Suns DO want Diener!

[thegrahamcrackr]

Haha, only took a few years of campaigning

No Shake Up
Jan 28 - Even in the face of another "really bad loss," as head coach Brian Hill termed it when the Magic fell Friday night to the lowly Atlanta Hawks, GM Otis Smith said Saturday that he has no plans of seeking a deal that would shake up Orlando's core.
Phoenix has repeatedly inquired about the availability of reserve guard Travis Diener, but Orlando has been reluctant to make a trade because of its unwillingness to take back Marcus Banks and his $20 million contract.

 

[Folster]

Nice! That's why Banks is getting PT. It doesn't make sense for Orlando to trade a pg for a pg though. They already have Nelson and Arroyo. It is going to require a third team in need of a pg. Atl, Cle, Det? Hopefully this happens before the deadline.

 

[green machine]

What if the Suns were to offer Banks and their 1st rounder this year? You think that would be enough?

 

[Folster]

What if the Suns were to offer Banks and their 1st rounder this year? You think that would be enough?

I think it's just a matter of them not needing another pg. I'm sure if we sweeten it enough they might bite, but it will be better if we just found a third team.

I just looked at Deiner's numbers and they don't look all that great. 4.9 ppg, 1.6 apg in 13.9 mpg, only 17 games. Although, he has shot 45% from the field and almost 40% behind the arc. I guess I bought into this board's hype. Why is it that we want him again?

 

[nathan]

What if the Suns were to offer Banks and their 1st rounder this year? You think that would be enough?

At some point Isiah is going to decide he needs another shoot first PG. At that point the Suns can swoop in and trade Banks for David Lee. :inmydreams:

 

[SactownSunsFan]

At some point Isiah is going to decide he needs another shoot first PG. At that point the Suns can swoop in and trade Banks for David Lee. :inmydreams:

True. True. Especially if Francis cant shake his bothersome knee.

 

[Espo]

What about JuJones and a 1st for him?

 

[fordronken]

Am I the only one who thinks it's silly to give up a first round pick for a player who probably won't get any minutes?

 

[SactownSunsFan]

What about JuJones and a 1st for him?

A 1st? Way to much for Travis Diener. From what I've read about him, the only strength in his game is shooting. He is poor at creating off the dribble.

 

[Espo]

A 1st? Way to much for Travis Diener. From what I've read about him, the only strength in his game is shooting. He is poor at creating off the dribble.

Diener in college was a good passer from what I remember of him. Especially when he was feeding it to D-wade. As for is a 1st being way too much, I would rather trade our first for Diener than trade it to get rid of a bad contract or something in the offseason. I mean hell there is a good chance the suns have 3 firsts this year anyways.

 

[panfolk]

Haha, only took a few years of campaigning

I'm happy for you and I hope it gets done. It seems greedy that the suns want to get a project player and ditch a contract at the same time.

 

[azirish]

1. Banks for Diener does not make cap sense. Diener makes $664 K this year and Banks makes $3.6 million.

A deal for Diener and Garrity (expiring contract for $3.5 million) would make some sense only in a pure salary dump. The Magic are projected to have up to $15 million in cap space next summer, so it's improbable that they'd do such a move.

2. Getting Banks would not make sense to the Magic unless they are planning to unload Arroyo (who makes $4 million over the next two years) or Dooling (who makes $3.3 million this year and $3.5 million next). And no, I do not want either of these guys.

Considering the status on the Magic, the only Suns deep bench that might actually help them would be Jalen Rose. Rose is still a very good offensive player who simply can't handle the Suns pace and is not quick enough for their defensive scheme. He might actually get minutes on the Magic.

 

[panfolk]

Considering the status on the Magic, the only Suns deep bench that might actually help them would be Jalen Rose. Rose is still a very good offensive player who simply can't handle the Suns pace and is not quick enough for their defensive scheme. He might actually get minutes on the Magic.

I hope D'A came to this conclusion as well. Maybe he isn't willing to give up enough to get deals done.

 

[panfolk]

Am I the only one who thinks it's silly to give up a first round pick for a player who probably won't get any minutes?

He looks to have more potential than any in this PG weak draft so if it's a need why shouldn't the Suns do it?

 

[azirish]

Diener is very very small (around 160) and not super fast. His main plus is that he was a good ball handler in college and a very good three point shooter.

 

[Chaplin]

What if the Suns were to offer Banks and their 1st rounder this year? You think that would be enough?

Diener is worth no more than our 1st alone. We could do better for Banks AND the 1st.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Diener is worth no more than our 1st alone. We could do better for Banks AND the 1st.

My take is that the first would be included to entice the Magic to take Banks. Marcus has negative trade value right now.

And I would trade the Suns 1st for Diener if he wasn't going to be a FA this summer. Since he is going to be a FA - I don't know if I would do it.

Diener is the perfect backup PG for Nash though, I've posted the reasons 1 time to many I think - I'm not sure everyone could take me going on another rant about him

 

[tobiazz]

Note: Diener just moved ahead of Arroyo on their depth chart, or so I read somewhere.

 

[Chaplin]

My take is that the first would be included to entice the Magic to take Banks. Marcus has negative trade value right now.

I just don't believe that, Andy. Marcus doesn't have a lot of trade value, but he certainly doesn't have NEGATIVE trade value, although most of this board likes to think so. You make it sound like he shouldn't be in the NBA. He's a solid player that may not be the best fit in this system, but that doesn't mean he has negative trade value.

 

[F-Dog]

Ugh.

Even knowing how the fans are obsessed with adding a white backup PG, I still can't believe the fuss that surrounds this poor man's Dan Dickau.


If the Suns are actually interested, I just lost another bit of respect for their front office. If they're offering more than Sean Marks and a 2nd-round pick, that's another chunk of respect out the window...

Fortunately, this is a Florida paper, so this story is probably just Magic execs trying to create some trade buzz for a guy who has no future in their organization.

 

[joshstmarie]

Note: Diener just moved ahead of Arroyo on their depth chart, or so I read somewhere.

arroyo was told it was only to showcase diener for trade reasons. it has nothing to do with eithers play quality.

 

[High Stakes]

I would give up our second round pick this year and anyone off our bench with the following exceptions: KT, Barbosa, James Jones............ORL can have their pick

 

[Covert Rain]

Even knowing how the fans are obsessed with adding a white backup PG

Huh???

There are plenty of fans who could care less about the color of our PG. I don't care if the guy looks like E.T. if he can play. Wait, is Van Exel still playing......?

 

[Muggum]

I feel like we've been down this road with Banks. Let's just stay put and draft three young players...

 

[exquisite]

arroyo was told it was only to showcase diener for trade reasons. it has nothing to do with eithers play quality.

Where did you hear this? I thought the Magic were being pretty quiet about the PG situation.