Suns at Bobcats 1/23

[AceP]

Bell and Diaw was doing OK early this season in the Suns, they left because they wanted to leave. They don't want to play for the Suns any more. They both got game left, they will play in NBA for some more seasons and do fine.

I said this b4, Diaw should play full time starting PF, off-bench job here is wasting his worth. He can't get it here, unless, of course, we trade Amare instead of him. If we knew Amare could tank his game like this, we probably would have decided otherwise. It's too late now, we have to swallow it.

 

[dodie53]

if feeling un motivated right now

 

[cly2tw]

Diaw: 26 points / 11 rebounds / 4 assists / 2 steals
Bell: 9 points / 8 assists / 5 rebounds / 2 steals

JRich, the guy we traded Diaw and Bell for: 8 points / 6 rebounds / 2 steals

And someone will say that Diaw would never produce those kinds of numbers playing alongside Amare.

Coincidently, Amare: 12 points / 9 rebounds / 6 turnovers

But the problem is not Amare, he is just part of it. Amare is not as good a player as he appeared to be under D'Antoni, but he is also not as bad as he appears now under Porter. The problem is we have a coach who doesn't know how to utilize the strengths of his players, and a GM who doesn't realize that.

That's so true!

He had a good idea on paper when he started it saying "less ball handling" for Nash. Yet, he is unable to implement anything viable besides "giving it to Nash a la DA".
Bell could pass the ball like Hornecek did, and he could be very well useful as long as he is not driving it to create. But he and Nash didn't like Porter's plan that'd make Nash less dominant on this team.
Amare got some touches for a while and delivered good things, yet Porter couldn't bring it to LB and Barnes to keep it this way with Nash out, which finally marginalized Amare again, and his mood and game is way down now.
It's a situation that nobody is happy and Porter has no plan or guts to undertake anything to change it.

 

[cly2tw]

Bell and Diaw was doing OK early this season in the Suns, they left because they wanted to leave. They don't want to play for the Suns any more. They both got game left, they will play in NBA for some more seasons and do fine.

I said this b4, Diaw should play full time starting PF, off-bench job here is wasting his worth. He can't get it here, unless, of course, we trade Amare instead of him. If we knew Amare could tank his game like this, we probably would have decided otherwise. It's too late now, we have to swallow it.

Well, if motivation is the main issue you have with Amare, then you'll once again get pissed off once he blossoms in a better situation, like you did with Diaw trade.

 

[dodie53]

hire eddie johnson as coach,
hire anyone,
fire Porter already

 

[Ninjafish]

Most off the diaw haters here never considered that he was not being used properly, but that is also the case with the amare haters. Funny how slow the ASFN posters are to figuring out that the coach that cant find a way to utilize the talent on his roster is also a huge issue.

You're right, I shouldn't go crazy on Amare. What's more likely to be the case, that Amare, Nash, Bell, and Diaw all together start sucking at the same season, or that we just a coach who doesn't know how to use good players?

But man..... since we can all right now clearly see that Diaw and Bell are still good players with a capable coach, ....just how pointless was that trade?

 

[elindholm]

Diaw also sucked the last two years, with a different coach. You can't blame his underperformance on Porter. We all know that he has the talent and occasionally decides to apply it. Wait and see if he keeps this going with Charlotte for more than a few months.

 

[Covert Rain]

You're right, I shouldn't go crazy on Amare. What's more likely to be the case, that Amare, Nash, Bell, and Diaw all together start sucking at the same season, or that we just a coach who doesn't know how to use good players?

But man, just how pointless was that trade?

That makes no sense. Your getting better play from our SG position and Diaw was not going to get you starters numbers coming off the bench. He is starting in Charlotte.

 

[dodie53]

the 'cats just got the suns off guard,
that trade wasn't pointless.

 

[Ninjafish]

That makes no sense. Your getting better play from our SG position and Diaw was not going to get you starters numbers coming off the bench. He is starting in Charlotte.

Are you really still going to deny that the trade was pointless? We haven't improved at all post trade. In fact, we may actually be worse.

The best you could argue for was that it was a lateral move. By saying we sucked before the trade, and we sucked after.

 

[Covert Rain]

Are you really still going to deny that the trade was pointless? We haven't improved at all post trade. In fact, we may actually be worse.

The best you could argue for was that it was a lateral move. By saying we sucked before the trade, and we sucked after.

Your the only one I have heard call it pointless.... so yes. The trade would look alot better right now if Amare was playing like the old Amare, we had better bench production and a coach who could coach.

 

[AceP]

We were well improved after the trade, until recent slump.

 

[nowagimp]

You're right, I shouldn't go crazy on Amare. What's more likely to be the case, that Amare, Nash, Bell, and Diaw all together start sucking at the same season, or that we just a coach who doesn't know how to use good players?

But man..... since we can all right now clearly see that Diaw and Bell are still good players with a capable coach, ....just how pointless was that trade?

Yeah everybody sucks with a bad coach and a bad plan. Funny how ASFN posters were saying these guys sucked because they didnt beat the spurs. Well now they cant beat the knicks and the bobcats. Wake up and smell the coffee, we have been "savakerred"(screwed).

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah everybody sucks with a bad coach and a bad plan. Funny how ASFN posters were saying these guys sucked because they didnt beat the spurs. Well now they cant beat the knicks and the bobcats. Wake up and smell the coffee, we have been "savakerred"(screwed).

People have been saying the core sucks since we got bounced from the playoffs under D'Antoni. Funny how that works.

 

[Andrew]

We are SO much better than the Cats, they just caught us on a BAD night. I know it is frustrating, everyone wants to blame someone else and so and so, but the only people accountable for the recent slump is the team. They are the ones going out there and playing, sure it might seem some is to blame on Porter and it is, but most of it is on the team. They are under achieving and settling for bad play recently, they will either get out of their slump soon or sink farther.

And please, no Shaq blame thrown around, this is a team problem. Shaq is a part of the problem, but isn't the entire problem. And I just used him as an example, its a TEAM problem.

God, this night just sucks...

 

[Ninjafish]

Your the only one I have heard call it pointless.... so yes.

I'm just not seeing any improvement it made. What was the point when we were awful pre trade and we're still awful post trade? (Possibly even more awful)

You have to admit the trade didn't do a whole lot.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm just not seeing any improvement it made. What was the point when we were awful pre trade and we're still awful post trade? (Possibly even more awful)

You have to admit the trade didn't do a whole lot.

The point of the trade was to improve defense from the SG position and add more scoring punch in the starting lineup because Raja wasn't playing well. The trade did exactly that.

What the Suns didn't count on was the poor play of others on this team post trade. Nobody could have seen that coming and I would argue that if we still had Diaw and Bell on this team, we would have been under .500 over a week ago.

 

[Ninjafish]

The point of the trade was to improve defense from the SG position and add more scoring punch in the starting lineup because Raja wasn't playing well. The trade did exactly that.

I'm not seeing what great effect this had. (If indeed, we even have improved in defense from the SG position. I'd argue against that and did in the other thread.)

What the Suns didn't count on was the poor play of others on this team post trade. Nobody could have seen that coming and I would argue that if we still had Diaw and Bell on this team, we would have been under .500 over a week ago.

JRich has played poorly in many games as of late too. He's not exempt from blame.

 

[nowagimp]

The point of the trade was to improve defense from the SG position and add more scoring punch in the starting lineup because Raja wasn't playing well. The trade did exactly that.

What the Suns didn't count on was the poor play of others on this team post trade. Nobody could have seen that coming and I would argue that if we still had Diaw and Bell on this team, we would have been under .500 over a week ago.

Another bah! the trade put amumdsen in there in the rotation instead of diaw. If you dont think thats a huge downgrade in interior defense and low post offense, keep smoking that pipe.

 

[Covert Rain]

Another bah! the trade put amumdsen in there in the rotation instead of diaw. If you dont think thats a huge downgrade in interior defense and low post offense, keep smoking that pipe.

Bah back. The point of the trade had nothing to do with moving Amundsen into Diaw's spot. Nor was the point of the trade to rid ourselves of Diaw's bench play. This trade was all about the SG spot. So in that context...mission accomplished.

 

[nowagimp]

People have been saying the core sucks since we got bounced from the playoffs under D'Antoni. Funny how that works.

but you blamed DA last year and the players(not porter) this year, got some porter religion huh?

 

[nowagimp]

Bah back. The point of the trade had nothing to do with moving Amundsen into Diaw's spot.

Itmay not have been the point, but it was the result. that result has changed the team defensively, without a doubt. I thought "defense wins championships"?

 

[Ninjafish]

Bah back. The point of the trade had nothing to do with moving Amundsen into Diaw's spot. Nor was the point of the trade to rid ourselves of Diaw's bench play. This trade was all about the SG spot. So in that context...mission accomplished.

As a team, we went from awful to worse. Mission accomplished. Great trade.

 

[Andrew]

this is on the team, I can't say that enough

 

[DeAnna]

Argh!!!

At least D'Antoni knew to play to his personnel's strength. Oh, and wasn't it Kerr who wanted D'Antoni to use Amare more in a post up game? Well, now he can see the results for himself. Amare got schooled by Boris and JRich got handled pretty well by Raja.

And wasn't it Kerr who wanted the team to play defense? Well, now he can see the results for himself.

But I am happy for Raja and Boris; they came to play.