Suns Forum

[Mainstreet]

I'd like the Suns forum to be more like the Arizona Cardinals Forum at ASFN. Most of the posters there intermingle well with few flareups. Posters tend to respect each other's opinion even though it's different. Even fans with less knowledge are treated well. It's more like a family thing. My visualization for the Suns forum is something similar. I'd like Suns fans to come together and grow the forum.

Personally, I think if there was more focus towards making positive contributions to the forum there would be less negativity or it would be lost in the shuffle.

I'd like to see some positive stuff.

 

[AZCrazy]

Well, according to Chris, it just got a lot more civil. It will become a busier place once the Suns become a relevant team again. This years draft may be the kickoff point (we hope).

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, according to Chris, it just got a lot more civil. It will become a busier place once the Suns become a relevant team again. This years draft may be the kickoff point (we hope).

The draft and an improved Suns team has been my hope to get the forum thriving again as well. However, I think the Suns forum needs something more consistent year round.

One thing I think would help the forum thrive is more new threads so we don't get stuck on one topic. If every poster made an effort to create a thread a week about a new topic we would be cooking. IMO, the more busy the forum, the better.

There are lots of new articles to discuss.

 

[cwamjn]

I'm not a Cardinals fan, so I don't visit that board, but how is it any different? Especially wondering because many in the other thread has said there are way worse offenders on the cardinals forum.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not a Cardinals fan, so I don't visit that board, but how is it any different? Especially wondering because many in the other thread has said there are way worse offenders on the cardinals forum.

It's different in that, as opposed to this one, there is a lot of moderator traffic and small disagreements rarely get the opportunity to grow into big things as a result. That's not to say it doesn't occasionally get a bit dicey but it's not the norm except perhaps in game day threads where they loosen up the rules a bit. That's my opinion, other's may vary.

 

[GatorAZ]

I spent a few minutes randomly looking back at Suns threads from 12-13 years ago. What happened to about 80% of the posters from back then? (besides Slin?)

 

[pokerface]

I spent a few minutes randomly looking back at Suns threads from 12-13 years ago. What happened to about 80% of the posters from back then? (besides Slin?)

Uhh...They were driven off because this board likes to argue and be petty. Then you got Mr. Welcome Wagon slinslam calling everyone insane. Speaking of wagon...I was accused of being a bandwagon fan because I wanted a high draft pick.


People just aren't worthy enough of being on this board apparently...

 

[GatorAZ]

Uhh...They were driven off because this board likes to argue and be petty. Then you got Mr. Welcome Wagon slinslam calling everyone insane. Speaking of wagon...I was accused of being a bandwagon fan because I wanted a high draft pick.


People just aren't worthy enough of being on this board apparently...

Ah. I figured it was b/c every thread was about signing Kobe or trading for T-Mac!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Uhh...They were driven off because this board likes to argue and be petty. Then you got Mr. Welcome Wagon slinslam calling everyone insane. Speaking of wagon...I was accused of being a bandwagon fan because I wanted a high draft pick.


People just aren't worthy enough of being on this board apparently...

Do you not see how these kind of statements contributed to slin going over the line? His name is slinslin, calling him almost anything else is childish and out of line.

 

[pokerface]

Do you not see how these kind of statements contributed to slin going over the line? His name is slinslin, calling him almost anything else is childish and out of line.

 

[pokerface]

Ah. I figured it was b/c every thread was about signing Kobe or trading for T-Mac!

We could have gotten Kobe or Tmac? Can we time travel back to then??

 

[Errntknght]

I think a lot of the posters from years ago left because the team has been so poor and the FO was making matters worse. Quite a few of them believed that as long as Sarver was the owner there was essentially no hope of righting the ship... which may be true. (We'll see what happens this time 'round. Sarver seems to be backing off some from meddling.) True, there has been a lot of 'negativity' but there's been plenty to be negative about..

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think a lot of the posters from years ago left because the team has been so poor and the FO was making matters worse. Quite a few of them believed that as long as Sarver was the owner there was essentially no hope of righting the ship... which may be true. (We'll see what happens this time 'round. Sarver seems to be backing off some from meddling.) True, there has been a lot of 'negativity' but there's been plenty to be negative about..

See I would buy that but the cards forum never hurt for traffic even during the lean decades. Granted football is king, but I don't think poor team/ownership can be the primary culprit given the cards experience.

I have wondered where the volume went, but don't really know who exactly we've lost.

 

[Hoop Head]

One thing I've noticed between football message boards compared to basketball is that with football there is more talk about the team overall rather than individual players because of how the game is played, how much 1 player can effect a team, and how impactful rookies are. The Suns can bounce back next year and be in playoff contention with a good draft, despite being at the bottom of the league, with football that takes years though.

I think the dropoff here started around when the Bledsoe/Dragic debate started. Despite all of us being Suns fans we pit 2 players against each other and the fanbase splits. I've seen similar things happen lately with Bender and Chriss and the prospect of drafting Ball or Fultz. Those players are compared because they share the same position and it's natural to compare them but certain people here refuse to look at things from any perspective that could paint the player they like in a negative light, even taking the stance of being against the other player even when comparisons aren't being made. It's become almost political in how posters are posturing. Rather than keep the two separate they must constantly be compared and rather than boast about positives they harp on negatives of the opposition.

We all saw it with Bledsoe vs Dragic, if you talked about Bledsoe doing something well, then some people would jump in and assume you were slighting Dragic even when he was never brought into the discussion. It got bad and we're seeing it again with Bender and Chriss, despite them occupying positions that can easily co-exist on the court. Some people can't accept that you're a fan of both and want both to succeed, they are both Suns players who are under contract for the same number of years. Rather than letting someone like both, some posters want you to choose which one you prefer. If you don't choose between them or don't choose the player they favor then your entire basketball knowledge is called into question, to the point that it's no longer about the player but the posters themselves.

 

[Cheesebeef]

See I would buy that but the cards forum never hurt for traffic even during the lean decades. Granted football is king, but I don't think poor team/ownership can be the primary culprit given the cards experience.

I have wondered where the volume went, but don't really know who exactly we've lost.

I really think the bolded part is the reason. I haven't been here nearly as much simply because the Suns have been a complete non-entity for 7 years. or maybe it's because as Suns fans, under Colangelo, we got used to at least being good almost every year and this current run has been so out of the norm, that it turned a lot of us off. With the Cardinals... the norm was losing, so it... eh. who cares.

 

[overseascardfan]

As I mentioned on another thread, this is a fan forum of AZ sports, we should all be here for one reason, our love / appreciation of all AZ sports. If you want to get political, go hate each other on the politics / religion boards on this site. I even went as far as starting a thread on the Coyotes site because I feel there are knowledgeable people on that board that can tell me honestly what is going on with the Coyotes.

 

[GatorAZ]

We could have gotten Kobe or Tmac? Can we time travel back to then??

It seemed to be poppin' back then. I wish I joined earlier.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I really think the bolded part is the reason. I haven't been here nearly as much simply because the Suns have been a complete non-entity for 7 years. or maybe it's because as Suns fans, under Colangelo, we got used to at least being good almost every year and this current run has been so out of the norm, that it turned a lot of us off. With the Cardinals... the norm was losing, so it... eh. who cares.

Why am I a lot less active over here?

Sarver can kiss my ass... that's why. I think I am too sour on the franchise to be of any real value to the board.

Came home in January... went to my first game in 7 years (Grizzlies game).... Saw Sarver courtside ...... Started heckling him ...... Was asked to leave. All I wanted to know was if he was happy for Steve Kerr.

I can't believe Jerry couldn't find a better buyer.

 

[Chaplin]

Why am I a lot less active over here?

Sarver can kiss my ass... that's why. I think I am too sour on the franchise to be of any real value to the board.

Came home in January... went to my first game in 7 years (Grizzlies game).... Saw Sarver courtside ...... Started heckling him ...... Was asked to leave. All I wanted to know was if he was happy for Steve Kerr.

I can't believe Jerry couldn't find a better buyer.

Money talks. Simple as that.

The fact that he had Arizona ties probably helped as well.

 

[Shaggy]

The Suns have stunk it up the last 7 years. I was a die hard Suns fan, but when the NBA went on strike and we lost all our cool players, Nash and crew, I just stopped watching. I bet this goes for a lot of others that stopped posting in this forum. I hope it changes soon but that all depends on them.

To give you an example, yes NFL is king and the cards haven't always been good, but I went back several years and checked out posting and member activity stats. Yes the cards forum was active but the last 4 or 5 years(Whiz and BA years) stats doubled from the stats prior to that. I'm also seeing activity go up a little in the Dbacks board this year. Why? Because they are winning.

The Suns board will slowly get active again once they have a winning team. When that is, who knows.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why am I a lot less active over here?

Sarver can kiss my ass... that's why. I think I am too sour on the franchise to be of any real value to the board.

Came home in January... went to my first game in 7 years (Grizzlies game).... Saw Sarver courtside ...... Started heckling him ...... Was asked to leave. All I wanted to know was if he was happy for Steve Kerr.

I can't believe Jerry couldn't find a better buyer.

Sarver is a major reason as well, especially coming on the heels of JC. We went from having probably the most respected owner in the league (who had so much respect he was put in charge of USA basketball) to a foam finger waving chicken dancing douchebag.

And I'm with you... I've been home a TON of times over the last 7 years and haven't even THOUGHT of going to a game. I can barely watch an entire quarter of them when I'm home at this point. My connection has just been so severed by ineptitude.

Booker started bringing me back and I actually paid attention to a couple games this year. Add a mega-stud in the draft (unless we get screwed by the ping-pong Gods) and I might actually watch entire games... maybe even... GASP... go to one when they play in LA (which Ouchie and I did routinely during the Nash-Amare years, going to playoff games against the Clips and Lakers... which of course they both lost.)

DAMNIT... I WANT TO CARE ABOUT THIS DAMN TEAM AGAIN!!!!!

 

[Shaggy]

@cheesebeef I'm with you but my decision on not watching the suns much was not because of Sarver, it was just because NBA in general was getting stupid(I still think it's is to some extent). When they went on strike and when the Nash crew left, I wasn't interested in NBA at all anymore. When Bledsoe came around, I watched maybe 1 full game. Now that Booker is on the team, and that my 10 year old son is getting into the Suns more, because of Booker, I have gained interest again. Nothing like my love for the Cards but it's getting there.

I also feel that it's easier to follow NFL as there is just one game a week, rather then trying to follow a game a night.

The last 2 years, I would be watching every game in the beginning of the season, then watch them lose more then win, and then lose interest. Same thing with the dbacks. Every year, would try to watch every game in the beginning and would lose interest, but this year for the dbacks is different so far, so you see me more involved in the dbacks forum. Would do the same in here if they became a winning team.

 

[Matt L]

I have watched more games this year and I am more excited about this team than i have been in the past 5-6 years.

I don't recall this board ever having as much traffic as the Cardinals board. I think a big part of that is the Cardinals board has a few very long winded posters who really break down game film of the team and dig really deep into the roster to try to give more insight. I don't know if the Suns board has ever had more than a handful of guys like that where the Cardinals board probably had 5-10 guys like that at one point.

 

[Chaplin]

This board has always been heavily weighted toward the Cardinals, even in the bad years. The Suns board generally had a very consistent group that knew their stuff, but we've never been all that welcoming for new posters, IMO.

For a while I actually thought that about the Cardinals board -- I am a frequent lurker and always enjoy the analysis. It's a lot more interesting when your sample size is a fraction of what the NBA has--at least 82 games every other day on average. That's a lot of games and not a lot of time to do in-depth analysis like Mitch does on the Cards board.

 

[elindholm]

One big difference is that, historically, the administrators of this board have been Cardinals fans more than Suns fans, and they give their fellow NFL fans more leeway.

I've read some threads in the Cardinals forum that have gotten really argumentative and nasty, but it's okay because everyone's just "passionate," and besides, the important people all know each other.

As soon as there's a disagreement in a Suns thread, by contrast, moderators swoop in to shut it down and start banning people. Then, when there's a discussion about whether a ban is excessive, that thread gets deleted. So 95% of the Suns forum is milquetoast "support the team" tripe, which you can't rebut without getting targeted.

Simply put, the Cardinals forum is open and the Suns forum is heavily censored. That makes this board a lot less welcoming to Suns fans.