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Great performance!!
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Gortat is probably better than Lopez, but he sure ain't good, at least not yet. His inability to secure rebounds in traffic is frightening, and he has no offensive game at all unless Nash is spoonfeeding him.
He's generally more aware on defense than Lopez, and he probably deserves some credit for the Suns' overall good defense the last (almost) two games. On the other hand, a big part of defense is getting the rebound, and he killed the Suns in that department tonight.
At least when Stoudemire wasn't rebounding, it's because he was 15 feet from the basket and already headed to the other end. Gortat clogs up space, making it more difficult for any of his teammates to participate in the rebounding battle, but comes up with only about 1/4 of the balls he gets his hands on.
I'm with slinslin on this one. Gortat is probably better than Lopez, but he sure ain't good, at least not yet. His inability to secure rebounds in traffic is frightening, and he has no offensive game at all unless Nash is spoonfeeding him. He's generally more aware on defense than Lopez, and he probably deserves some credit for the Suns' overall good defense the last (almost) two games. On the other hand, a big part of defense is getting the rebound, and he killed the Suns in that department tonight. At least when Stoudemire wasn't rebounding, it's because he was 15 feet from the basket and already headed to the other end. Gortat clogs up space, making it more difficult for any of his teammates to participate in the rebounding battle, but comes up with only about 1/4 of the balls he gets his hands on.
Everyone talked about what a great rebounder he was in Orlando. Why do they come here and suddenly suck at it?
Because of the Suns obsession with one legitimate big man on the floor. It is too much to ask of any Center or Power Forward.Everyone talked about what a great rebounder he was in Orlando. Why do they come here and suddenly suck at it?
He's made that +/- comment several times in the past few days trying to prove that Gortat is horrible and that Lopez is better. Nothing in his comments suggest to me that he's actually watching the game. Perhaps he is but having watched the games myself I find it hard to believe anyone not named Lopez could consider Robin the better player.
The point is even with Robin Lopez being in a slump pretty much all year since his bulging disc the Suns are still generally playing better when he is on the floor. That is a fact.
That's because Lopez is essentially playing with just the starters for 5 minutes at a time. He's constantly playing terrible defense and picking up stupid fouls, which leads to him being taken out of the game. Gortat is playing 30+ minutes with both the starters and bench players, which lowers his +/-.
Think of it this way, if Lopez was in during the last 6 minutes or so, when the Kings went on their crazy run, he'd have a negative +/- as well. That pretty much throws your +/- stat out the window.
Totally pointless stat.
It's not like that because the starters often have worse +/- than Lopez so that means they play worse when someone else is in.
It's not like that because the starters often have worse +/- than Lopez so that means they play worse when someone else is in.
Really? So we just discard the fact that because we are primarily a jump shooting team we tend to give up big leads late when the game turns more physical. Watch the games. Lopez is playing like he's the worst player. Not just the worst player on this team, the worst player ever, anywhere, any level, anytime, any freaking planet. A blind man could see it.
Steve
Not if the blind man sees Channing Frye first.. I've watched every Suns game this year. Frye had turned a corner earlier but good god is he awful. Rolo isn't as bad as some of you people claim. Put him with a competent power forward and he will perform. He can't rebound when he has Mr. Softy Frye next to him at the PF and now who? Hill or Pietrus? Get real. Frye's 6 foot freaking 11 and has 1 block in his last 5 games. I rue the day we resigned this bum..
I don't care who you are, dats funny right there.Your +/- fetish is scarier than Gortat's pick and roll fetish.
Any legitimate Power Forward alongside Gortat and Lopez would be better than a 6'11" softy such as Frye or our various Small Forwards.However, we can't just magically create a good power forward to play alongside him. We have what we have and it isn't much.
Any legitimate Power Forward alongside Gortat and Lopez would be better than a 6'11" softy such as Frye or our various Small Forwards.
Of course we can trade for one, with our abundance of Small Forwards.
It would mean Sarver admitting bad decisions, but he already did in moving Hedo. So there should be nothing standing in the way of a skilled Front Office putting a couple of deals together for a starting and bench PF.
Any legitimate Power Forward alongside Gortat and Lopez would be better than a 6'11" softy such as Frye or our various Small Forwards.
Of course we can trade for one, with our abundance of Small Forwards.
It would mean Sarver admitting bad decisions, but he already did in moving Hedo. So there should be nothing standing in the way of a skilled Front Office putting a couple of deals together for a starting and bench PF.
What contender would need to trade for Nash?
Boston: Rondo
Miami: nothing to trade
Orlando: Nelson and Arenas
Dallas: Kidd
San Antonio: Parker and Hill
Utah: Williams
New Orleans: Paul
OKC: Westbrook
Denver: Billups and Lawson
LAL: run the triangle and in our division
Atlanta: maybe, but are they convinced Nash puts them over the top.
Even NY isn't an option anymore with the way Felton is playing. Unless one of the top teams has their point guard go down, I don't see how trading Nash is possible, unless we gift him to the Heat or Lakers.
I've always felt like Nash would be a GREAT fit up in Portland. He's got a guy who he can pick and roll with in Aldrige all day long, a JJ-esque shooting guard in Roy and Camby who can make up for all the times Nash's guy blows past him to get to the hole.
I'd take Batum, picks and an expiring for him and call it an era.
I'd take Batum, picks and an expiring for him and call it an era.