Suns like possibilities at No. 17

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Suns like possibilities at No. 17

Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 24, 2003 12:00 AM




2003 NBA draft
WHEN: 4 p.m. Thursday.

TV: ESPN.

SUNS PICKS: No. 17 in first round, none in second round.

TOTAL PICKS: Two rounds, 58 picks.

DRAFT PARTY: Fox Sports Grill, Scottsdale, open only to season ticket holders.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR: More than a dozen foreign-born players could be taken in the first round.
• The Republic Mock Draft


There doesn't figure to be much drama at the top of Thursday's NBA draft, where the first three picks are pretty much nailed down.

Ohio prep sensation LeBron James is already down in ink next to the Cleveland Cavaliers, who have the first pick. Detroit general manager Joe Dumars is committed to Darko Milicic with the second pick, leaving Syracuse's Carmelo Anthony for Denver at No. 3.

After that, however, it could get dicey, with a number of teams looking to move up, others to move down. That leaves the Suns in a wait-and-see mode at No. 17.

If the draft unfolds as the Phoenix brain trust anticipates, though, the Suns should be picking from a group that includes point guards Luke Ridnour of Oregon, Reece Gaines of Louisville and Marcus Banks of Nevada-Las Vegas; forwards Nick Collison of Kansas, Brian Cook of Illinois and Serbia's Zarko Cabarkapa; and 18-year-old center-forward Sofoklis "Baby Shaq" Schortsanitis.

A player who might slide into their reach is Polish forward Maciej Lampe. As fallbacks, the Suns would look at guard Aleksandar Pavlovic and Frenchman Boris Diaw-Riffiod.

Widespread speculation is that Cabarkapa is the player the Suns want most, but it's likely they'll come away with Cabarkapa, Cook or Ridnour and consider it a successful draft.

"That's a pretty good group," said Dick Van Arsdale, vice president and player personnel director. "Of course, there could always be somebody that drops from above."

That's what happened when the Suns stole Michael Finley with the 21st pick in the 1995 draft. Jake Tsakalidis, who had been projected as a possible lottery pick in 2000, was still on the board when the Suns picked at No. 25.

What seems certain is that the Suns aren't likely to land another NBA Rookie of the Year, as they did last summer when they selected Amare Stoudemire directly from high school.

"I think at 17, if we're lucky, we could get a guy who could help us this year," Van Arsdale said. "I don't think we'll have to take a guy who is a total project. Baby Shaq, because he's only 18, is probably the biggest project in that group.

"We hope whoever it is, he can help us. But we don't anticipate anybody who is going to help us like Amare did last season. That's too much to ask for."

Thursday's shakeout could begin as soon as the No. 4 pick, currently held by Toronto. The New York Knicks, with the ninth pick, are among teams trying to trade up. Miami, at No. 5, might join Toronto in attempting to move down. Also, the Chicago Bulls may be re-evaluating their plan after playmaking guard Jay Williams suffered career-threatening injuries in a motorcycle crash.

This is widely regarded as a deep draft, with a lot of promising players possibly available in the second round.

"The question is," said Bryan Colangelo, Suns president and general manager, "after the third pick, which direction does it turn? Anyone that has the answer is probably going to get rich off this thing.

"After the third pick, there is clearly a drop to another level. There may be players picked at 20 or in the late teens that turn out to be a better player, or at least make a bigger initial impact, than somebody taken from four to 10."

The Suns have had every player on their "A" list in for workouts except Banks, who apparently told them that he had an injury that prevented him from working out. It's not unusual for a team to have a player work out and promise him that he won't last beyond the team's pick. Then the player cancels workouts with teams drafting after that spot.

It's no secret that the Boston Celtics, with former Suns coach Danny Ainge as director of basketball operations, have interest in Banks. They pick directly in front of the Suns at No. 16.

It might not matter if Seattle scoops up Banks before the Celtics, who also could beat the Suns to Collison.

The draft lost one possible top-10 pick when 7-foot-4 Russian center Pavel Podkolzine opted to pull out. The 18-year-old was diagnosed with a pituitary gland problem that can be corrected with surgery.

Podkolzine said he pulled out because he couldn't get assurances of where he would be selected. At least one league insider said that while he may look good in workouts, in game situations he appears lost and slow.

The draft also will be without Charlie Villanueva, a prep star from Blair Academy in New Jersey, who opted to enroll at Connecticut.

Most NBA insiders say Arizona recruit Ndudi Ebi should have done the same, but he elected to remain in the draft, which indicates he believes he'll be taken in the first round. That would secure him a guaranteed three-year contract.

Atlanta could be his destination.
 
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Diaw
Gaines
Lampe?
Cook
Schortsanitis
Cabarkapa
Banks
Ridnour
Pavlovic
Collison


IMO pick will be Cabarkapa and my story hehe - well I'm in my mid-twenties and been collecting sports cards big time for 13 years and been following draft since 1994-1995 and made some good choices on who to load up on RC's, etc. but Cabarkapa reminds me so much of 1 of my first busts in Drafts: Carlos Rogers 1994-1995 - I got to see him play against UCLA (only game on Tv all year) and thought highly of prospect.

Cabarkapa could be Point-Forward, perimeter shooter, etc and could turn into excellent role player and in a few years be match-up problem at 4 position for Suns and I will accept pick but this is list for now.
 

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According to Young's mock in the Rep, Caba, Shortsy, West, and Lampe will all be available at #17.

That would be a tough choice. From what I am seeing Lampe will be gone by then. If not, I think they will take him. He seems to be a little bigger version of Caba. I know there are some complaints about his fire, but I don't believe it. I think that is just draft crap being shoveled.

If Shortsy is next on the list. At #17 you can take a risk. There is downside here but also huge upside. The Colangelos are always willing to roll the dice.

If those two are gone, they take Caba. There has been just too much talk about the Suns and this guy. If they did make him a promise, they might now be hoping he gets taken before #17 so they can take one of the other two.

I still think West might be the dark horse. He could be they guy they really want but are just not talking about.
 

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This is the order I believe the Suns have on their draft cards:

1. Lampe (if there)
2. Zarko (probable pick)
3. Ridnour
4. West
5. Sofoklis
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
This is the order I believe the Suns have on their draft cards:

1. Lampe (if there)
2. Zarko (probable pick)
3. Ridnour
4. West
5. Sofoklis

If you replaced West with Brian Cook I would agree with that list. I haven't heard the Phoenix Suns organization mentioned West since his work out, and I have a hard time believing if some sort of bluff.

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It is hard for me to believe that lampe will be there at 17.
If the suns did not promise a pick to Zarko, (I do not think they did, it was too early) then someone did. He may be gone before 17.
Sofoklis is intriguing in the fact he can play center. He will be very hard to move out of position and will get lots of rebounds with his reach if he can jump just a little. He may also grow an inch or two because he just turned 18.

Lampe (I do not think he will be there?)
Zarko (too much talk....)
Cook (bought in twice)
Ridnour (only point they bought in)
Sofoklis (potential, potential)

Collison if he drops this far? (probably not)
Beasley is a possibility?

Joe does not want Ridnour, the way I do not want David West.
He is/wants to play power forward, and we have our power forward and, he is too slow to play small forward.

Last year I did not want Amare because of the failing of Kwame Brown.

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Luke Ridnour isn't the only PG who worked out for the Suns.

Derrick Zimmermann, Chris Thomas

They also like Marcus Banks (one of my top choices for #17 anyway) but as far as I know Banks has only worked out for the Lakers and Celtics.

They probably had Barbosa scheduled but he had an ankle injury or something like that during his workouts and went back to brazil for some time. Maybe that affected his workouts with the Suns.
On the other hand I heard that he worked out with the Sonics twice.
 

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slinslin said:
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Luke Ridnour isn't the only PG who worked out for the Suns.

Derrick Zimmermann, Chris Thomas
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Yes, but I was talking of someone who would be drafted on the 17th pick and neither of those will be.

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