Suns fire McD

[Covert Rain]

dude lives off of fast firing news blips on twitter

tweeting about Sarver meddling is an easy story to tweet that nobody is going to hold against him and most fans are going to accept as Woj insider news because it is believable to the masses.

dont buy it

Huh!? What about us fans that have breathed, watched and supported this organization since forever!? What about the story after story after story of Sarver, his antics at ownership meetings, genius ideas like running the team like a business?

Come on. There is enough about this owner on public display and other stories that hardly makes this story unbelievable. In fact, it’s on par with him since he bought the team.

Who has been the constant? It’s been him.

I give him credit for staying under the radar over the past couple seasons but that doesn’t mean behind the scenes he has changed one bit.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Huh!? What about us fans that have breathed, watched and supported this organization since forever!? What about the story after story after story of Sarver, his antics at ownership meetings, genius ideas like running the team like a business?

Come on. There is enough about this owner on public display and other stories that hardly makes this story unbelievable. In fact, it’s on par with him since he bought the team.

Who has been the constant? It’s been him.

I give him credit for staying under the radar over the past couple seasons but that doesn’t mean behind the scenes he has changed one bit.

You can say that about any hands on owner. Mike Bidwill is a hands on owner and could be seen as cut from the same cloth as Saver. In every meeting, personally signing every player, along with possibly every aspect of running the team? The thing with Mike, he knows not to run his mouth or act the fool as Saver does.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

You can say that about any hands on owner. Mike Bidwill is a hands on owner and could be seen as cut from the same cloth as Saver. In every meeting, personally signing every player, along with possibly every aspect of running the team? The thing with Mike, he knows not to run his mouth or act the fool as Saver does.

Good comparison. I think the difference is Bidwill has experience in football as his family has owned it forever, and understands to a much higher degree the division of expertise. Being involved and micromanaging two different things...

 

[sunsfan88]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

McD Draft Record


3 good picks in Ayton ,Booker and warren and what looks like maybe 5 busts in the top 10 (Len, Bender, Chriss, Jackson, Bridges).. a bust in the top 20 in Ennis and a bunch of useless late picks first/early second picks (Goodwin, Ulis, Reed)

Lol. Jesus Christ.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

hopefully not but he could very well be one

You could say that about this entire draft too. They literally haven’t played a single nba game. Cmon slin try to be reasonable.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Dudley needs to mind his own effing business. He didn't hold up to his end of the bargain in his second contract here.

Caveat emptor when you sign a former pillsbury doughboy.

 

[Hoop Head]

Bordow weighs in on the timing seeming off but if the Teague/Minnesota rumor is more than that, that would make sense as a reason to fire McD but who knows if that can be resurrected at this point.

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[Mainstreet]

I think McDonough not having a point guard in place to start the season speaks volumes.

The puzzler for me is why he didn't use draft assets (#16, future Miami pick and even the Bucks pick) to help make a trade for one.

 

[Ronin]

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[Covert Rain]

You can say that about any hands on owner. Mike Bidwill is a hands on owner and could be seen as cut from the same cloth as Saver. In every meeting, personally signing every player, along with possibly every aspect of running the team? The thing with Mike, he knows not to run his mouth or act the fool as Saver does.

No actually you can’t. Many of the hands on owners know the sport. Grew up in the sport. Can you name a bunch of owner who thought it was a good Idea to let non-basketball guys (or fill in sport here) run there team?!

 

[Willie D]

Dear Suns Fans:

You are all worthless. The Sarverfish is doing a great job at running your hometown hoops team. Just like I did.

Sincerely,
Donald Sterling

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

OK. Letting this register a bit.

1. Regarding the timing. I don't think this is a bad time really. Let Ryan have his summer and do his work. Once he has his team together, evaluate it and see if that is what you want. He is not a coach, so firing early in the season is not an issue. This gives time to get a new GM in place and prepare for free agency and the draft next summer. It is better to fire and hire now than any other time.
2. We are poised for next summer's free agency. Giving Sarver the benefit of the doubt, maybe he came to the conclusion that McD was not going to be able to close the deal with free agents next summer.
3. Is Sarver involved because he felt McD was not up to the task? Is there anyone he would trust to run the show so that he can step away?
4. My concern would be hiring a new rookie GM. The learning curve is painful.

I don’t have a problem with the timing moving forward, but rather looking backward. If you’ve had the gm for four years and you have even the slightest reservations about him you don’t let him keep the keys for the most important offseason in perhaps suns history.

 

[Hoop Head]

The timing of this doesn't bother me. He is a GM, not a coach. He was evaluated on his body of work over the summer and fired. Better now than later if it is going to happen.

How fair is an evaluation before they've played a single game though? Yes, it's a mismatched roster but it seemed fine last year to make Booker the PG for a stretch and that could have been part of the plan this year, we don't know. Firing the GM for a roster he assembled before they played a game is odd. There are plenty of reasons to fire him but that would have been better before training camp or preseason started if Sarver didn't care for the roster that much. The timing is weird with this.

As far as Sarver getting bashed for his involvement, if the Suns were winning there wouldn't be a thing in the news about his involvement just like Cuban is rarely mentioned unless he says something to get fined. The Mavericks are losing now and I wouldn't be surprised to see stories about how long his title will buy him as owner if they keep losing. It will take time but it will happen if they keep losing 40-50+ games. Sarver was bashed initially because he wasn't Colangelo, he was called cheap when we had one of the highest payrolls in the league. The initial Sarver bashing was more for his sophomoric antics than his meddling. Now that we've missed the playoffs for 8 years, it's about how

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems like the firing is focused on the Suns short term future. At the risk of being redundant.

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[sunsfan88]

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[Hoop Head]

With how direct and blunt he was when making comments about players after trading them I would actually really like to hear McD somewhere in an interview soon. There's a good chance he'll blow any chance at being a GM or anything close to that in the future but I don't think that is something that will stop him from making an appearance somewhere if given the opportunity. A number of former coaches have written books on their careers, I wonder if McD would go that route and write a book about his time as GM. I'm really curious what he says. If he talks within the next week, it will be must listen to radio.

 

[Mainstreet]

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It would be nice to hear from players who do not have an axe to grind.

 

[Folster]

With how direct and blunt he was when making comments about players after trading them I would actually really like to hear McD somewhere in an interview soon. There's a good chance he'll blow any chance at being a GM or anything close to that in the future but I don't think that is something that will stop him from making an appearance somewhere if given the opportunity. A number of former coaches have written books on their careers, I wonder if McD would go that route and write a book about his time as GM. I'm really curious what he says. If he talks within the next week, it will be must listen to radio.

If he's smart, he shuts his mouth and runs back to Boston. They'll probably welcome him with open arms for making sure they passed on Jackson for Tatum.

 

[Folster]

It would be nice to hear from players who do not have an axe to grind.

Not many of those around. Which speaks to his inability to effectively manage personalities and relationships.

 

[Raindog]

Not many of those around. Which speaks to his inability to effectively manage personalities and relationships.

Yeah, you have to wonder. I can't recall many other players tweeting hoorays about front office guys getting fired. Maybe about former coaches, but not so much GMs. It does seem to emphasize his lack of player relationship skills.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not many of those around. Which speaks to his inability to effectively manage personalities and relationships.

Certainly all the player personnel issues cannot be explained away. The firing casts a cloud over everything. I suspect Sarver was preparing for this eventuality by hiring James Jones.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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I said it back during the summer... letting a guy who you're thinking about firing hire a head coach and play with a bunch of really good assets was asinine.

McD sucked, but he should have been fired and a REAL GM (not James Jones) should have been brought in and given this team a completely fresh start.

 

[Covert Rain]

I said it back during the summer... letting a guy who you're thinking about firing hire a head coach and play with a bunch of really good assets was asinine.

McD sucked, but he should have been fired and a REAL GM (not James Jones) should have been brought in and given this team a completely fresh start.

Not James Jones and God no McHale!

 

[95pro]

James Jones watch out in 2-5 years. You're next.

This is the right move.

Right time...NO.

But this is so Sarver, now he's back in complete control.