the exact same offer the Blazers were offering with the Pacers. He never made a big deal about wanting to leave the Pacers and it frees up the Pacers to have little extra flexibility to sign another player to do it that way.

The Suns are not going to screw over Gordon just to try to have a better chance at some of the remaining mediocre free agents. Even if other teams have done it, that wouldn't excuse that type of move.

i gotta agree. that's where i see the distinction here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Silver lining?

Free Agents still showing Phoenix is a destination spot. Makes me feel good about our chances with Harden and other potential Max guys next year.

I would agree. Lon Babby's experience as an agent helps here. He knows players and agents. He knows what they are like and what they are looking for. The whole job description of an agent is to know how to appease and please players.

He also should be a pretty good negotiator. I would expect his limitations would be things like team chemistry, coaching evaluation, and player evaluation.

 

[Chaplin]

Speculation by a reporter in New Orleans is that NO has not received the signed offer sheet yet because they are working on a sign-and-trade.

Fletcher Mackel ‏@FletcherMackel
Dell says Hornets have not received Suns offer on Eric Gordon. My guy is he's working on a sign and trade with PHX.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Speculation by a reporter in New Orleans is that NO has not received the signed offer sheet yet because they are working on a sign-and-trade.

i fear what kind of assets we're going to give up for this guy.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Blazers/Pacers situation with Hibbert was kind of a handshake deal between the teams. Hibbert had not dragged Indy's name through the mud, Indy told the Blazers they were undoubtedly matching so they Blazers withdrew on the agreement that Indiana was going to give Hibbert the max on their own. If Indy rescinded then you can be sure that Hibbert would sign the deal with Portland and Indy would look like real scum to players and teams.

I dont see this thing with Gordon working out the same, mostly because of Gordon's comments during the week. The Hornets probably figure a lot of that was Phx whispering in his ear.

And I dont think the Suns went into this just trying to drive up Gordon's price. Teams almost always claim they will match RFA's, if only for some leverage (the Suns even claimed they would match anything Lopez got at one point). With Gordon's injury history and his attitude this week I dont doubt New Orleans had a good amount of internal dialog over the situation.

I agree about the silver lining. Players still seem impressed by the organization. Thats nice. Now dont blow all the cap space on role players so we can actually sign a difference maker should one land in our laps.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I wonder. Did Gordon and his agent tell NO to work out a s&t or he will just sign the qualifying offer and be gone next year? If he really wants to be in Phoenix, he could do that. It would be a huge risk on his part.

Big game of poker going on right now.

 

[Chaplin]

BREAKING NEWS!

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620
Suns will sign Eric Gordon to the offer sheet today for 4 years and 58 million

Maybe his source is Chris Broussard.

 

[Phrazbit]

BREAKING NEWS!

Gambo is such a schmuck.

 

[Chaplin]

Gambo is such a schmuck.

At least we agree on that.

 

[Phrazbit]

I wonder. Did Gordon and his agent tell NO to work out a s&t or he will just sign the qualifying offer and be gone next year? If he really wants to be in Phoenix, he could do that. It would be a huge risk on his part.

Big game of poker going on right now.

New Orleans would call that bluff. A guy with Gordon's injury problems would be insane to take a one year deal while there is a 58 million dollar contract on the table.

 

[Chaplin]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620
There was never any discussions on a sign and trade between Suns and New Orleans for Gordon.

If they match, we move on for a cheaper player. If they don't, we get a possible cornerstone if healthy.

Seems like a win-win for us other than the time issues.

 

[Griffin]

The question now is do the match right away or do they take their time? If they are serious about wanting Gordon to be a big part of their future and not just a trade asset, then matching quickly might send a stronger message.

 

[elindholm]

Once Gordon's name goes on the page, a sign-and-trade is permanently off the table, right? That's the point of no return?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Once Gordon's name goes on the page, a sign-and-trade is permanently off the table, right? That's the point of no return?

I believe that is the case. I did not know for sure if both sides, Phoenix and Gordon, could rescind and work out a s&t, but I don't think so.

If NO is smart, they will match quickly as a show of good will to Gordon. If they are vindictive, they will wait to the last possible second and tie of the Suns for pursuing others. There are advantages to doing the latter. It might make other teams think twice about signing your rfa.

 

[SunsTzu]

Once Gordon's name goes on the page, a sign-and-trade is permanently off the table, right? That's the point of no return?

Yep. I was hoping it would have been signed last night like other contracts.

 

[Phrazbit]

Once Gordon's name goes on the page, a sign-and-trade is permanently off the table, right? That's the point of no return?

Yep. No S/T, no one year qualifying offer. Reason for the hold up probably is chatting with his agent over his options. Or they are talking with New Orleans trying to inform them of how much Gordon hates them.

 

[JS22]

Gambo is such a schmuck.

For all the crap people give him, he does seem to have some legitimate sources. He did break the Nash story.

 

[Chaplin]

Someone at RealGM posted this. Don't know the accuracy, but it sounds like a strategy the front office would do--front load the contract then have the final year be the lowest salary.

Room: $15,000,000
Number of years: 4
Option/ETO years: 1
Raise %: 4.5%
Signing bonus %: 20.0%

Year Base Sal Guarantee Bonus Total
1 $11,063,307 100% $3,936,693 $15,000,000
2 $11,561,156 100% $3,936,693 $15,497,849
3 $12,059,004 100% $3,936,693 $15,995,698
4 $12,556,853 100% $0 $12,556,853
5 $0 100% $0 $0
6 $0 100% $0 $0
Totals: $47,240,320 $11,810,080 $59,050,400

 

[AsUdUdE]

For all the crap people give him, he does seem to have some legitimate sources. He did break the Nash story.

Yes.. when it comes to the Suns, Gambo hits it on way more often than he is wrong..

Also remember he nailed Kendall Marshal 3 days before the draft as well.. Gambo may be dense, but when it comes to Suns news, he usually knows what he is talking about..

 

[Suns_fan69]

I believe that is the case. I did not know for sure if both sides, Phoenix and Gordon, could rescind and work out a s&t, but I don't think so.

If NO is smart, they will match quickly as a show of good will to Gordon. If they are vindictive, they will wait to the last possible second and tie of the Suns for pursuing others. There are advantages to doing the latter. It might make other teams think twice about signing your rfa.

Larry Coon answered this one a few days back (christ that man tweets a lot). but all 3 parties have to rescind the offer.

4 Jul Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon
Yes, sides can work out sign-and- RT @BillyPolcha: Happy 4th LC! Can Gordon be traded to the Suns before he actually signs the offer sheet??

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon
...trade before offer sheet is signed. But not after, unless all three agree to rescind the offer sheet. @BillyPolcha