Suns fans turned on Marion?

[pokerface]

Seems like some real dissing on the Matrix going on. I dont see anything he's done as so terrible. OK so he's went to the media a little bit...he's almost forced to at times because they're always asking him about some "Marion trade" rumor. His player option next year also seems to put the spotlight on him...decisions have to be made. Not everything falls on his head....Marion wants the best deal for himself...the Suns want the best deal they can get for him or out of him. There is no good guy bad guy! Everyone has their own angle...Fans sometimes need to butt out of the business side and let it run its course.

Marion has been a loyal, durable, high producing player for a lot of years for the Suns. For the most part he's seemed pretty good natured from what I've gathered. Just seems like he's getting nitpicked to death around here...If he wants to stay he's bad...if he wants to go he's bad...if he mentions where he wants to play or not play he's bad....if he brings up money he's bad. He's not saying or doing anything that a bunch of other players havn't already done. When KG was getting shopped too he was vocal about what he wanted....it didn't phase you guys at all...no one labled him a malcontent....I guess it depends on what side of the fence you're sitting on. Marion is in a tricky part of his career because of age and money factors...plus having a team thats constantly rumored to be dealing him.

Marion may be out the door and considering a lot of factors it may be for the best but I'm not going to hate on him unless he totally shoots his mouth off. I doubt he'll do that though.

Peace out MATRIX!

 

[schutd]

Sorry dude, its his unfortunate timing. He had the opportunity to not only get out of Phoenix, but do it with some class while helping the team that made him one of the highest paid players in the league. he didnt. He nixed it. NOW when our backs are against the wall, its time for a trade????

My tinderbox bridge is burned. True he didnt do anything wrong, but its time to circle the wagons. And I do that around my team, not its individuals. Bye Bye Matrix. Good times. Too bad you'll be leaving such a crappy taste in my mouth.

 

[pokerface]

Sorry dude, its his unfortunate timing. He had the opportunity to not only get out of Phoenix, but do it with some class while helping the team that made him one of the highest paid players in the league. he didnt. He nixed it. NOW when our backs are against the wall, its time for a trade????

My tinderbox bridge is burned. True he didnt do anything wrong, but its time to circle the wagons. And I do that around my team, not its individuals. Bye Bye Matrix. Good times. Too bad you'll be leaving such a crappy taste in my mouth.

The Suns have been talking to teams about dealing him for YEARS. You dont think that wore Marion down? Now he's had it and is looking out for his own end more and that makes him the bad guy? Whats he supposed to say..."Deal me wherever and pay me what you want"...he's no stooge!

 

[slinslin]

This is the NBA, teams are talking trade all the time, Marion is a big baby.

 

[pokerface]

This is the NBA, teams are talking trade all the time, Marion is a big baby.

Whats with the "teams" Slin? The Suns team has been shopping Marion for quite a while....years.

 

[BuddyFranklin]

Without knowing the COMPLETE story i will restrain from jumping all over Marion and warning him to watch the door on the way out. Shawn's been one of the greatest, loyalest and hardest working servants for the Phoenix Suns so cut him a little slack and show some respect.

If he goes, fine, but he's still a Sun so i'm sticking by the Matrix.

 

[pokerface]

Without knowing the COMPLETE story i will restrain from jumping all over Marion and warning him to watch the door on the way out. Shawn's been one of the greatest, loyalest and hardest working servants for the Phoenix Suns so cut him a little slack and show some respect.

If he goes, fine, but he's still a Sun so i'm sticking by the Matrix.

Thats my opinion also.


No point bad mouthing him now if we have to part ways. Things dont always have to end with bad blood do they??

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Whats with the "teams" Slin? The Suns team has been shopping Marion for quite a while....years.

The NBA is a business. You hear those same words coming out of Shawn's mouth.

Suck it up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Things dont always have to end with bad blood do they??

Yes, they do.

 

[BC867]

Things don't always have to end with bad blood do they??

Things -- maybe not.

A prima donna ballplayer (the highest paid on the Suns) supposedly nixing a trade that would have brought Kevin Garnett (and a Championship) here . . . then going to the Press to encourage a trade afterwards. Yes.

People should be held accountable for their behavior.

 

[AsUdUdE]

yeah... For how lond he has played for the suns, being drafted here and all, We collectively SHOULD feel more loyalty to Marion who has only known the suns as home ffor the past 10 years.....

However, we do, I DO, I will lose NO SLEEP, if/when he is dealt, even if it is for a high draft pick and expireing contract, we are so close the the luxery tax, that we could use that extra 15-18 million on a player WE REALLY like....

If we can get Odom.. great, AK-47... great, Chris Wilcox and a 2007 first round pick...great...

Get what we can get for him and move on!

 

[Chaplin]

On the court, Marion has been great for us. Except for his famous playoff disappearances, I loved the Matrix in the game.

However, off the court he has been a complete embarrassment and a huge source of frustration. The guy is our highest-paid player and he CONSISTENTLY complains. About EVERYTHING! It is really one of the most disappointing things about him over the years.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's all about the money... for the Suns and Shawn. What I can't figure out is that Shawn didn't see this coming. He was not going to get a contract extension in Phoenix for apparently the money he wanted.... or perhaps Shawn did see it coming and nixed the Boston trade in hopes of playing with Kobe.

 

[mribnik]

Sorry dude, its his unfortunate timing. He had the opportunity to not only get out of Phoenix, but do it with some class while helping the team that made him one of the highest paid players in the league. he didnt. He nixed it. NOW when our backs are against the wall, its time for a trade????

My tinderbox bridge is burned. True he didnt do anything wrong, but its time to circle the wagons. And I do that around my team, not its individuals. Bye Bye Matrix. Good times. Too bad you'll be leaving such a crappy taste in my mouth.

I just mentioned this in another post and I don't buy it at all. Marion didn't nix anything, Boston did. Marion doesn't have a no-trade clause and he has no power to nix anything. When the GM's start listening to whiny players they give up their power to the players. Like the Bucks did with Yi, Boston should've called Marion's bluff and accepted the trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just mentioned this in another post and I don't buy it at all. Marion didn't nix anything, Boston did. Marion doesn't have a no-trade clause and he has no power to nix anything. When the GM's start listening to whiny players they give up their power to the players. Like the Bucks did with Yi, Boston should've called Marion's bluff and accepted the trade.

Marion nixed it by apparently not agreeing to an extension with Boston. It effectively works much as a no-trade clause.

 

[ryanshaug]

I've always defended Marion and liked him as a player - but this is horrible timing, and I'm sick of his overpaid act. Get him out of here and let him go be a loser with the Lakers.

 

[mribnik]

Marion nixed it by apparently not agreeing to an extension with Boston. It effectively works much as a no-trade clause.

Everybody knows Marion isn't going to get $20 million but everybody knows he's going to try as hard as he can to get it. Boston isn't required to sign a player to an extension to get a trade done. They accept the trade and have 2 years to extend Marion.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't like the idea of trading Shawn to the team of his choice particularly because he is friends with Kobe. It's just the principle of the idea for me. However, if the Suns could get a deal they can't refuse (like unloading Banks with him), then I would consider it. Actually I believe Shawn would help Utah more than LA if Utah wanted to run more. They have the better PG to execute the offense.

 

[mribnik]

I don't like the idea of trading Shawn to the team of his choice particularly because he is friends with Kobe. It's just the principle of the idea for me. However, if the Suns could get a deal they can't refuse (like unloading Banks with him), then I would consider it. Actually I believe Shawn would help Utah more than LA if Utah wanted to run more. They have the better PG to execute the offense.

That's the only reason the Suns should consider trading him in the first place. Marion's desire to be traded should play no part in it. However, knowing that Marion wouldn't mind being traded, they should make a deal only if it's a great deal. They should be getting at least equal value for him. Otherwise they should just keep Marion.

 

[Mainstreet]

Everybody knows Marion isn't going to get $20 million but everybody knows he's going to try as hard as he can to get it. Boston isn't required to sign a player to an extension to get a trade done. They accept the trade and have 2 years to extend Marion.

I think most teams don't want to gamble on losing an important player unless there is an agreement to sign an extension. I think Marion wants even more money or about the same if he extends his contract. I'm thinking the Suns would let Odom walk after two years if he wanted too much money. It's all in the mind set of the team.

 

[mribnik]

I think most teams don't want to gamble on losing an important player unless there is an agreement to sign an extension. I think Marion wants even more money or about the same if he extends his contract. I'm thinking the Suns would let Odom walk after two years if he wanted too much money. It's all in the mind set of the team.

I agree, but I just don't think it's much of a gamble, especially in Marion's case. The Bucks took a big "gamble" in drafting Yi and everything worked out fine. Two years is a long time and I think Boston should've called Marion's bluff. I think it's clear that Marion wasn't going to sign an extension unless it was around 3 years for 20 million, which nobody was going to offer him. He'd realize that eventually in Boston and get a nice extension from them anyways. It's not like Marion is obsessed with going to a winning team, or he wouldn't want out of Phoenix to begin with.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just another thought. Marion had an opt out after this coming season so if he didn't want to go to Boston (as was apparently proposed) they would only be guaranteed one year of his service. Thus a contract extension becomes critical in a Marion trade.

 

[mribnik]

Just another thought. Marion had an opt out after next season so if he didn't want to go to Boston (as was apparently proposed) they would only be guaranteed one year of his service. Thus a contract extension becomes critical in a Marion trade.

That's also true, but if Marion opts out of 17 million hoping for more, he's crazy. ). I bet he eventually takes a contract for 3-4 years for 12 million a year.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's also true, but if Marion opts out of 17 million hoping for more, he's crazy. ). I bet he eventually takes a contract for 3-4 years for 12 million a year.

Trades are fun to talk about.

However, if Marion is traded this may define Kerr as a GM. IMO, he has not done that well to date.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here's a link to Dan Bickely's comments at azcentral.com:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/7743