Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

[Chaz]

Why is Sarver putting himself back in the limelight? He has a GM. Perhaps if he waved his foam finger in private, something could get accomplished.

I think he just wanted to calm Gambo down. Not really the limelight. Although, Gambo was getting some national attention to his open letter to Bledsoe.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think he just wanted to calm Gambo down. Not really the limelight. Although, Gambo was getting some national attention to his open letter to Bledsoe.

Thats a good point, especially because so many have viewed Sarver as Gambo's source within the organization. He would not want it to seem as though Gambo was speaking with his voice.

 

[KloD]

I'd do Bledsoe for Irving in a sign and trade. This might make King, agent, Bledsoe, Suns and just about everybody except Gilbert happy.

Wonder if Lebron would actually go for this?

NO! I would rather take back a couple of pizza's and a bottle of tequila. I have zero interest in Irving playing for the Suns for free and a heck of a lot less for the money he is due.

 

[AzStevenCal]

NO! I would rather take back a couple of pizza's and a bottle of tequila. I have zero interest in Irving playing for the Suns for free and a heck of a lot less for the money he is due.

Not a great idea AFAIC. I don't drink. Now, if you substitute the Tequila for a 6 pack of throwback Pepsi's, I'd be all over this deal. As for the Pizza I'm thinking Sausage, Pepperoni, Onions, Mushrooms and Peppers.

Keep Phoenix a Kyrie-free zone! With Love likely joining Lebron in Cleveland, Kyrie's presence is the only real chance the rest of the league has.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

 

[Phoenix219]

go to probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/report-looking-like-eric-bledsoe-will-take-suns-qualifying-offer/

I can't post links yet, my posts were decreased under 20 when the board had trouble earlier in the week.

Looks like Mr. Glass is about to gamble his entire career on this season....

Wow.

He must really think his crap doesn't stink and truly think he's a max player, or he really wants out of Phoenix *bad*....

 

[Mainstreet]

go to probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/report-looking-like-eric-bledsoe-will-take-suns-qualifying-offer/

I can't post links yet, my posts were decreased under 20 when the board had trouble earlier in the week.

Looks like Mr. Glass is about to gamble his entire career on this season....

Wow.

He must really think his crap doesn't stink and truly think he's a max player, or he really wants out of Phoenix *bad*....

I'm so tired of Bledsoe right now. Let him take the qualifying offer or do a sign and trade. I'm not sure his body is going to hold up anyway.

 

[Phoenix219]

I'm so tired of Bledsoe right now. Let him take the qualifying offer or do a sign and trade. I'm not sure his body is going to hold up anyway.

It doesn't make any sense. If he knows that he's not going to hold up, and that is the reason he is insisting on getting as much as he can this early, then theres no way he's going to take the QO. How far is he going to try to stretch this? If he thinks he's calling OUR bluff, he may be sadly mistaken....

 

[elindholm]

The Thomas signing is looking better all the time. Bledsoe is a better player, but if his relationship with the Suns falls apart, they already have their backup plan in place.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

go to probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/report-looking-like-eric-bledsoe-will-take-suns-qualifying-offer/

I can't post links yet, my posts were decreased under 20 when the board had trouble earlier in the week.

Looks like Mr. Glass is about to gamble his entire career on this season....

Wow.

He must really think his crap doesn't stink and truly think he's a max player, or he really wants out of Phoenix *bad*....

Wow that is some bad advice he has been given. I know he is really young, but this looks like a poor decision from my point of view. I will be rooting for him to stay healthy, but another knee injury and I don't he gets a $48 million dollar offer.

 

[Phoenix219]

Wow that is some bad advice he has been given. I know he is really young, but this looks like a poor decision from my point of view. I will be rooting for him to stay healthy, but another knee injury and I don't he gets a $48 million dollar offer.

Even if he gets the max, he's wasting an entire year now that he could be making multi millions. Even if he gets what he wants, after taking the QO, he .... breaks even?

This makes no sense.

I have to just think that he doesn't want to be here, at this point.

 

[leclerc]

Bubbye Bled.

 

[devilalum]

Not a great idea AFAIC. I don't drink. Now, if you substitute the Tequila for a 6 pack of throwback Pepsi's, I'd be all over this deal. As for the Pizza I'm thinking Sausage, Pepperoni, Onions, Mushrooms and Peppers.

Keep Phoenix a Kyrie-free zone! With Love likely joining Lebron in Cleveland, Kyrie's presence is the only real chance the rest of the league has.

Steve

I don't get all the hate for Irving. He's 22 and IMO has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe the Fragilian.

 

[Mainstreet]

Even if he gets the max, he's wasting an entire year now that he could be making multi millions. Even if he gets what he wants, after taking the QO, he .... breaks even?

This makes no sense.

I have to just think that he doesn't want to be here, at this point.

I too have thought this for a long time but some think it's just business. IMO, it is water over the dam unless the Suns capitulate in a significant manner. Even then it seems like a replay of the Joe Johnson situation except he had another team that wanted him for big money.

 

[BC867]

I have to just think that he doesn't want to be here, at this point.

His lack of effort to reach out to Suns fans has really made that clear.

There is no doubt that it is why the Suns obtained Thomas as backup Point Guard.

As I have posted all along, the sooner we can settle in with a good starting and backup Point Guard rotation of Dragic and Thomas, then make some decisions/moves to solidify starting and backup Shooting Guards, the sooner the Suns and its fans can move forward.

It really seemed evident that the 2 lead Point Guard concept would falter for many reasons. Especially when you factor in Bledsoe's leg problems to date.

 

[Phoenix219]

JJ would have resigned the previous year for a fair but above market value contract, much like the one that Bledsoe is turning down. Sarver was being cheap then (although with all the cash just spent on Nash and Q, and JJ's inconsistency, it wasn't without warrant.) It wasn't until the next year that JJ demanded his max, and made it clear he didn't want to be the 4th option. If we had been as cool to JJ from the beginning as we have been with Bledsoe, we would have had him locked down before the magical season even started.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't get all the hate for Irving. He's 22 and IMO has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe the Fragilian.

if Bledsoe is The Fragilian, then Irving is Mr. Freaking Glass from Unbreakable. Irving missed half of his only season in college. Missed 30 games his rookie year. Missed 22 games his 2nd year. And missed 10 games this year. And he's done nothing to show himself to be an impact maker like Bledsoe has off the bench for a good Clipper team and as a starter for what was a very good Suns team when he was healthy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't get all the hate for Irving. He's 22 and IMO has a higher ceiling than Bledsoe the Fragilian.

I don't see the higher ceiling but that has little to do with my disliking the idea of trading for Irving. From what I've seen, he is the most obvious example in many years of a star that does little to improve his team. The last I heard the Cavs were a bottom 5 defensive team when he was on the floor and a top 5 defensive team when he was on the bench. And offensively he has remarkably similar stats to Isaiah Thomas who will not be averaging 16 million per for the next 5 years.

He has talent, he's very popular and he is only 22. Like Vince Carter, he will be a tremendous National and probably International star for years to come. But right now the pluses end there IMO.

Steve

 

[3rdside]

go to probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/report-looking-like-eric-bledsoe-will-take-suns-qualifying-offer/

I can't post links yet, my posts were decreased under 20 when the board had trouble earlier in the week.

Looks like Mr. Glass is about to gamble his entire career on this season....

Wow.

He must really think his crap doesn't stink and truly think he's a max player, or he really wants out of Phoenix *bad*....

This is what i fear, that he'll take the QO because he is so confident that he's far better than what we're giving him credit for. I'm inclined to side with his confidence, that he is much better than what we're giving him credit for.

i) I don't think he wants to leave Phoenix because we're a good situation for him, I just think he wants to get paid more than what we're offering, and more than Kyle freaking Lowry. Which i don't think is unreasonable.

(ii) I don't have too much concern about his injuries - they're meniscus issues in opposite knees and both have now been corrected; no micro-fractures, ACL's etc, although i'm not a Dr so maybe that's where the reluctance from the Suns to pay more comes from. Although based on Sarver's history i'm inclined to believe Sarver's playing tough, when really I'd prefer some flexibility from him e.g. a $50-$52m / 4yr deal, as i've already said, that is less than what Bledsoe would like, but enough that he doesn't really entertain the thought of taking the QO.

There cannot be too many positive outcomes from where we stand right now barring an increase in the offer from the Suns (IMO) or sign and trade (that probably doesn't exist considering what's out there).

 

[Chaz]

Although based on Sarver's history i'm inclined to believe Sarver's playing tough, when really I'd prefer some flexibility from him e.g. a $50-$52m / 4yr deal, as i've already said, that is less than what Bledsoe would like, but enough that he doesn't really entertain the thought of taking the QO.

The thing is how do we know what Bledsoe will take? What if he laughs at 52M?
Sarver indicated he is willing to negotiate but all reports are that they are VERY far apart.
What if he wants 80 or nothing? What if his lowest number is 65 or 70M?
Should Sarver have 20+ M of flexibility when he is bidding against himself?

 

[Mainstreet]

The thing is how do we know what Bledsoe will take? What if he laughs at 52M?
Sarver indicated he is willing to negotiate but all reports are that they are VERY far apart.
What if he wants 80 or nothing? What if his lowest number is 65 or 70M?
Should Sarver have 20+ M of flexibility when he is bidding against himself?

You are correct. Sarver has said he is willing to negotiate if Bledsoe will come to the bargaining table. I have to think the Suns would up their base offer to some extent. Let's put it this way, I don't think the Suns are hung up over a few million more.

 

[3rdside]

Okay, good to know that upping the offer is likely; it makes sense that the Suns shouldn't be too hung up on a few million more. It still begs the question whether the low ball offer is due to:

- Sarver 'using the market efficiently'

or

- Sarver having the foresight to see that Bledsoe's agent would ask for the max and therefore wanting to counter this in the strongest possible way (I think it's fair to say Bledsoe isn't a max player with his injury history and lack of starter minutes to date).

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think it's probably a combination of both. As much as I don't like Lowry, he does act as a legitimate benchmark.

 

[elindholm]

It still begs the question whether the low ball offer is due to

It's not a lowball offer. Most analysts on national sites think that it's more than fair as it is. Bledsoe considering himself a max player is not part of the equation. His value is not determined by his opinion of himself.

 

[3rdside]

It's not a lowball offer. Most analysts on national sites think that it's more than fair as it is. Bledsoe considering himself a max player is not part of the equation. His value is not determined by his opinion of himself.

Agreed - i think i worked myself to that conclusion as I was writing the post

 

[Absolute Zero]

There is so much posturing going on in this "negotiation", it is getting a little ridiculous.

Bledsoe's camp is manipulating Chris Brousard and the national press. The Suns are manipulating the local press.

And this Board goes crazy with every head fake and new manipulative move. 30 pages of discussion. LOL.