Suns interested in Ray Allen

[Cheesebeef]

It's Allen that is interested with or without Nash.

ah. thanks, but no thanks Jesus Shuttlesworth!

 

[Superbone]

This is so disappointing. Allen was the #1 player I wanted to add to the Suns about 6 years ago. Imagine him in place of any of our Richardsons.

We often seem to get the players we coveted at the end of their careers when it's too late.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'm guessing he ends up in New York or Miami.

 

[Matt L]

 

[jagu]

No wonder Ray Allen is interested in us, look what miracles we've done for older players. Say what you will about Grant Hill, but the guy plays like he's 10 years younger (at least until he got injured at the end of this season). Michael Redd, Shaq... we have a very good track record. Best training staff in the league and I don't think there are any arguments against that.

You know your team is in shambles if the prime attraction for free agents is the vaunted training staff.

 

[SweetD]

Babby was Allen's agent.

 

[Joe Mama]

They are going to go and blow the entire wallet this summer overpaying mediocre or over the hill talent.

Joe

 

[BC867]

They are going to go and blow the entire wallet this summer overpaying mediocre or over the hill talent.

Joe

Over the "Hill"?

 

[Chaplin]

You know your team is in shambles if the prime attraction for free agents is the vaunted training staff.

I happen to believe that the training staff is a very important part of recruitment. I guess you don't.

 

[jagu]

I happen to believe that the training staff is a very important part of recruitment. I guess you don't.

I do, but recruiting injured players to come here isn't exactly the path to a championship.

 

[Chaplin]

I do, but recruiting injured players to come here isn't exactly the path to a championship.

I don't think that's the actual company line. I think it's more like the aging players that don't want to quit when their body might be saying not to would hope our staff would extend their ability to make a lot of money. It's worked for the Suns more than any other team.

 

[95pro]

I don't think that's the actual company line. I think it's more like the aging players that don't want to quit when their body might be saying not to would hope our staff would extend their ability to make a lot of money. It's worked for the Suns more than any other team.

You mean: mind says yes and body says no.

 

[sunsfan88]

Damn it!!!!

This means they may be bringing Nash back

Allen/Nash back court would have been great 5 years ago....now its not much different than a Nash/Redd backcourt.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the Suns are at all interested in Allen, I assume it is a one-year roster filler. But why not fill the roster with young guys? You never know if one will pan out or not.

 

[JS22]

not surprising, always thought their plan was KG, Allen and Nash.

I would absolutely be down with this.

If anything, it would be entertaining. And I seriously think the old guys could make a run for a year or two.

 

[slinslin]

I would absolutely be down with this.

If anything, it would be entertaining. And I seriously think the old guys could make a run for a year or two.

while it might be short term fun it would delay our inevitable rebuild simply and the likelihood of those players staying healthy to make a decent run are low.

By the 2nd or 3rd year we would have 4 40yr olds on the roster that all retire and no assets to do anything.

 

[Covert Rain]

while it might be short term fun it would delay our inevitable rebuild simply and the likelihood of those players staying healthy to make a decent run are low.

By the 2nd or 3rd year we would have 4 40yr olds on the roster that all retire and no assets to do anything.

That would be my concern as well. It would be one thing if we got these guys cheap and could still pack our roster with young guys that we are developing.

I simply don't see KG/Allen being mentor guys on a team that is not going anywhere.

 

[slinslin]

Which player has ever truly developed by being stashed behind a "mentor" fading star player?
I believe in developing players by giving them playing time. You can watch video footage of star players instead of sitting on the bench watching them and not playing.

Players I would target

1. OJ Mayo, he has playmaking skills. He is just in bad situation in Memphis as JVG explained yesterday. Being the 4th option does not suit his skills. From a talent perspective he really is not worse than James Harden imo.. One of the few players worth taking a chance on. He could be the #1 option on a bad Suns team and increase his value by a lot.

2. Brook Lopez, I believe he could transition to power forward. Offensively that should be no problem for him. Defensively it is a gamble. His health is also cause for concern but investing in a very talented 7 footer is not that much of a risk. There is always a market for these guys. I'd also have some hope that putting the Lopez twins on the same team can have a positive effect on them. ( same reason I would like to get Marcus Morris for the right price ) - Unfortunately it will be hard to pry him away from Brooklyn for reasonable money..

3. Jerryd Bayless - Local kid and capable of putting up 17/6 on a bad team. Still young and untapped potential. Raptors are probably not going to match if they go all out for nash.


4. Johnny Flynn - once a top 10 draft pick has struggled in the NBA. Talent might still be there and he said Phoenix is a team he would like to sign with. For a cheap price it is a low risk gamble.

5. Brandon Rush

6. Anthony Randolph

7. Hasheem Thabeet - low risk

Tempting but pass..

Nicolas Batum - I like him but I don't think he is much better than jared Dudley to be honest and it will take a contract starting at almost 10M$ to get him. Pass..

Michael Beasley - Too much of a head case , high risk - high reward. Suns need low risk - high reward players..

Terrence Williams - Talented but too much of a head case although I think we have a locker room that could deal with it and he could be cheap but I'd still pass because of the attitude.


So yeah I would be comfortable with giving Mayo something worth around 8M$ per year, Ranolph and Bayless would have to be cheaper, Dudley type money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yeah, I might take a flyer on Mayo. at least the kid has SOME upside and possibly a lot of it.

the question is: what kind of deal is he gonna get on the open market? He would have been a great fit next to Derrick Rose IMO. That team's in desperate need of another perimeter scorer who can create his own shot.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Suns need low risk - high reward players..

Almost all of your suggestions are awful, particularly Mayo at 8 mil per. Way too much for a spotty contributor.

I did find your comment above pretty hilarious though... I'm pretty sure that's the goal of most teams, and those guys are pretty expensive.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think Allen's corpse would be a significant upgrade over Redd's corpse, and an infinetely more appealing prospect than Crawford. Allen has a lightning quick release and can catch and shoot as well as anyone in the league. The ball freezes in Crawfords hands, he "fit in" exactly like Carter did... only with much less talent.

But let me make it clear, I really really dont want any of these signings to actually happen.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Almost all of your suggestions are awful, particularly Mayo at 8 mil per. Way too much for a spotty contributor.

I did find your comment above pretty hilarious though... I'm pretty sure that's the goal of most teams, and those guys are pretty expensive.

That's the nature of free agency. Sitting on cap space forever isnt going to do anything for you either.

7-8 million a year is what Mayo will command. He is a pretty consistent contributor, shoots well and plays decent D.

Sorry. You have to spend your money sometime.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's the nature of free agency. Sitting on cap space forever isnt going to do anything for you either.

7-8 million a year is what Mayo will command. He is a pretty consistent contributor, shoots well and plays decent D.

Sorry. You have to spend your money sometime.

this is exactly the awful kind of thinking that has doomed the Pistons/Raptors to NBA hell. Sure... you have to spend your money sometime, but not at every opportunity that comes your way.

It's our first year with cap space. sitting on it for one year isn't "forever" JC.

 

[Phrazbit]

That's the nature of free agency. Sitting on cap space forever isnt going to do anything for you either.

7-8 million a year is what Mayo will command. He is a pretty consistent contributor, shoots well and plays decent D.

Sorry. You have to spend your money sometime.

No, not when you're in the Suns position. They shouldnt be giving out multi-year contracts to anyone until they find some players to build around.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Which player has ever truly developed by being stashed behind a "mentor" fading star player?
I believe in developing players by giving them playing time. You can watch video footage of star players instead of sitting on the bench watching them and not playing.

Players I would target

1. OJ Mayo, he has playmaking skills. He is just in bad situation in Memphis as JVG explained yesterday. Being the 4th option does not suit his skills. From a talent perspective he really is not worse than James Harden imo.. One of the few players worth taking a chance on. He could be the #1 option on a bad Suns team and increase his value by a lot.

2. Brook Lopez, I believe he could transition to power forward. Offensively that should be no problem for him. Defensively it is a gamble. His health is also cause for concern but investing in a very talented 7 footer is not that much of a risk. There is always a market for these guys. I'd also have some hope that putting the Lopez twins on the same team can have a positive effect on them. ( same reason I would like to get Marcus Morris for the right price ) - Unfortunately it will be hard to pry him away from Brooklyn for reasonable money..

3. Jerryd Bayless - Local kid and capable of putting up 17/6 on a bad team. Still young and untapped potential. Raptors are probably not going to match if they go all out for nash.


4. Johnny Flynn - once a top 10 draft pick has struggled in the NBA. Talent might still be there and he said Phoenix is a team he would like to sign with. For a cheap price it is a low risk gamble.

5. Brandon Rush

6. Anthony Randolph

7. Hasheem Thabeet - low risk

Tempting but pass..

Nicolas Batum - I like him but I don't think he is much better than jared Dudley to be honest and it will take a contract starting at almost 10M$ to get him. Pass..

Michael Beasley - Too much of a head case , high risk - high reward. Suns need low risk - high reward players..

Terrence Williams - Talented but too much of a head case although I think we have a locker room that could deal with it and he could be cheap but I'd still pass because of the attitude.


So yeah I would be comfortable with giving Mayo something worth around 8M$ per year, Ranolph and Bayless would have to be cheaper, Dudley type money.

Mayo--Yes
Brook Lopez--Don't believe he can play pf, will be too expensive, too many injuries
Bayless--would have been fine if we did not already have pg's. We have Brooks under our control, to me they are the same player.
Flynn--no. Can you say Marcus Banks?
Rush--yes, intriguing. Really picked up his shooting this year. Interesting for the right price.
Anthony Randolph--this kid just never seemed to land in the right place to get the minutes he needs. There must be more to it. I would love to pick him up for cheap and give him a run. Still alot of upside.
Thabeet--yes low risk, especially if we let Lopez walk.

I would add Gerald Wallace. Yes he is 30 but should have 5 good years left.