Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

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i just get a feeling that Bledsoe doesn't want to play for the Suns. You never heard him say anything positive about being with the Suns. I know that the agent controls his communications with the media but I thing his case is extreme. IMO a sign and trade could be best if the Suns could get something of value in return.

IMO too many people make too much of this. It has not been in his best interest to make such a claim. Remember he's looking to get someone to make a high bid for him. Making statements that he loves it there or wants to return is not encouraging to other teams, nor does it make his current team feel as if they need to raise an offer. If I was an agent I would tell my restricted clients to never make a public statement of desire to be there. That may be heartwarming for the fans, but it's bad for getting offers and negotiations with the team itself. He needs to make the Suns feel as if more money will up his desire and he needs other teams to think he wants to leave.
 

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i just get a feeling that Bledsoe doesn't want to play for the Suns. You never heard him say anything positive about being with the Suns. I know that the agent controls his communications with the media but I thing his case is extreme. IMO a sign and trade could be best if the Suns could get something of value in return.

A lot of people have been saying this since last offseason's negotiations. Myself, I don't think the fact that he's a committed introvert is evidence that he hates or loves Phoenix. I think we know virtually nothing about him. He's private and rarely says anything at all.

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A lot of people have been saying this since last offseason's negotiations. Myself, I don't think the fact that he's a committed introvert is evidence that he hates or loves Phoenix. I think we know virtually nothing about him. He's private and rarely says anything at all.

Steve

Yeah, I think you may be right on that, I had a feeling this might be the case. Makes sense especially since he really has said practically nothing to the press the full year that he has been here.
 

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Yeah, I think you may be right on that, I had a feeling this might be the case. Makes sense especially since he really has said practically nothing to the press the full year that he has been here.

When Bledsoe played the Clippers in December, one of his old friends who works at Staples stopped him and asked how he felt about playing in PHX. He indicated that he loved it.

I know it hasn't been widely publicized, but it was mentioned here during the Clippers broadcast of that game.
 

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A lot of people have been saying this since last offseason's negotiations. Myself, I don't think the fact that he's a committed introvert is evidence that he hates or loves Phoenix. I think we know virtually nothing about him. He's private and rarely says anything at all.

Steve

Yeah, I think you may be right on that, I had a feeling this might be the case. Makes sense especially since he really has said practically nothing to the press the full year that he has been here.

but shouldn't his agent help him with his persona?
 

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but shouldn't his agent help him with his persona?

His agent is probably thrilled with his persona. It's much easier to clean up after a player that keeps him mouth closed and his fingers off the keyboard.

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His agent is probably thrilled with his persona. It's much easier to clean up after a player that keeps him mouth closed and his fingers off the keyboard.

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Speaking of which, didn't Bledsoe tweet a picture of himself in a Suns uniform shortly after the FA period started and then quickly took it down?
 

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Speaking of which, didn't Bledsoe tweet a picture of himself in a Suns uniform shortly after the FA period started and then quickly took it down?

I think so. But I wouldn't be shocked to discover that was from one of his agent's lackeys.

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When Bledsoe played the Clippers in December, one of his old friends who works at Staples stopped him and asked how he felt about playing in PHX. He indicated that he loved it.

I know it hasn't been widely publicized, but it was mentioned here during the Clippers broadcast of that game.
Which sounds like he liked the opportunity then to step up into the limelight.

What is going on now is a different story. Especially since his health let him and us down and gave Goran the opportunity to rise clearly to be the top dog on the Suns and 3rd team all-NBA.

Bledsoe is evidently looking to be paid as top dog even though he is still yet to fulfill it. I can't blame him for trying, but he is going to get a dose of reality, unless LeBron wants him in Cleveland at all costs because they are buddies.
 

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I have never bought into the total silence routine from Bledsoe. I've always thought he could have said he would like to remain a Sun or he is happy in Phoenix but it's all in the hands of his agent. I'm not expecting this silence routine from Dragic when he has to make a decision, even if he chooses to move on.
 

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the guy wants all-star, mvp type money but hasn't proven to either or to even stay healthy. I'm not sure why anyone would pay 16 million per year for bledsoe.

The league probably sees the same thing our management sees. Injured and unproven, and with us offering ONLY 12 million the league must put some faith or questions in mind given our medical staff. Wouldn't that arise some questions like; Why won't they pay him, is it something they saw in his physical?
 

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I have never bought into the total silence routine from Bledsoe. I've always thought he could have said he would like to remain a Sun or he is happy in Phoenix but it's all in the hands of his agent. I'm not expecting this silence routine from Dragic when he has to make a decision, even if he chooses to move on.

I think he is playing poker here. He needs another team to make an offer for Phoenix to match. I think if he shows too much love for Phoenix, it could make teams hesitant to make an offer. I wouldn't read too much into it.

The way I look at the Bledsoe-McDonough negotiations of this year, is as a 2 for 1 deal. Whatever the Suns end up paying Bledsoe will have a ton of influence on Dragic's value come time to redo his deal next year. I feel that McDonough standing strong yet remaining respectful is the best course of action.

If the Suns give Dragic and Bledsoe $12M/year each, I think that would represent excellent value and a job well done on McDonough's part.
 

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There's this weird sense of more money equals more want in this (and probably all pro sports) league. We hear all the time, "I feel wanted" because a team was willing to pony up more for whatever the reason to retain or acquire a player. That somehow wanting to pay someone a fair market value means they don't want you. We just had that article quoting Frye saying he felt rejected because he wasn't the Suns first priority. They went to Portland and visited him just to let him know they wanted him back, but because he wasn't their first call or his he takes that to mean he wasn't wanted. I have a hard time understanding this ego drive, but I'm not a millionaire pro athlete. Maybe it just comes with the territory. I'm sure Bledsoe feels "slighted" to some degree because he's let the hype go to his head and likely feels the Suns should bow down to his envisioned value. It's a huge turn off for me and makes it really hard to root for people like this. Every time I hear one of these comments or hear these guys go on about what they are entitled to I like the NBA a little less. Sprewell and his feed his family idiocy always comes to mind and I want to throw up a little and change the channel due to my disgust. Do these people not see how blessed and lucky they are to have a natural ability to play a freaking game that allows them to make such ridiculous money? Look at how we fans talk about how a minimum vet contract is nothing. It's more a year than most of us will see in 10 or 20 years. Many people are concerned that society is becoming desensitized to violence because we see so much on tv and in the movies. I'm wondering if we aren't becoming desensitized to a persons value based on what we pay those who provide our entertainment. Ok, off my soapbox.

At this point I'm hoping for getting fair value when we dump this mess off on some other team.

No problem, I agree. I'd like to point out that we as a society should remember it's supposedly hard to see things from other people's perspective, or live in their shoes, but in all reality, it's quite easy for a sane person do this. You just have to spend the time thinking about it and be honest about the situation. If you do that, you really can walk in another man's shoes.

There is absolutely no legitimate reason for any of these idiots to get upset. The examples you bring up are entirely insane thinking on their part. It's not schizo type mental illness inducing hallucinations, but it IS a case of mental thinking being way off, and there is no legitimate reason for this to occur. Nothing justifiable by anything. Being this or that, doesn't change reality. One's perception might change, but perception is not reality. A perception can become the reality of history, but not because it was the sane/right/correct/optimal thing to do.

We as a society need to call idiocy out for being idiotic, or else we will watch the level of idiocy in our society grow in what seems like an exponential way. We can't give an out or legitimize this. Sadly lots of apologizers do just this.

I'm sure if you or anyone looks around they can find this sort of mental incongruence happening in many places, and that it is indeed speeding up. Sadly many people have deemed it acceptable, or the nature of things. It isn't. You're not crazy and neither am I. We are correctly seeing the idiocy of others and by espousing such facts we should not feel bad about it. It's those that want to pretend this is natural and just and correct that should feel bad, because they are helping perpetuate insanity that can only end badly for us all.

At the end of the day I still like Frye and enjoyed the positive production he would bring in various ways, but there is truth to understanding that it could of been more had he not had a brief lapse of mental fortitude and clarity.

We are all human so perhaps it was just a lapse at the exact wrong time, but at a very critical one. Interestingly enough, when the pressure is on, that's when clarity goes away for many. Pressure increase insanity. Frye must of felt quite a bit with Orlando's offer compared to not knowing what we were going to do. I can understand that, and I can also factor in any sort of potential deadline for the contract Orlando may have given Frye to be valid.

Indeed he took the biggest offer, but it almost sounded like he was trying to justify taking the money. He'll just have to live with more money in Orlando, and we'll have to hope Tolliver replaces him. But perhaps if Frye kept his thinking straight, maybe he's still here. Or perhaps if he had the honesty within himself to accept that it was all about the money for him (which he honestly might not have realized), he wouldn't of resulted to speaking on the record of perceived slights which simply don't pass mustard.

The more I think about it, the more I think Frye cracked under the pressure of having this offer on the table, and simply was not able to wait to figure out what the Suns were going to offer. I can accept that. Sometimes life forces decisions. But of course it was only forced because he forced it to begin with.

But nevertheless it doesn't change that he needed to find a way to cover for that in his own mind, and that through his decision process he conveniently found a way to allow himself to be unloyal to the Suns by perceiving a fake slight.

I think he manufactured that, and this allowed him to mentally take the better offer and feel good about it. Then speak it to a reporter as a way to bounce it off and justify it... make it real. This is one reason I truly believe our press lets us down. Since they just let whatever politician, CEO, sports star says at face value, they let all this crap just slide right on by when they really could influence or after the fact set things in the proper context.

The most important part of our way of life is that it was built off understanding that we are human beings who need to be checked at one time or another, and we should realize we've abandoned all of that. All (or nearly all) the checking mechanisms have been stripped away or abandoned, and that's why we see this sort of casual insanity reaching new heights and becoming ever more pervasive. Not just abandoning it, but celebrating our new found insanity. People defend it as if it's a good thing.

Here or there, an NBA guy signing, a CEO making a decision, whatever, isn't exactly huge. But collectively when what helps keep humans grounded and sane is gone, well then Houston we're going to have a problem. Because none of these guys is getting the proper framing or feedback from their decisions, they're just being coddled and their poor decisions defended. If you say such a structure almost guarantees the opposite of an optimal result, I would wholeheartedly agree.
 

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I think he is playing poker here. He needs another team to make an offer for Phoenix to match. I think if he shows too much love for Phoenix, it could make teams hesitant to make an offer. I wouldn't read too much into it.

The way I look at the Bledsoe-McDonough negotiations of this year, is as a 2 for 1 deal. Whatever the Suns end up paying Bledsoe will have a ton of influence on Dragic's value come time to redo his deal next year. I feel that McDonough standing strong yet remaining respectful is the best course of action.

If the Suns give Dragic and Bledsoe $12M/year each, I think that would represent excellent value and a job well done on McDonough's part.

How about any positive feedback about the Suns. This is not court and taking the 5th amendment.
 

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Gambo said that the Suns put the 4/48 offer on the table a while ago, and they have not heard back from Bledsoe or his agent. It wasn't that they rejected it, they just have not responded to it. My guess is that they are out shopping it to see if they can get more.

I do not know where the 5/80 demand came from. Maybe its just speculation. Maybe its the only offer that Eric would have signed without going out and shopping.

If I am Eric's agent, this is what I would go for. I would say OK, yes, 4/48. But 15, 13, 11, 9 with a player option after 2. The Suns would counter with a player option after 3 and everyone would be happy.
 

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the guy wants all-star, mvp type money but hasn't proven to either or to even stay healthy. I'm not sure why anyone would pay 16 million per year for bledsoe.

The league probably sees the same thing our management sees. Injured and unproven, and with us offering ONLY 12 million the league must put some faith or questions in mind given our medical staff. Wouldn't that arise some questions like; Why won't they pay him, is it something they saw in his physical?

Good post
 

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For all we know Bledsoe is willing to sign for the Suns offer but is just working for a better offer. It isn't like the Suns are going to pull the offer off of the table in the next few weeks.
 

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Gambo said that the Suns put the 4/48 offer on the table a while ago, and they have not heard back from Bledsoe or his agent. It wasn't that they rejected it, they just have not responded to it. My guess is that they are out shopping it to see if they can get more.

I do not know where the 5/80 demand came from. Maybe its just speculation. Maybe its the only offer that Eric would have signed without going out and shopping.

If I am Eric's agent, this is what I would go for. I would say OK, yes, 4/48. But 15, 13, 11, 9 with a player option after 2. The Suns would counter with a player option after 3 and everyone would be happy.

Yeah, I think the only info was that "The Suns have offered 4/48. Bledsoe is seeking 5/80. Sides far apart" - That was then twisted to "Bledsoe rejects the Suns offer of 4/48", but that wasn't really a part of the original info that was leaked.

However, the media I guess is able to twist that into Bledsoe "rejecting" the offer, just because "rejecting" is ambiguous & can be defined as just "not to one's taste" ... Which I guess is true

All the above and how the media twists things and/or says vague things or uses words that are ambiguous is why a lot of info coming out doesn't mean anything ... I try not to pay attention to much of it
 

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Bledsoe's options are very limited right now. Most teams have spent their money and aren't going to give him what he, apparently, thinks he deserves.

The Suns hold ALL the leverage here and should stick firm with what they feel he is worth to them. If all he does is sign the tender and becomes an UFA after next season, then so be it.

This is not a player that is vital enough to hold them hostage in any way, shape or form IMO. 4 years $48 mil is more than fair and he should snap it up, he will not get a better deal I don't think.
 

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the guy wants all-star, mvp type money but hasn't proven to either or to even stay healthy. I'm not sure why anyone would pay 16 million per year for bledsoe.

The league probably sees the same thing our management sees. Injured and unproven, and with us offering ONLY 12 million the league must put some faith or questions in mind given our medical staff. Wouldn't that arise some questions like; Why won't they pay him, is it something they saw in his physical?

MVP = one player. All star type = 25 players (thereabouts). There's a big difference between the two. I see nothing wrong with Bledsoe's agent trying to get him paid like an All star, he played like one for half the season. I see nothing wrong with the Suns being reluctant to pay him at that level, he only played like a star for half a season. This is just a process, not an indictment of his playing ability nor a statement about his medical condition. Or, at least, not necessarily an indictment or a statement.

The Salary cap is set up so each team can pay two players the max or near max. That means Eric has to project as one of the 60 best players for the next 4 or 5 seasons to warrant a max contract. I don't see that as so far out of line.

I'd like our offer to be tempered somewhat because there is a legitimate injury concern and there's also the possibility that more court time will allow opponents to counter his unique strengths. But even still, he's shown to be a difference maker with us and we will be a lesser team if we give him up for a collection of beans as many have suggested we do. Letting him go for anything less than an all star level player sets us back in the re-build process.

We finally have a player that plays excellent defense. I sure hope we find a way to keep him.

Steve
 

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MVP = one player. All star type = 25 players (thereabouts). There's a big difference between the two. I see nothing wrong with Bledsoe's agent trying to get him paid like an All star, he played like one for half the season. I see nothing wrong with the Suns being reluctant to pay him at that level, he only played like a star for half a season. This is just a process, not an indictment of his playing ability nor a statement about his medical condition. Or, at least, not necessarily an indictment or a statement.

The Salary cap is set up so each team can pay two players the max or near max. That means Eric has to project as one of the 60 best players for the next 4 or 5 seasons to warrant a max contract. I don't see that as so far out of line.

I'd like our offer to be tempered somewhat because there is a legitimate injury concern and there's also the possibility that more court time will allow opponents to counter his unique strengths. But even still, he's shown to be a difference maker with us and we will be a lesser team if we give him up for a collection of beans as many have suggested we do. Letting him go for anything less than an all star level player sets us back in the re-build process.

We finally have a player that plays excellent defense. I sure hope we find a way to keep him.

Steve

I definitely don't want to give him max money but if the Suns can sweeten the offer a bit I am game. For the longest time the fans have been saying this team needs to get better on defense. He plays good defense and I too hope we can find a way to keep him.
 

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How about any positive feedback about the Suns. This is not court and taking the 5th amendment.

Exactly. There have been FAs who say that they want to come back and then leave due to financial reasons. Frye is one. Hill was one. Amare was another. Sure there are others who don't come to mind.

This year both Parsons and Hayward.
 

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I definitely don't want to give him max money but if the Suns can sweeten the offer a bit I am game. For the longest time the fans have been saying this team needs to get better on defense. He plays good defense and I too hope we can find a way to keep him.

I'm a big Bledsoe fan but I really don't see why we'd even sweeten the offer. Our reported offer seems about right to me given what others went for. Sure, Irving went for a lot more but he did make the All Star team and took home the MVP for that game. I think he's overrated but winning that MVP helps his off court value and that probably had something to do with that stupid contract.

Until his agent comes back with a better offer, I say we stand pat. It's only July, I don't see the need to hurry. He can't really hold out and it makes no sense for him to take the QO even ignoring the injury risk. He'd be giving up 8 or 9 million to do that with no guarantees that he'd make that money up. We're in the drivers seat, might as well enjoy the trip.

If he comes back with an offer around 14 million then it will be decision time. If our medical staff believes he has a significantly higher chance of missing a bunch of games over the life of the contract than we probably need to do a sign and trade even if we lose a little value in the deal. But if his risks aren't much different than any other player, I'd go ahead and match any offer he received.

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I'm a big Bledsoe fan but I really don't see why we'd even sweeten the offer. Our reported offer seems about right to me given what others went for. Sure, Irving went for a lot more but he did make the All Star team and took home the MVP for that game. I think he's overrated but winning that MVP helps his off court value and that probably had something to do with that stupid contract.

Steve

Its Lowry money, which is about right. I wouldn't sweeten it. I might consider a player option at some point.
 
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