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Well...this is a concerning tweet...

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Well...this is a concerning tweet...

I'm really not that worried about finding a GM for a franchise that has Ayton and Booker. Sarver may insert himself at the wrong times, but this was a move that should have been made long ago.
 

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I'm really not that worried about finding a GM for a franchise that has Ayton and Booker. Sarver may insert himself at the wrong times, but this was a move that should have been made long ago.

Agree. The foundation has been laid. McD could very well be Heinke v.2.0 here. All the new GM has to do is put competent players around Ayton, JJ, and Booker.
 

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Definitive proof that Earl Watson was THE WORST:

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I'm really not that worried about finding a GM for a franchise that has Ayton and Booker. Sarver may insert himself at the wrong times, but this was a move that should have been made long ago.
Should have fired him before giving him an extension. Apparently Saver dont mind paying $$$$ for people not in the organization anymore?
 

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I hate to say it but i sometimes think Sarver could be the real problem. Mcdonough made some terrible moves, but much of that was sarver pulling the strings behind the scenes?

There has seemed to be some serious contradicting moves in recent years which would ellude to some internal differences...
 

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How long until we trade Warren, Bender and pick from Phoenix and Miami to Minnesota, Jimmy Butler goes to Miami, Dragic to Phoenix?
 

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I hate to say it but i sometimes think Sarver could be the real problem. Mcdonough made some terrible moves, but much of that was sarver pulling the strings behind the scenes?

There has seemed to be some serious contradicting moves in recent years which would ellude to some internal differences...

Undoubtedly, Sarver is a problem. There has been almost no managerial continuity since he has been the owner... and very little continuity on the roster.
 

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I wouldn't buy anything into that..

just typical lazy reporting by national media

they see anything about the Suns like this and they bring back the easiest, laziest storyline again. It gets boring imo.

Woj is the least lazy media person you will find.
 

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I liked McD at first, but his lack of interpersonal skills really handicapped him. Way too many soured relationships and players leaving angry. McD would also talk poo about them on the way out the door.

At least we have Booker and Ayton going forward.

I'm not sure what to make of James Johnson as a GM. I'm not sure he has the experience to build a roster and we need that to not mess up the core we have.
 

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OK. Letting this register a bit.

1. Regarding the timing. I don't think this is a bad time really. Let Ryan have his summer and do his work. Once he has his team together, evaluate it and see if that is what you want. He is not a coach, so firing early in the season is not an issue. This gives time to get a new GM in place and prepare for free agency and the draft next summer. It is better to fire and hire now than any other time.
2. We are poised for next summer's free agency. Giving Sarver the benefit of the doubt, maybe he came to the conclusion that McD was not going to be able to close the deal with free agents next summer.
3. Is Sarver involved because he felt McD was not up to the task? Is there anyone he would trust to run the show so that he can step away?
4. My concern would be hiring a new rookie GM. The learning curve is painful.
 

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

He also lazily suggested that we would want Jeff Teague if he became available without having any sources on that.
Yeah, so many people take Woj's word as gospel, but what they fail to understand is that some of his stuff is based on opinion and not fact.
 

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

He also lazily suggested that we would want Jeff Teague if he became available without having any sources on that.
He is allowed to have an opinion.
 

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He is allowed to have an opinion.
dude lives off of fast firing news blips on twitter

tweeting about Sarver meddling is an easy story to tweet that nobody is going to hold against him and most fans are going to accept as Woj insider news because it is believable to the masses.

dont buy it
 

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Needed to be done but the timing of it won't endear the job to other candidates. And it was a tough sell anyways with Sarver at the helm.

Somebody get the 'Sarver Sucks' billboard gofundme going.
 

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dude lives off of fast firing news blips on twitter

tweeting about Sarver meddling is an easy story to tweet that nobody is going to hold against him and most fans are going to accept as Woj insider news because it is believable to the masses.

dont buy it
Every bit of information we get puts Sarver right in the middle of every decision--even the little comments that McD has made over the years about making decisions as a group. Listen, there is nothing wrong with having an involved owner. Involved owners are everywhere in pro sports. The key is the type of involvement.

Again. I am not sure I like this move in that it means breaking in a new GM. People love James Jones, but there is no indication he can negotiate a deal, not get taken in trades etc.

The timing of this doesn't bother me. He is a GM, not a coach. He was evaluated on his body of work over the summer and fired. Better now than later if it is going to happen.
 

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dude lives off of fast firing news blips on twitter

tweeting about Sarver meddling is an easy story to tweet that nobody is going to hold against him and most fans are going to accept as Woj insider news because it is believable to the masses.

dont buy it
Sarver is god awful both as an owner and a human being. Ask 99% of people who know him.
 

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Needed to be done but the timing of it won't endear the job to other candidates. And it was a tough sell anyways with Sarver at the helm.

Somebody get the 'Sarver Sucks' billboard gofundme going.
There is nothing wrong with the timing. Why would there be? This is the slow time for most GM's

Besides. James Jones has the job sewed up. Watch.
 

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