Suns at Dallas 12/5/14

[AzStevenCal]

Kieff is playing solidly. 22 & 10. Steve Albert actually made a good observation about him tonight. "He's 6'10", but he doesn't look it because he's so thin."

With a trend of Kieff playing Center in 4th quarters (and Mook at Power Forward), that will catch up with us. I hope the coaching staff anticipates that. But credit goes to Kieff for producing right now.

He's been our best center by far, so I don't really see it catching up with us. Not having a better center will catch up with us (and already has) but playing the best we have at the position seems to be the right option. Hopefully Len will get a little stronger and earn the key minutes before too much longer.

Steve

 

[BC867]

Just a gut feeling. Although IT is out injured, my guess the Suns would trade him for the right offer.

I don't think they will consider that this season. He is insurance if Bledsoe goes down again or Dragic wears down.

If they just stay with the latest switch of Goran running the Point when he is in with Bledsoe, then playing IT with Green to rest them both, it could work.

Especially with Green seeing a lot more time at Small Forward lately.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think they will consider that this season. He is insurance if Bledsoe goes down again or Dragic wears down.

If they just stay with the latest switch of Goran running the Point when he is in with Bledsoe, then playing IT with Green to rest them both, it could work.

Especially with Green seeing a lot more time at Small Forward lately.

Tyler Ennis could be the third player that can play PG if the Suns traded IT.

 

[Sci Fi]

he trolled the board by giving his opinion on a player you disagreed with? Sorry... that's not trolling. And criticizing a player on the board isn't trolling either. If that's the case, then you've been trolling the board by slamming McD repeatedly with your analysis.

If you feel so strongly about "abuse", then you should have spoken up with Steve's idiocy. Tell me, do you think an All-NBA player is average?

so, now he's an idiot too? now... THAT is trolling. As is saying he deserves abuse. Read the forum rules.

As to Dragic? I think he's a very good player, with solid PG skills, who is much better suited to be a Ginobli then an every day PG.[/QUOTE]

lol if you really believe this. He's a top 25 player in the NBA, quite possibly top 10. Few can do what he did tonight (and last season). Dismissing Dragic ability is common among Suns fans. Yes, that is idiocy.

BTW, Ginobili was probably one of the 20 best players of this generation. Maybe a top 50 player ever. The Suns aren't good enough or well coached enough to sit a player like that.

 

[BC867]

So with Mason Plumlee out of the equation with the Nets, I hope the Suns go after him.

Mason is 7'0"-235. He weighs less than Miles. His averages to this point are 7.0/4.4.

Do you think that is going to solve our Center problem? We need to set our sights higher. Or, in this case, stronger.

 

[Proteus]

That was some block by Bledsoe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

so, now he's an idiot too? now... THAT is trolling. As is saying he deserves abuse. Read the forum rules.

As to Dragic? I think he's a very good player, with solid PG skills, who is much better suited to be a Ginobli then an every day PG.

lol if you really believe this.[/QUOTE]

you act as if being compared to Ginobli is some kind of slight. The guy was a stud in his prime.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Tonight's win has us at 7 - 3 over the past 10 games. And we haven't gained a single game among the current projected playoff teams (in the West). In fact, we've actually lost ground to 4 of the teams above us. That's just unreal.

Steve

 

[BC867]

Tonight's win has us at 7 - 3 over the past 10 games. And we haven't gained a single game among the current projected playoff teams (in the West). In fact, we've actually lost ground to 4 of the teams above us. That's just unreal.

Steve

That doesn't bode well for the Suns as the season plays on and outrunning and 3-point shooting your opponents wears down.

 

[Mainstreet]

Mason is 7'0"-235. He weighs less than Miles. His averages to this point are 7.0/4.4.

Do you think that is going to solve our Center problem? We need to set our sights higher. Or, in this case, stronger.

I consider him a FC who has a ton of upside. Mirza Teletovic has beaten him out for the backup PF position with the Nets. The time to acquire a player is when they do not fit the team or are not producing in the system. I believe in Mason's talent.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That doesn't bode well for the Suns as the season plays on and outrunning and 3-point shooting your opponents wears down.

Yeah, it's looking like we could end up being a better team (not better record, just better team) than last season and still miss the playoffs. I know you'd hate it but I'd love to see us start a few games in a row with Bledsoe, Dragic, Green, Tucker and Markieff just to see how it works. I think it could improve our defense and our offense and just might be the spark that puts us into a playoff spot (or at least keeps us in the running for one). I think we all know that OKC (and maybe even Sac) will go on a winning streak when they get fully healthy.

Steve

 

[Sci Fi]

That doesn't bode well for the Suns as the season plays on and outrunning and 3-point shooting your opponents wears down.

Unfounded.

The last 4 NBA champs have done this.

Come on. Up your game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Tonight's win has us at 7 - 3 over the past 10 games. And we haven't gained a single game among the current projected playoff teams (in the West). In fact, we've actually lost ground to 4 of the teams above us. That's just unreal.

Steve

It is unreal. There is so much talent in the Western Conference the playoff system may need to be revised.

 

[SirStefan32]

so, now he's an idiot too? now... THAT is trolling. As is saying he deserves abuse. Read the forum rules.

As to Dragic? I think he's a very good player, with solid PG skills, who is much better suited to be a Ginobli then an every day PG.

lol if you really believe this. He's a top 25 player in the NBA, quite possibly top 10. Few can do what he did tonight (and last season). Dismissing Dragic ability is common among Suns fans. Yes, that is idiocy.

BTW, Ginobili was probably one of the 20 best players of this generation. Maybe a top 50 player ever. The Suns aren't good enough or well coached enough to sit a player like that.

Dude, stop being a dick. Steve has been a valued member of this community for over 10 years. He has always respected other people's opinions, and always presented his arguments intelligently.

You've done nothing but troll and attack people since you've joined the board. For the life of me, I don't understand why you haven't been banned by now.

Present your argument intelligently and respectfully, and don't be a dick to other people. Otherwise, get the hell out of here.

 

[Chaplin]

Unfounded.

The last 4 NBA champs have done this.

Come on. Up your game.

You know, we've had our fair share of trolls here over the years... therealhardaway, Andrew... But I'm not sure I've ever seen one as mean-spirited and horribly anti-social as you. You simply cannot provide an intelligent opinion without denigrating another poster on this forum. How you are still here is a mystery.

Having a simple conversation with you is more excruciating that the flame wars we've had over the years.

 

[Phrazbit]

Suns with probably their best win of the year tonight, pop in here for a little cheer me up as my poor Wildcats are geting ran over... and what do I see? The resident troll here stirring the pot.

I actually can't decide if he is a troll or has zero self awareness and is anti-social. Given his propensity for insult filled melt downs I am surprised he is still allowed to post here.

 

[Sci Fi]

You know, we've had our fair share of trolls here over the years... therealhardaway, Andrew... But I'm not sure I've ever seen one as mean-spirited and horribly anti-social as you. You simply cannot provide an intelligent opinion without denigrating another poster on this forum. How you are still here is a mystery.

Having a simple conversation with you is more excruciating that the flame wars we've had over the years.

I'm sure I'll be banned for being "mean spirited" since everyone thinks that. (If so, you'll loose the best poster here. That bothers you, doesn't it? Is it there for effect or do I believe that?) What does that even mean? I disagree with you?

AFAIC, Steve has been the biggest troll I can even imagine. He absolutely railed on a Sun that was an All-NBA player and nobody even flinched. Clowns even supported him. And I wouldn't mind if he had even presented a reasonable case but he never, not once, offered up ONE single piece of data to support his TROLL position.

Go back and look at the record. It's all there. I've spoken nothing but the truth about Steve. He even went so far as to claim his opnion as FACT (lol Steve).

I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. So go ahead, ban me. For being honest.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm sure I'll be banned for being "mean spirited" since everyone thinks that. (If so, you'll loose the best poster here. That bothers you, doesn't it? Is it there for effect or do I believe that?) What does that even mean? I disagree with you?

AFAIC, Steve has been the biggest troll I can even imagine. He absolutely railed on a Sun that was an All-NBA player and nobody even flinched. Clowns even supported him. And I wouldn't mind if he had even presented a reasonable case but he never, not once, offered up ONE single piece of data to support his TROLL position.

Go back and look at the record. It's all there. I've spoken nothing but the truth about Steve. He even went so far as to claim his opnion as FACT (lol Steve).

I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. So go ahead, ban me. For being honest.

This board is desperate for new blood, if you'd just make half an effort there wouldn't be a problem. I have no issue with you disagreeing with me. In fact, most of the board disagreed with me. But you keep misrepresenting my position and you try and turn everything into something personal. Just disagree and make your point.

Steve

 

[BC867]

I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. So go ahead, ban me. For being honest.

I haven't gotten involved in this conversation, but have you considered that diplomacy is just as important as honesty?

It is not just what you say, but how you say it.

Steve's opinions are stated diplomatically. 'Always have been.

They are not . . . attack the poster to try to win a debate.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Tonight's win has us at 7 - 3 over the past 10 games. And we haven't gained a single game among the current projected playoff teams (in the West). In fact, we've actually lost ground to 4 of the teams above us. That's just unreal.

Steve

Yep Just wait until OKC gets back on their feet.

 

[Sci Fi]

This board is desperate for new blood, if you'd just make half an effort there wouldn't be a problem. I have no issue with you disagreeing with me. In fact, most of the board disagreed with me. But you keep misrepresenting my position and you try and turn everything into something personal. Just disagree and make your point.

Steve

Here's the problem that I have with your point Steve. You NEVER made one. As far as I'm concerned, you babbled endlessly and never once supported your OPINION with anything approaching something that could be called data. Quite honestly, there isn't any. I've reviewed it thoroughly and would have been happy to disagree. Go back and look at what you wrote. Be honest with yourself. You wrote volumes of nothing as far as I'm concerned. And that would be fine if you had just said, "This is my opinion". You didn't, and you seemed to never want to stop.

So if this board needs new blood, should they come with your preaching endlessly and even still now think it's OK?

You blame me. Do you have any responsibility?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Here's the problem that I have with your point Steve. You NEVER made one. As far as I'm concerned, you babbled endlessly and never once supported your OPINION with anything approaching something that could be called data. Go back and look at what you wrote. Be honest with yourself. You wrote volumes of nothing as far as I'm concerned. And that would be fine if you had just said, "This is my opinion". You didn't, and you seemed to never want to stop.

So if this board needs new blood, should they come with your preaching endlessly and even still now think it's OK?

You blame me. Do you have any responsibility?

Okay. Let's call it all my fault. Will that make it easier for you to discuss and disagree with other posters without routinely making things personal?

Steve

 

[Sci Fi]

Okay. Let's call it all my fault. Will that make it easier for you to discuss and disagree with other posters without routinely making things personal?

Steve

You misunderstand me and my motives.

 

[Phrazbit]

Okay. Let's call it all my fault. Will that make it easier for you to discuss and disagree with other posters without routinely making things personal?

Steve

Steve, you're wasting your breath.

The guy is either a troll or an imbecile... or both. He has no interest in the community part of the message board. To him its a contest and its one you can't win, because when he gets proven wrong he only makes things more personal and descends into a complete meltdown.

For example, the final 2 pages of this thread:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/i-hope-youre-watching-slovenia-in-eurobasket-199458-5.html

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm sure I'll be banned for being "mean spirited" since everyone thinks that. (If so, you'll loose the best poster here. That bothers you, doesn't it? Is it there for effect or do I believe that?) What does that even mean? I disagree with you?

AFAIC, Steve has been the biggest troll I can even imagine. He absolutely railed on a Sun that was an All-NBA player and nobody even flinched. Clowns even supported him. And I wouldn't mind if he had even presented a reasonable case but he never, not once, offered up ONE single piece of data to support his TROLL position.

Go back and look at the record. It's all there. I've spoken nothing but the truth about Steve. He even went so far as to claim his opnion as FACT (lol Steve).

I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. So go ahead, ban me. For being honest.

I disagree with Steve ALOT. Regarding Dragic and especially regarding Frye and stretch 4 concept among other things.

But he's the farthest thing from a troll.

You can disagree with anyone here and nobody would think your a troll. Hell that's thr whole point of a message board, it would be boring if we al just sat around and said "Great post, agreed" all the time.

Steve usually does a fine job of presenting his case. And you can't attack Steve for his opinion, it's his opinion. Steve thinks Dragic is average in a half court system, Im not gonna necessarily agree with him completely on it (though I realize Dragic has shortcomings in the half court system, he does do a lot of his damage in transition) but I can certainly see his point. I could make my case vs him without baiting or insulting anyone easily.

Nobody's gonna ban you for having a different opinion.