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[Suns_fan69]

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Encouraging start from Dragic and Green shaking off Friday's off night for a strong shooting performance through the first half so far.

 

[Suns_fan69]

And then they completely fall apart in the 3rd. Same story as last year as well; if the Suns can't generate transition chances either off turnovers or defensive stops, they just can't create enough offense in the half-court.

 

[SirStefan32]

Todat was the first time in a long time that I decided to watch something from my DVR instead of the Suns' game. Until one of the PGs is gone, I think I'll be doing a lot more of that.

 

[sunsfan88]

Ryan McD made a ton of rookie mistakes as GM. This team is going nowhere. He paid the trio of Tucker, Bledsoe and Marcus way too much money.

Suns need to trade away all their PGs and just keep Dragic. Put a decent 3 and D SG like Wesley Matthews next to Goran and he'll be fine.

We need to go after Butler/Leonard this summer. Max out both players.

I'm so jealous of the Clippers front court. Especially Jordan. DeAndre Jordan plays basketball the way its supposed to be played. Not a damn thing soft about him. He made Plumlee his (expletive) tonight.

Suns need to get a DeAndre Jordan type big man. Jordan was even a UDFA.

As I said earlier, this team isn't going to make playoffs.

Bring TJ Warren and Ennis back and give them playing time over these mediocre veterans that we have who do absolutely nothing.

Developing Len, Warren, Ennis and Goodwin is more important than trying to win and becoming a mediocre team so we can get the #14 pick.

Oh and its clear to me that the Suns don't practice defense ever. The worst pick and roll defense in the NBA. Me and my brother could run pick and roll and score on the Suns. Its pathetic. Hornacek, how about teaching a thing or two about the other side of the court bud?

 

[Suns_fan69]

Suns need to trade away all their PGs and just keep Dragic. Put a decent 3 and D SG like Wesley Matthews next to Goran and he'll be fine.

They really just need to get rid of one to bring some semblance of order to the rotation. Really, that's not going to happen until Hornacek himself sees that the 2 PG offense isn't viable long term.

We need to go after Butler/Leonard this summer. Max out both players.

Leonard has already gone on record as saying he's staying in SA and that they've communicated the long term plan with him already. As with Butler, I'm guessing Chicago is secretly more willing to give up Rose at this point than Butler.

Either way, I agree a change to the backcourt is needed. I know it's only 10 games into the season but I don't have faith that this guard rotation is going to resolve itself.

And when are the Suns gonna realize this team is NOT GOIN TO THE PLAYOFFS?

Unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, and that's ok for now. It only takes one more injury in the west for the Suns to have a good chance of making it in.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

There's nothing an organization fears more than a apathetic fan base.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm officially jumping off the 2 PG lineup bandwagon. I know others have already jumped off but I had hope that we'll eventually figure it out.

I can now see why no other team in the NBA runs a 2 PG lineup despite other teams also having the cap space to sign multiple PGs.

Hornacek needs to end his 2 PG wet dream and realize that this is the 21st century, not the 80s and 90s when him and KJ played.

 

[JustWinBaby]

This team is unwatchable.

Imagine if we would not have played the Lakers twice and got Lucky against the Spurs, Warriors and Nets we could be 0 and 10. We could be right there with the 76ers but they may have a better future than us if everyone gets healthy at some point.

What other team is going to be interested in Bledsoe, the Morris Twins, the midget and Tucker.

We are kind of stuck with what we have.

I remember when some were predicting 50 wins.

I also remember a lot of folks wanting to trade Green. He might be our best player. Without him we would be 0 and 10.

What a joke.

 

[sunsfan88]

There's nothing an organization fears more than a apathetic fan base.

I think the Suns have one of the strongest fan bases among teams who have won zero titles in 45 years.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

I think the Suns have one of the strongest fan bases among teams who have won zero titles in 45 years.

It shows!

 

[Suns_fan69]

Green has been great with any of the guards because his first instinct is to shoot. I know that sounds ridiculous but all the other guards (Dragic/IT/Bledsoe) instinctively start dribbling on a kickout and tend to overdribble. I've seen at least 3 instances this game alone where Bledsoe gets a kickout from Dragic for a relatively open 3 but instead waits for the defender to closeout and then starts a dribble move.

Green's height, jumping ability and quick release make him an invaluable part of the offense currently.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm officially jumping off the 2 PG lineup bandwagon. I know others have already jumped off but I had hope that we'll eventually figure it out.

I can now see why no other team in the NBA runs a 2 PG lineup despite other teams also having the cap space to sign multiple PGs.

Hornacek needs to end his 2 PG wet dream and realize that this is the 21st century, not the 80s and 90s when him and KJ played.

Welcome to the club. I am glad more people are jumping off the bandwagon.

Problem is that KJ was a legit point guard, and Hornacek could play a shooting guard just fine. Bledsoe is not KJ, and Dragic is not Hornacek. Both need the ball in their hands. I'll take Dragic over Bledsoe easily, but one of them needs to go.

 

[sunsfan88]

It shows!

It should, people watching the Suns get blown out of the building instead of doing something better on a Saturday night is proof enough.

 

[SirStefan32]

Stop kidding yourself, you were never on the 2 PG lineup bandwagon to begin with. Sometimes I wonder if you're even on the Suns bandwagon.

As far as I can remember, Eric and I were the only two people here who never bought into this nonsense. BC may have been the third one, but I am not sure about that. Everyone else was all about the two PG thing.

Can't freaking believe it took this long for people to wake up.

 

[sunsfan88]

Welcome to the club. I am glad more people are jumping off the bandwagon.

Problem is that KJ was a legit point guard, and Hornacek could play a shooting guard just fine. Bledsoe is not KJ, and Dragic is not Hornacek. Both need the ball in their hands. I'll take Dragic over Bledsoe easily, but one of them needs to go.

If only McD or Sarver got this message.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

It should, people watching the Suns get blown out of the building instead of doing something better on a Saturday night is proof enough.

And yet not one full page of threads.

 

[sunsfan88]

And yet not one full page of threads.

Not everyone likes to post while watching. There are other Suns forums which have nearly 10 pages.

Besides, not all Suns fans who watched this game are on internet forums.

 

[elindholm]

They really just need to get rid of one to bring some semblance of order to the rotation. Really, that's not going to happen until Hornacek himself sees that the 2 PG offense isn't viable long term.

Hornacek isn't the GM. Who is he supposed to play instead? This roster wouldn't be any more successful sticking to a traditional lineup.

Either way, I agree a change to the backcourt is needed. I know it's only 10 games into the season but I don't have faith that this guard rotation is going to resolve itself.

I also agree, but it's the lack of any interior presence on offense that is the bigger problem. MkMorris's post game has disappeared, and the Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt doesn't provide enough spacing for Plumlee to operate.

 

[Hoop Head]

Ryan McD made a ton of rookie mistakes as GM. This team is going nowhere. He paid the trio of Tucker, Bledsoe and Marcus way too much money.

Suns need to trade away all their PGs and just keep Dragic. Put a decent 3 and D SG like Wesley Matthews next to Goran and he'll be fine.

We need to go after Butler/Leonard this summer. Max out both players.

I'm so jealous of the Clippers front court. Especially Jordan. DeAndre Jordan plays basketball the way its supposed to be played. Not a damn thing soft about him. He made Plumlee his (expletive) tonight.

Suns need to get a DeAndre Jordan type big man. Jordan was even a UDFA.

As I said earlier, this team isn't going to make playoffs.

Bring TJ Warren and Ennis back and give them playing time over these mediocre veterans that we have who do absolutely nothing.

Developing Len, Warren, Ennis and Goodwin is more important than trying to win and becoming a mediocre team so we can get the #14 pick.

Oh and its clear to me that the Suns don't practice defense ever. The worst pick and roll defense in the NBA. Me and my brother could run pick and roll and score on the Suns. Its pathetic. Hornacek, how about teaching a thing or two about the other side of the court bud?

You make a lot of good points but I think Marcus has been better than Kieff this year. They were overpaid together but having Marcus for the next 5 years at just about 22 million is a really good deal this year. Kieff making 34 for the next 5 is too much for someone who should be used as the first big off the bench. I'm including their salaries this year in with their extensions, that's why it's a little more than their reported 4 year extensions which kick in next season. Both should have been let play the free agency market though, I doubt they would have gotten a better deal but on their rookie deals with no extension they had a lot of trade value this year that evaporated with their extensions.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yea I probably shouldn't have said Marcus, this was really his only awful game thus far this year.

I still like Kieff better than him though, I think Kieff is good but he's better as a 6th man type guy.

 

[sunsfan88]

Leonard has already gone on record as saying he's staying in SA and that they've communicated the long term plan with him already. As with Butler, I'm guessing Chicago is secretly more willing to give up Rose at this point than Butler.

If not them, then Tobias Harris. We need to make him an offer that Orlando won't match. Even if it means overpaying him now based on potential.

I wonder if Orlando still has interest in Bledsoe and would do a Bledsoe for Harris + fillers swap in December. Magic may not want to pay Harris after the season.

 

[BC867]

As far as I can remember, Eric and I were the only two people here who never bought into this nonsense. BC may have been the third one, but I am not sure about that. Everyone else was all about the two PG thing.

Can't freaking believe it took this long for people to wake up.

I was adamant about not re-signing Bledsoe, not just because of how many games he missed last season, but for his neutralizing Dragic, who rose to a new level without sharing the position. It seemed so obvious that it was not the way to build a strong team.

My concern about the Suns lack of respect for balance goes back to Amar'e as our only big man on the court, ruining his health and his career.

Actually, it goes back to the decade of 212 lb. Alvan Adams at Center leaving our Power Forward as the only big man on the court, thus neutralizing him. It was no surprise that our prototype Power Forward Maurice Lucas wanted out.

For the past two seasons, the idea of two, then three Point Guards on the court at the same time brought lack of balance to a whole new level of ignorance of what it takes to dominate.

It even sounds stupid just to say it. The idea of two or three Point Guards on the court at the same time.

Time to change our name to the PHOENIX NOVELTY. And we are stuck with it.

We were tied with the Clippers at half-time. When we were down by 22 in the 3rd quarter, Steve Albert actually said to Ann Meyers Drysdale, "Annie, what happened?" Duh, Steve, maybe you should keep your eyes on the court. (Yes, I didn't mute the TV sound because of that irritating 5-second delay.)

 

[95pro]

i wish the financials could work, but if the bulls want to get rid of Rose for Bledsoe...just dreaming

 

[Cheesebeef]

i wish the financials could work, but if the bulls want to get rid of Rose for Bledsoe...just dreaming

How would getting Mr. Glass help anything?!

 

[95pro]

our training staff could get a legit all-star back into form, something we don't have on this team