Suns - Kings

[scudney]

what the hell was that... 2 or 3 suns just standing under the basket as peeler tips it in

 

[slinslin]

This is so ###### up. How can we score 92 in the first 3 quarters and 8 in the 4th?

 

[slinslin]

Casey Jacobsen should have seen no time at all in the 4th quarter. NONE.

Marbury is 0-9 in the 4th , no surprise, there is no movement in the offense anymore and Marbury played almost all minutes yesterday and tonight.

Barbosa DNP?

 

[Chaplin]

So slin, Penny has 2 turnovers in 33 minutes--JJ has 3 in 38. Those numbers were exactly the same when I originally posted, except that Penny had played 22 minutes and JJ 24.

You are complaining about his turnovers just because right now it's something to complain about--regardless whether or not it applies in this game. LOL

 

[scudney]

Originally posted by slinslin
This is so ###### up. How can we score 92 in the first 3 quarters and 8 in the 4th?

the suns, and marbury espically, were cleary tired.. but most of all, the kings offense was just too much and weren't turning the ball over like they were before. We just couldn't get any fast break points

But still, 8 points is pathetic

 

[slinslin]

How often do I have to explain that again?

Penny Hardaway's turnovers lead to easy points for the opponent. It happened twice this game.

That's 4 points for the Kings and at least 2 less shot attempts for the Suns.

Joe Johnson also had 5 assists compared to Penny's 3.

Penny is lucky that Marbury gets the turnover although he is fumbling the ball.

 

[arthurracoon]

*sigh*

at least it wasn't a blowout.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by slinslin
How often do I have to explain that again?

Penny Hardaway's turnovers lead to easy points for the opponent. It happened twice this game.

That's 4 points for the Kings and at least 2 less shot attempts for the Suns.

Joe Johnson also had 5 assists compared to Penny's 3.

Penny is lucky that Marbury gets the turnover although he is fumbling the ball.

Like I said, you are complaining just to do it--you need to get a complaint in about Penny somewhere, so why not stick with the unsubstantiated turnover arguement?

Oh yeah, Penny is lucky... right.

 

[elindholm]

If you don't count Marbury's last-second uncontested layup and Voskuhl's shot that was counted on goaltending, the Suns shot 1-20 in the fourth quarter. That's almost impossible to believe.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
If you don't count Marbury's last-second uncontested layup and Voskuhl's shot that was counted on goaltending, the Suns shot 1-20 in the fourth quarter. That's almost impossible to believe.

But hey, at least Penny didn't have a turnover in the 4th quarter. Right? Anybody?

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Like I said, you are complaining just to do it--you need to get a complaint in about Penny somewhere, so why not stick with the unsubstantiated turnover arguement?

Oh yeah, Penny is lucky... right.

No it is the truth.

Marbury passes to Penny, Penny fumbles the pass, Bobby Jackson comes down with it and lays it in.

Boxscore says? Bobby Jackson steals the ball from Stephon Marbury.

It happens every damn game that Penny Hardaway makes a stupid lazy pass that costs the Suns their posession and 2 points.

It happened twice today.

 

[slinslin]

Originally posted by Chaplin
But hey, at least Penny didn't have a turnover in the 4th quarter. Right? Anybody?

He did, but the boxscore gave it to Marbury because it was his pass that Penny fumbled and got Jackson a layup.

 

[slinslin]

Also how did Brad Miller get the offensive board and layup in crunch time?

It sure looked like Penny Hardaway was just walking away from Miller while he was going in and grabbing the miss.

Why Jacobsen is playing in the 4th quarter is still a mystery.

 

[NDSunsfan]

I'm officially checking out.....

on this year's team. It'd be one thing if they had no talent (bulls/hawks/etc) and lost. But they have good, some really good players. And tonight's game made me dislike them even more than if they'd have got blown out. The fact that they could dominate for 36 minutes one of the best teams in the league on their home floor, just shows me how horrible their bad games have been this year.

I'm a big NBA fan, but, aside from the Suns, I don't watch a game start to finish. I've found myself feeling the same way about the Suns this year. And so after watching tonight's game, I'm done. It's kind of liberating, actually. This site used to be the first site I went to every time I logged on. Lately, I've checked it very little. I used to feel bad, that empty feeling when the Suns lost. Tonite, I watched until JJ missed that baseline jumper, turned off the TV and that was it.

This is the final nail. Sure, I might watch a little here and there and if they somehow turn it around, I'll be the first to jump on the bandwagon and deny this post ever existed......

I think I've been a 23 year bandwagon guy, and it's about time I jump off.

Thanks, guys, it was a good ride.


Good night now,

Brad

 

[George O'Brien]

Bad Habits

The Suns stunk against the Clippers, but they played three very good quarters against the Kings. Maybe they just ran out of gas. I hate back to back games.

For the first three quarters they played good switching man defense, without too many double teams. It seemed like they lost their defensive energy as the game when on and left the Kings shooters wide open a lot.

I thought the beginning of the end game when White got tagged with that phantom foul. After that, the Suns just fell apart. From that point on, the Suns gave up an enormous number of offensive rebounds and their interior defense was not effective. This may have been White's best game, but he doesn't get many breaks from the refs.

I wish MD would simply forbit Marbury from taking 3's. Stephon all but shot the team out of the game in the fourth quarter.

Early in the game JJ was very effective, but in the fourth quarter he stopped attacking the basket. As usual, JJ was not hitting his jumpers once he became tenative.

The Suns could have won this game, but they continue to lose their composure at crunch time.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Well that post was a little depressing.

Anyways, your posts have always been welcomed and appreciated, and I hope you make your way back here in the near future

 

[slinslin]

That's not true.

Joe Johnson was the only Suns player that still attacked the basket in the 4th quarter.

If D'Antoni forbid Marbury to take 3 pointers the other team would clog up the middle even more than they already do.

Marbury forced up some shots, but that's what your go-to guy has to do when nobody else is moving , making themselves available and holding the ball.

 

[matt_whitlock]

Originally posted by slinslin
How often do I have to explain that again?

Penny Hardaway's turnovers lead to easy points for the opponent. It happened twice this game.

That's 4 points for the Kings and at least 2 less shot attempts for the Suns.

Joe Johnson also had 5 assists compared to Penny's 3.

Penny is lucky that Marbury gets the turnover although he is fumbling the ball.

And Joe Johnson always, without fail, misses at least 1 wide open, big shot late in the fourth quarter. Tonight, he had a completely uncontested baseline jumper with around a minute to go, and he missed it. How many times has he done that this year?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I only watched the end of the 4th, but from looking at the stat line and listening to post game talk I don't think JJ did anythign wrong tonight. He missed a "big" shot in the 4th, but so did EVERY other sun.

Before the end layup by marbury, shawn marion was 2-7 in teh 4th quarter (maybe it was 2-9) and NO other Sun player had made a bucket.

 

[matt_whitlock]

And if anybody hasn't noticed, the Suns have been giving up 108 points per game in their three games with Mike D'Antoni at the helm. That's pretty pitiful.

When is somebody that runs the Suns going to realize that it's not dunks that get people in the seats, it's W's. I'm all for high-scoring basketball, but when the other team is more high-scoring, that's not effective.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Again, I didnt get to watch, but I heard they actually played good defense in the first 3 quarters.

They just fell apart in the 4th.

 

[slinslin]

If only the Suns were dunking....

Compared to other teams the Suns don't get a lot of dunks. Without Amare the only dunks they get are a couple when Marion is wide open on the break or putback.

 

[elindholm]

Before the end layup by marbury, shawn marion was 2-7 in teh 4th quarter (maybe it was 2-9) and NO other Sun player had made a bucket.

Actually Marion had only one make in the fourth quarter. The other "make" was Voskuhl's tip-in that was goaltended by Miller. That was it until Marbury's layup at the buzzer.

 

[cly2tw]

I just caught the last 5 min. of the game on TV. As to JJ, you could almost predict his missing that last baseline jumper, the way he motioned towards the release. What's the word? Tentative? And when he blew by Christie, somehow he managed to lose the ball all by himself before he could lay it up. Maybe just fatigue, like those misses from Marbury, but he definitely is just bench material for a while to go. He is physically talented but seems to lack the competitive drive. Oh, that Peeler tipin at the end was against him too, though Penny let Miller fake him out for a layup.

The problem for the Suns is that they have only one reliable one-on-one scorer in Marbury, even with Amare healthy. When you got him playing 45min back to back, it's not gonna win you many games. And when opposing teams tighten up defense in the 4th quarter, you really need one-on-one plays to survive.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by cly2tw
And when opposing teams tighten up defense in the 4th quarter, you really need one-on-one plays to survive.

That is just not true. Had the suns not cemented themselves in their favorite position on the court, they might have found ways to get the ball in mation to the hoop.