Suns @ Hornets (right now)

[desertdawg]

I think they have gave up on the season.

They wouldn't fight so hard every game, these guys give it all they got when they are out there...when they are out their. When your bench is outscoring your starters, your starting the wrong players. But it doesn't matter who you start, and Gentry is a genius.

 

[dziki]

It`s not like that AfroSuns. Even if I`m Marcin follower - for me much more important is how his team looks like. So if PHX is showing some bad performance it hurts me even more than bad performance of Gortat. It`s easy - if Marcin play bad but PHX win I`m happy. If Marcin play good and PHX loose I do not feel like fulfilled or so - it is just showing that even if he played good game he didn`t help his team. I don`t know if you understand me ;-)

I`m saying that it`s funny that some of you, from time to time, after one-two bad games by some players (e.g. Gortat, Dudley, Nash, Carter) starting to talk "he is bad, he is even worser than armless holland windmill". Everybody have to have bad days - robots usually are Stars in this league. Some more comprehension to them ;-)

And by the way - wish you good St Patrick`s. It`s gonna be a goood day!

 

[Broseph]

The coach should start Siler over Lopez, teach the oaf a lesson. If I was the coach I'd bench Lopez, start this lineup

Gortat
Childress
Hill
Carter
Nash

and

Siler
Warrick
Pietrus
Dudley
Brooks/Dowdell

Lopez can watch.

Lopez has been a giant disappointment this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

The coach should start Siler over Lopez, teach the oaf a lesson. If I was the coach I'd bench Lopez, start this lineup

Gortat
Childress
Hill
Carter
Nash

and

Siler
Warrick
Pietrus
Dudley
Brooks/Dowdell

Lopez can watch.

Let's not change the rotation now, however, I would suggest resting Nash and Frye for the rest of the season so they can get healthy. Maybe the Suns can get a better position in the lottery. Go Lopez.

 

[mojorizen7]

The Suns are in the 10th spot. Can they do worse. You bet. Keep the eye on the prize... the lottery.

According to UPN45 they're in the 11th spot.

 

[desertdawg]

Let's not change the rotation now, however, I would suggest resting Nash and Frye for the rest of the season so they can get healthy. Maybe the Suns can get a better position in the lottery. Go Lopez.

You made me spit out some beer laughing at this!

 

[Mainstreet]

According to UPN45 they're in the 11th spot.

See. They can do worse. This proves it.

 

[Broseph]

They wouldn't fight so hard every game, these guys give it all they got when they are out there...when they are out their. When your bench is outscoring your starters, your starting the wrong players. But it doesn't matter who you start, and Gentry is a genius.

Are they fighting hard? or are the teams that have built these astronomical size leads on the suns get complacent? Remember when the suns used to get huge leads on teams and then lose them? You get complacent when you get a giant lead. Suns have been completely destroyed in these past 4 games.

 

[BC867]

Gortat has hands that are like suction cups that don't suck.

So, let me see, you are saying that Gortat doesn't suck. I knew you'd come around

 

[jagu]

I hope they miss the playoffs and keep the lottery. We aren't winning jack with this team and its going to be pointless to get spanked in the playoffs by the elite. Maybe we can find another Earl Clark in the mid first round Oh wait....

 

[desertdawg]

Are they fighting hard? or are the teams that have built these astronomical size leads on the suns get complacent? Remember when the suns used to get huge leads on teams and then lose them? You get complacent when you get a giant lead. Suns have been completely destroyed in these past 4 games.

Traditionally yes, your supposed to build the lead with your starters (best players at each position) and hope you don't lose the lead with your bench (next best player at each position). Start your best and give them rest before the end of the first and third quarters, and bring them back in second and fourth so they are fresh. Gortat once again played much of the third quarter and all of the fourth, and people wonder why he is gassed. Nash played the entire third quarter, with his injury he shouldn't have.

The coaching hasn't made much sense to me in a while. But the players are fun to watch and I think we have some talented young players. I like next years look if we get a new coach and get rid of Lopez.

 

[AfroSuns]

It`s not like that AfroSuns. Even if I`m Marcin follower - for me much more important is how his team looks like. So if PHX is showing some bad performance it hurts me even more than bad performance of Gortat. It`s easy - if Marcin play bad but PHX win I`m happy. If Marcin play good and PHX loose I do not feel like fulfilled or so - it is just showing that even if he played good game he didn`t help his team. I don`t know if you understand me ;-)

I`m saying that it`s funny that some of you, from time to time, after one-two bad games by some players (e.g. Gortat, Dudley, Nash, Carter) starting to talk "he is bad, he is even worser than armless holland windmill". Everybody have to have bad days - robots usually are Stars in this league. Some more comprehension to them ;-)

And by the way - wish you good St Patrick`s. It`s gonna be a goood day!

Make no mistake, all Suns fans love Gortat. maybe his only hater is the in-house +/_ genius. the annoying incessant rhetorics that Gortat not being in our starting lineup is the main reason we suck is just dumb.
I am all for starting Gortat but not lets lose sight of this teams biggest reason for sucking; lack of talent.
If we go by the logic that Gortat is only funtional with Nash on the floor, Suns may as well ship him too the moment Nash leaves.

 

[BC867]

There it was for all to hear Gentry thinks Lopez is the future, stands behind it, get him out of here!

I missed that. Did Tom Leander and Scott Williams really quote Gentry as saying that he thinks Lopez is the future?

No wonder he plays Gortat for 18 minute halves each game. He is intentionally trying to wear him down to prove his point?


I can't bring myself to believe that Alvin Gentry would do that, but it is happening. And now the quote?

Unfreakingbelievable!

 

[desertdawg]

The only way we will ever get anything out of Robin Lopez is if we shave his head, keep calling him Brook during the negotiations, and pull a fast one on some dumb unsuspecting team. But if they know which twin he is we are done for.

 

[desertdawg]

I missed that. Did Tom Leander and Scott Williams really quote Gentry as saying that he thinks Lopez is the future?

No wonder he plays Gortat for 18 minute halves each game. He is intentionally trying to wear him down to prove his point?


I can't bring myself to believe that Alvin Gentry would do that, but it is happening. And now the quote?

Unfreakingbelievable!

They said Gentry said Lopez was one of the most improved players in the league, and he stands behind Lopez. I couldn't make this stuff up!

 

[Mainstreet]

They said Gentry said Lopez was one of the most improved players in the league, and he stands behind Lopez. I couldn't make this stuff up!

This is indeed over the top. It's one thing saying it and another thing believing it. I am now thinking Gentry must believe it. And I thought Gentry was trying to build up Lopez so he could be traded before the trading deadline.

 

[jagu]

Can we shave off Robin's hair and switch him and his bro without the Nets finding out? Sarver can give Rolo a cool 30 million to keep his mouth shut and just pretend like Brook and just say he lost all his skills if anyone asks.

 

[jagu]

This is indeed over the top. It's one thing saying it and another thing believing it. I am now thinking Gentry must believe it. And I thought Gentry was trying to build up Lopez so he could be traded before the trading deadline.

Gentry must be on some crazy stuff (i don't blame him for using since he has to watch tapes of Warrick trying to play defense which might look better when high).... Lopez looked like he had big promise last year, now he just needs to promise to stay the hell off the court.

 

[Covert Rain]

They said Gentry said Lopezn was one of the most improved players in the league, and he stands behind Lopez. I couldn't make this stuff up!

This is one of the reasons its time for Gentry to go IMO. He learned much more from D'Antoni than I ever thought. He is showing some of the same stubbornness that D'Antoni used to show even when he was wrong.

He has been getting out coached and making stupid lineup decisions all season. This Lopez thing is mind boggling. Lopez is not even playing well enough to be a backup. He sucks and Gentry is not changing things because he doesn't want to admit he is wrong. Gentry's ego is hurting this team as much as the holes in talent on the roster.

 

[BC867]

This is one of the reasons its time for Gentry to go IMO. He learned much more from D'Antoni than I ever thought. He is showing some of the same stubbornness that D'Antoni used to show even when he was wrong.

I guess that is human nature. For a long time, desertdawg and I were the only two posters who were vocal about Lopez being chosen over Gortat and some of the comments here got pretty personal. Such is a message board.

Although a lot more of us post freely now that Lopez just doesn't have basketball intelligence, there are still some who wait for Gortat to have a less than perfect game, then jump his case in order to build up Lopez.

Gentry just has a wider exposure than any of us.

BTW, I just sent Marcin Gortat a message on his Facebook site, asking why the coach is wearing him down. I wonder if he personally reads it.

 

[desertdawg]

BTW, I just sent Marcin Gortat a message on his Facebook site, asking why the coach is wearing him down. I wonder if he personally reads it.

Hammer is team first, he aint trippin, he just wants to do his job. I don't see him answering that question. I don't know what's up with Gentry. Most of the times, the guys you have in the end of the games are the guys you also have starting, for all the same reasons. (unless there is a certain skill need within the next couple seconds... free throw shooting, rebounding, 3 pointers, a coach might load a particular talent, blah blah)

Gortat is getting more minutes than he ever has, he is enjoying helping the team, everybody knows he is a better player and fit for the Suns (except maybe Gentry ) and he (the Hammer) is handling it with a good attitude.

I don't think Gentry is trying to wear down Gortat on purpose, I think he just believes in LOLopez and has to play Gortat when he is wrong...every game...again.

 

[Evil Ash]

Just like every other game, the longer Lopez stays out, the closer we get to the lead.

Actually they got better when Hakim and Pietrus were off the floor. Those 2 haven't produced anything on either side of the floor lately.

Lopez left the game with it tied in the first qtr. We were losing by 10 at the half. So obviously it was Lopez's fault that Gortat had exactly one more rebound than I did until about 2 mins left in the 3rd qtr.

Of course, I'm bringing up facts to a bunch of Gortat worshipers which will likely be ignored but hey whatever floats your boat.

 

[desertdawg]

Actually they got better when Hakim and Pietrus were off the floor. Those 2 haven't produced anything on either side of the floor lately.

Lopez left the game with it tied in the first qtr. We were losing by 10 at the half. So obviously it was Lopez's fault that Gortat had exactly one more rebound than I did until about 2 mins left in the 3rd qtr.

Of course, I'm bringing up facts to a bunch of Gortat worshipers which will likely be ignored but hey whatever floats your boat.

Damn I was just getting ready for bed.
I don't worship Gortat my man, you refuse to acknowledge Gortat is a better palyer and a better fit for the Suns.
Watch the game, we could have been up by 10 if Lopez played as well as the rest of the starters did in the first quarter, he hurt the team again. Silly.

I gotta get up early, so bring up some more stuff that doesn't matter and I'll holla. If you think Lopez is better say so or leave it alone.

 

[Covert Rain]

Actually they got better when Hakim and Pietrus were off the floor. Those 2 haven't produced anything on either side of the floor lately.

Lopez left the game with it tied in the first qtr. We were losing by 10 at the half. So obviously it was Lopez's fault that Gortat had exactly one more rebound than I did until about 2 mins left in the 3rd qtr.

Of course, I'm bringing up facts to a bunch of Gortat worshipers which will likely be ignored but hey whatever floats your boat.

The problem with this scenario is that often Lopez leaves the game without having any impact on the game. If the score is tied or even if the Suns are up by the time Lopez exits the game....it's despite Lopez....not because of Lopez.

I have said it before and I will say it again....this team usually by the time Lopez goes to the bench trails in paint points, trails in in rebounds and gets nothing from Lopez while on the court.

I already posted Lopez's stats against 30+ players playing the Center position with similar minutes. Lopez ranks towards to the bottom in several categories. That means Lopez isn't even playing well enough most nights be a considered a decent backup Center. If that doesn't say it all...I don't know what does. This is the guy we are relying on to give us a boost and the start of each half.

It feels more like Gentry's version of hanging on for dear life until the real Center comes in. There is a reason Gentry is trail blazing this approach in the NBA and other coaches are content with the "old school" approach of handling their rosters while sitting comfortably with playoff slots. I know any day know Gentry innovative ways will pay off for the Suns.

 

[Evil Ash]

The problem with this scenario is that often Lopez leaves the game without having any impact on the game. If the score is tied or even if the Suns are up by the time Lopez exits the game....it's despite Lopez....not because of Lopez.

I have said it before and I will say it again....this team usually by the time Lopez goes to the bench trails in paint points, trails in in rebounds and gets nothing from Lopez while on the court.

I already posted Lopez's stats against 30+ players playing the Center position with similar minutes. Lopez ranks towards to the bottom in several categories. That means Lopez isn't even playing well enough most nights be a considered a decent backup Center. If that doesn't say it all...I don't know what does. This is the guy we are relying on to give us a boost and the start of each half.

It feels more like Gentry's version of hanging on for dear life until the real Center comes in. There is a reason Gentry is trail blazing this approach in the NBA and other coaches are content with the "old school" approach of handling their rosters while sitting comfortably with playoff slots. I know any day know Gentry innovative ways will pay off for the Suns.

I didn't say that Lopez was a better player or anything of the sort.

However it has gotten to the point where its hard to read the board anymore because of how it has turned into who can kiss Gortat's ass the most competition. Anything that is said in a negative manner about Mr Gortat needs to be ignored as anything that he did wrong had to be the fault of somebody else.

Gortat isn't moving into the starting lineup anytime soon. Even if he did get into the starting lineup, the impact would be nullified as his improvement to the starting lineup would make the bench worse. To take my point further about how overstated this really is - the 16 games prior to the Frye injury our record was 12-4 with Lopez starting. With the way that some people on this board react you'd think we'd have a reversed record during that time.

The move isn't happening so in short LET IT GO