Suns @ Clippers 11-28-18

[Mainstreet]

Final:

Clippers 115 - Suns 99

 

[WildBB]

If Ayton's struggling on offense, might as well go to Holmes. At least he brings defense and rebounding.

AND AGAIN GIVING UP THE OFFENSIVE REBOUND OFF A MISSED FT

They really don't need his offense finishing games really....so....

 

[sdscard4]

17 losses in 21 games ...and we won game 1.

 

[WildBB]

Nice to see okobo play well.

Chambers said he could start Friday.

 

[Folster]

My biggest complaint about Ayton is that he just floats around on both ends of the court far too often making whispy movements with and without the ball.

He rarely anchors his mass to the floor or ou muscle his opponent for positioning. I can count on my hand the number of power/explosive plays he has made.

Stop floating around the court Ayton and start playing like the 7 foot freak we know you can be.

 

[Mainstreet]

Chambers said he could start Friday.

This is what needs to happen even if Booker can play situational point guard.

He is getting so frustrated it is boiling over. Get him a point guard soon.

 

[1Sun]

Someone needs to ask Kokoskov why he insisted on giving Canaan playing time over Okobo and why he continues to insist on giving Ariza playing time over Jackson.

 

[Proximo]

I am really getting sick of losing and trying to see progress in a loss.

But if we could get this kind of contributions from Jackson and Okobo when our normal contributors play an average game we would win most nights.

I mean with Okobo we may have found one of the two nba players the team has been missing.

 

[1Sun]

My biggest complaint about Ayton is that he just floats around on both ends of the court far too often making whispy movements with and without the ball.

He rarely anchors his mass to the floor or ou muscle his opponent for positioning. I can count on my hand the number of power/explosive plays he has made.

Stop floating around the court Ayton and start playing like the 7 foot freak we know you can be.

He needs someone to teach him how to play the position. He got a late start playing the game, never got steady coaching in high school moving around a lot, got no coaching last year with the distraction of the FBI probe and being played out of position at power forward, and is clearly getting no coaching now. Talent and athleticism, even at a freakish level, only gets you so far. Ayton has demonstrated that he really wants to learn. The problem is that he hasn't had a teacher.

 

[WildBB]

He needs someone to teach him how to play the position. He got a late start playing the game, never got steady coaching in high school moving around a lot, got no coaching last year with the distraction of the FBI probe and being played out of position at power forward, and is clearly getting no coaching now. Talent and athleticism, even at a freakish level, only gets you so far. Ayton has demonstrated that he really wants to learn. The problem is that he hasn't had a teacher.

They're teaching, but the coach isn't holding him accountable enough.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am really getting sick of losing and trying to see progress in a loss.

But if we could get this kind of contributions from Jackson and Okobo when our normal contributors play an average game we would win most nights.

I mean with Okobo we may have found one of the two nba players the team has been missing.

No doubt, losing gets old. The Suns need a couple of bigs and a point guard.

 

[sdscard4]

Is there a big on the staff that can teach? Not Corliss

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Alright with some distance I’m still disappointed in Ayton but calmer. It was a really stinker. Boban was likely something he’s never encountered before. But man this better be a learning experience and he better crush boban next time they meet.

 

[BC867]

Is there a big on the staff that can teach? Not Corliss

Has the concept of positionless basketball players carried over to coaching?

It is logical that it would. Unless they are both illogical.

 

[WildBB]

Starting 5

1- Okobo
2- Booker
3- Warren
4- Ariza
5- Ayton

Finishing 5

1- Booker
2- Bridges/Jackson
3- Warren
4- Ariza
5- Holmes

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Ayton went full Bender tonight. That was tough to watch.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They're teaching, but the coach isn't holding him accountable enough.

Really? Cutting Canaan, buying out Tyson, demoting Anderson to DNP’s, benching Bender permanently—that’s not holding players accountable?

The way a coach holds players accountable is with playing time, but you do have to put five players on the floor.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I suppose he could start Holmes over Ayton until Ayton puts out some effort.

 

[1Sun]

Starting 5

1- Okobo
2- Booker
3- Warren
4- Ariza
5- Ayton

Finishing 5

1- Booker
2- Bridges/Jackson
3- Warren
4- Ariza
5- Holmes

Why in God's name would you give Ariza any playing time, let alone have him as a starter and finisher, the way he has played in all but 2 games this year?

 

[1Sun]

Really? Cutting Canaan, buying out Tyson, demoting Anderson to DNP’s, benching Bender permanently—that’s not holding players accountable?

The way a coach holds players accountable is with playing time, but you do have to put five players on the floor.

Two of those moves (Canaan and Tyson) were NOT made by Kokoskov, even though they should have been (in the form of decreased minutes at least).

 

[sunsfan88]

Ayton still plays so soft. Other than that dunk against the Spurs, he hasn’t had one play this whole season in which he uses his size and strength to destroy the opponent. And no, this isn’t just an NBA thing because he had this same issue at Arizona and it’s well documented in this article

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I’m not sure if people haven’t told him it already but they need to just get it through to him somehow that he has unique physical tools and to use it instead of going up finesse.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Really? Cutting Canaan, buying out Tyson, demoting Anderson to DNP’s, benching Bender permanently—that’s not holding players accountable?

The way a coach holds players accountable is with playing time, but you do have to put five players on the floor.

i don't know why you're losing your objectivity on Igor
if he started Canaan last week and fired Canaan today (instead of benching him) it means he's not consistent, which is what you said you liked about him.

and what up with Okobo?
he rightfully gave Okobo a start a month ago
didn't play him at all last week
and started him today

 

[1tinsoldier]

anyone who didn't see a game like this coming for Ayton is in denial
and spare me the "everyone has an off game once in while" defense
we've seen performances like this consistently at the end of games
particularly close ones
he doesn't have the confidence
and his teammates don't have confidence to got to him,
partly because they don't know how to,
because they haven't got plays to exploit him,
because his positioning stinks,
and he's not using his strength and athleticism enough

 

[Cheesebeef]

just finished watching the game. another one where there wasn't a whole lot of dog in Ayton's fight.

and jesus... Ariza somehow is becoming my most beloathed Sun ever.

 

[95pro]

Ayton went full Bender tonight. That was tough to watch.

You NEVER go full Bender!