Suns @ Heat 3-21-17

[Mainstreet]

Eleven more games to go.

 

[sunsfan88]

I know there was some talk here about the Suns not needing to draft their "PG of the future" cause of Ulis but I hope all that talk is now put to bed.

Ulis won't ever be a starting caliber PG like IT because IT came into the league with a nice jumper while Ulis has nothing that even resembles close to a jumper. IT was also lethal from 3 which Ulis isn't.

I do like Ulis though and think he can be a high caliber backup PG which is most likely his ceiling as a player. He would be the perfect backup to have to Fultz.

 

[hsandhu]

I know there was some talk here about the Suns not needing to draft their "PG of the future" cause of Ulis but I hope all that talk is now put to bed.

Ulis won't ever be a starting caliber PG like IT because IT came into the league with a nice jumper while Ulis has nothing that even resembles close to a jumper. IT was also lethal from 3 which Ulis isn't.

I do like Ulis though and think he can be a high caliber backup PG which is most likely his ceiling as a player. He would be the perfect backup to have to Fultz.

He's 21, give me break. You can determine whether he can develop a knockdown jumper already?

Booker is shooting 42 % at 20 years old, I guess that's the percentage he's shooting for the next 15 years of his career.

 

[Yuma]

Ulis might not be a Chris Paul, but he is good enough to at least be our back up PG of the future. He does have the ability to create spacing, see plays develop, and has a good intermediate jumper. He's not as big a liability on defense due to his size since he usually makes the guy he's guarding shoot from further out because he attacks their dribble.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yay loss!

 

[Mainstreet]

I know there was some talk here about the Suns not needing to draft their "PG of the future" cause of Ulis but I hope all that talk is now put to bed.

Ulis won't ever be a starting caliber PG like IT because IT came into the league with a nice jumper while Ulis has nothing that even resembles close to a jumper. IT was also lethal from 3 which Ulis isn't.

I do like Ulis though and think he can be a high caliber backup PG which is most likely his ceiling as a player. He would be the perfect backup to have to Fultz.

I've been noticing Ulis is shooting flat shots from the field. I think his shooting can be improved if he puts just a little more arc on the ball. In college and the NBA he has been able to shoot over 80% from the free throw line which usually translates to shooting. IMO, Ulis should be able to improve his shooting considerably so I would not write him off so quickly.

In regard to the draft, I believe in drafting BPA unless two players at different positions grade out the same, then one drafts for need.

 

[Yuma]

One of the points EJ made, which I really agree with, is he thinks Marquiss Chriss is really going to develop a sculpted NBA body. He thinks we have yet to see this guy develop physically. Could be awesome to look forward to this!

 

[leclerc]

I heard one of the Suns announcer call Booker a streaky shooter. I'm afraid he could be right although I hope for more.

Don't know much about streaky or backcourt mate but I do know that his ankle has been bothering him. That probably affects his shooting and offensive efficency.

 

[JustWinBaby]

One of the points EJ made, which I really agree with, is he thinks Marquiss Chriss is really going to develop a sculpted NBA body. He thinks we have yet to see this guy develop physically. Could be awesome to look forward to this!

I see that as well and am really high on Chriss's future. I think he might end up being a bigger factor for us than Booker.

I know we have trainers and their job is to get the guys in shape however I was really bugged when we did not add Amare to the roster this year.

Amare had his faults but he was never out of shape and had/has one of the best bodies ever in the NBA. I wanted him to join the team and if nothing else get Chriss and Bender in the gym with him.

Last thing I heard about Amare was that he was headed to play in Israel, I do not know what happened.

Why not add him to the roster next year? I just miss the good old days and I would love to see him on the bench or behind the bench on a nightly basis.

 

[sunsfan88]

He's 21, give me break. You can determine whether he can develop a knockdown jumper already?

Booker is shooting 42 % at 20 years old, I guess that's the percentage he's shooting for the next 15 years of his career.

I don't need to look at his stats, I can look at his game and see if he has a jumper or not.

Booker's shooting #s were trash last year too and yet he was still in the 3pt contest, was he not? Because everyone knows he can still shoot, he just triple and quadouble teamed because the rest of the team is ass.

I know there are players who have come in and improved their jumper after entering the league but for the most part, a jumper is something that you either have or not. Look at the best player in the league for example, LeBron James has never had and never will have a reliable jumper in his career despite his massive efforts to get one. On the contrary, Steph Curry came into the league with a jumper and everyone knew that.

All I'm saying is that for Ulis to be a starting caliber player at his size, he needs to be a lethal shooter like IT was. And you can compare IT's 3pt shooting numbers to Ulis in both their rookie years and it's not close. On most scouting reports for IT before entering the league, there was never a question about his jumper, it was everything else. And for Ulis, it's almost the exact opposite. And age wise, their not that far apart, IT came into the NBA after his junior year while Ulis came in after his sophomore year.

Ulis will be a great backup for us but he isn't gonna be a starter because in order to be a starting PG in the NBA at 5'9, you have to be a lethal shooter. After IT, Cp3 is probably the current shortest starting PG in the league and even he has a wet jumper. Ulis will improve and get better at a lot of things but I will definitely wager that he won't ever develop a jumper as good as IT or CP3.

Ryan McDonough will get fired before next season is over if he passes on drafting a PG because he thinks 5'8 Ulis can be the starting PG of the future. Considering that Booker isn't a good defender, Suns actually need someone with better size and wingspan who can defend well at least at the PG position. Ulis isn't a bad defender himself but more often than not, players have just been shooting right over him lately.

 

[sunsfan88]

I've been noticing Ulis is shooting flat shots from the field. I think his shooting can be improved if he puts just a little more arc on the ball. In college and the NBA he has been able to shoot over 80% from the free throw line which usually translates to shooting. IMO, Ulis should be able to improve his shooting considerably so I would not write him off so quickly.

In regard to the draft, I believe in drafting BPA unless two players at different positions grade out the same, then one drafts for need.

Being a good FT shooter doesn't necessarily translate to being a good shooter off dribble and in live play. For example, guys like Westbrook and Wall are pretty good FT shooters but neither is even a decent 3pt shooter. But of course since both are 6'3+ and athletic freaks, they can mask their 3pt shooting deficiency.

 

[Mainstreet]

Don't know much about streaky or backcourt mate but I do know that his ankle has been bothering him. That probably affects his shooting and offensive efficency.

I have no doubt this is a contributing factor. Good point.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Horrible game by Booker.

 

[Mainstreet]

Being a good FT shooter doesn't necessarily translate to being a good shooter off dribble and in live play. For example, guys like Westbrook and Wall are pretty good FT shooters but neither is even a decent 3pt shooter. But of course since both are 6'3+ and athletic freaks, they can mask their 3pt shooting deficiency.

I guess we disagree about Ulis' upside and ability to become a better shooter. IMO, he can greatly improve his game. I am not looking for Ulis to become a starter but I wasn't looking for IT to become a starter either. If you want the Suns to draft a PG, I have no problem with that. Draft BPA and go from there. A player like Ball would have multiplier effect of making the Suns roster better. Fultz might do the same.

 

[Mainstreet]

Horrible game by Booker.

Booker has shot .250 or below in three out of his last four games. Maybe he needs to rest the ankle or whatever is the problem.