Suns look to trade up to #2 for Williams

[Absolute Zero]

http://arizonasports.com/?nid=41&sid=1420948

I don't see how they get this done, but apparently there is a lot of buzz about the Suns and Twolves discussing this.

 

[devilalum]

Do the Twolves have any bad contracts the Suns would take? That's the only way I see it getting done.

IMO Gortat has the most trade value of any Suns player.

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO, Williams value is at PF a position he reportedly does not want to play. In the video I have watched, he jumps out as a PF but not so much as a SF. If the Suns could convince him to play PF he could be really good.

Maybe the Suns could offer the Wolves Frye, Lopez and #13 (or a future first round pick) for #2. It is a lot to give up but sometimes you have to give up something to get something. Also perhaps the Wolves would take Dudley, Lopez and a first round pick. I'd hate to part with either Frye or Dudley.

 

[SunsTzu]

Maybe the Suns could offer the Wolves Frye, Lopez and #13 (or a future first round pick) for #2. It is a lot to give up but sometimes you have to give up something to get something.

That is no where near the value to get the #2 pick. I'd be ecstatic if the Suns managed to pull off such a lopsided deal in their favor.

 

[TJ]

Maybe the Suns could offer the Wolves Frye, Lopez and #13 (or a future first round pick) for #2. It is a lot to give up but sometimes you have to give up something to get something. Also perhaps the Wolves would take Dudley, Lopez and a first round pick. I'd hate to part with either Frye or Dudley.

Yikes....I love Williams more than the next guy (see signature), but at the expense of Frye AND the #13?? No.

I'd be cool with Lopez (expendable at this point IMO), the #13 and a future pick, but I'm no GM nor do I pretend to be

But as long as Kahn is running the show in Minny, anything is possible.

 

[Mainstreet]

That is no where near the value to get the #2 pick. I'd be ecstatic if the Suns managed to pull off such a lopsided deal in their favor.

It's sort of a weird draft. The talent is deep but not elite at the the top. A team might get as good a player at #13 as #2. The Wolves might be thinking the same thing. I'm not sold on Williams unless he would commit to being happy playing PF.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is no where near the value to get the #2 pick. I'd be ecstatic if the Suns managed to pull off such a lopsided deal in their favor.

Forget about the #2 pick. It would be Frye, Lopez, and #13 for Williams. Can't see it happening. We would have to take something back salary wise.
Why have Frye, Beasley and Love from Minny's perspective. We would probably have to take back Flynn (yuck) and another undesirable contract.

I think there will be a player available at 13 that could be as good a player as Williams. Either Jimmer or Biyombo will be there and I believe they will both be good.

 

[jagu]

I was a major Frye hater but why not just leave Gortat and Frye together? They played very effective basketball together before the Durant no-call foul that dislocated Frye's shoulder right in front of the referee.

 

[slinslin]

Gortat for #2 and Darko is a no-brainer.

Derrick Williams would make me interested again..

C- Darko
PF-Frye
SF-Williams

is a decent big frontcourt...

If we could somehow add Jeremy Tyler to that as a PF/C prospect and a guard like Selby or Marshon Brooks that would be picture perfect.

Darko/Lopez/Tyler
Frye/Tyler/Warrick/Lawal
Williams/Hill/Childress
Dudley/M.Brooks/Pietrus
Nash/A.Brooks/Selby

15 player roster, obviousll Warrick, Lawal, Pietrus, Childress could be had for a bag of potatoe chips. And yes I know we won't add 4 rookies to our roster.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yikes....I love Williams more than the next guy (see signature), but at the expense of Frye AND the #13?? No.

I'd be cool with Lopez (expendable at this point IMO), the #13 and a future pick, but I'm no GM nor do I pretend to be

But as long as Kahn is running the show in Minny, anything is possible.

Also the Suns cannot really afford to lose Frye. Maybe the Suns send them during the draft Lopez, #13 and a 2012 first round pick for #2. To do this, the Suns would have to believe Williams is a future star... sooner rather than later. This type trade could bite the Suns or make them a player next season.

 

[slinslin]

The Suns can't be bitten, there is nothing to lose. Rebuilding is in store anyway.

Williams and Frye is a good combination of forwards. I would wonder what would happen to Grant Hill though. Backup for a year? Possible but what about Childress and Pietrus and Warrick they are just useless.

I would just be afraid that Derrick Williams would be slotted in as a PF by this team.....

 

[SunsTzu]

It's sort of a weird draft. The talent is deep but not elite at the the top. A team might get as good a player at #13 as #2. The Wolves might be thinking the same thing. I'm not sold on Williams unless he would commit to being happy playing PF.

The drop off after the 1st 2 picks is pretty steep. The problem the Wolves have is Williams is clearly the #2 pick but is a worse fit than pretty much all the other top picks due to their current roster. Similarly they have no use for Frye or Lopez.

The only player on the Suns I see the Wolves having interest in is Gortat.

 

[Mainstreet]

Gortat for #2 and Darko is a no-brainer.

Derrick Williams would make me interested again..

C- Darko
PF-Frye
SF-Williams

is a decent big frontcourt...

If we could somehow add Jeremy Tyler to that as a PF/C prospect and a guard like Selby or Marshon Brooks that would be picture perfect.

Darko/Lopez/Tyler
Frye/Tyler/Warrick/Lawal
Williams/Hill/Childress
Dudley/M.Brooks/Pietrus
Nash/A.Brooks/Selby

15 player roster, obviousll Warrick, Lawal, Pietrus, Childress could be had for a bag of potatoe chips. And yes I know we won't add 4 rookies to our roster.

Do you really see Williams as a SF? From the video I have seen he is at his best when he plays inside and he has the size and weight to do it. I definitely would not include Gortat in this trade. However, the Wolves would be awesome with Gortat at center and Love at PF... then add Rubio.

 

[slinslin]

Williams is a SF that can go inside. He is really good shooter for such a crafty player. Most importantly Williams would prefer to play SF.

Yes I see him as a SF ideally. He would mesh really well offensively with Frye because Frye can stretch the floor and allow Williams to go inside too.

Think Antawn Jamison, Michael Beasley, Larry Johnson etc...

 

[Mainstreet]

The drop off after the 1st 2 picks is pretty steep. The problem the Wolves have is Williams is clearly the #2 pick but is a worse fit than pretty much all the other top picks due to their current roster. Similarly they have no use for Frye or Lopez.

The only player on the Suns I see the Wolves having interest in is Gortat.

Then say thanks but no thanks. The Wolves should be happy with Lopez, #13 and perhaps an unprotected 2012 pick.

 

[Mainstreet]

Williams is a SF that can go inside. He is really good shooter for such a crafty player. Most importantly Williams would prefer to play SF.

Yes I see him as a SF ideally. He would mesh really well offensively with Frye because Frye can stretch the floor and allow Williams to go inside too.

Think Antawn Jamison, Michael Beasley, Larry Johnson etc...

Then this should remove any talk about Gortat being in the equation. I would rather keep Gortat and #13.

 

[SunsTzu]

Then say thanks but no thanks. The Wolves should be happy with Lopez, #13 and perhaps an unprotected 2012 pick.

You have to be out of your mind to not protect a 2012 pick considering how good that draft is looking and adding the fact the Suns are a Nash season ending injury away from being one if of if not the worst teams in the league.

And I see no reason why they should be happy with Lopez and the #13. Lopez is an often injured big who can't rebound and regressed from year 2 to year 3 and the #13 in this draft is nothing to be excited about.

 

[slinslin]

Then this should remove any talk about Gortat being in the equation. I would rather keep Gortat and #13.

You say you would rather have Gortat than Larry Johnson?

 

[Cheesebeef]

You have to be out of your mind to not protect a 2012 pick considering how good that draft is looking and adding the fact the Suns are a Nash season ending injury away from being one if of if not the worst teams in the league.

And I see no reason why they should be happy with Lopez and the #13. Lopez is an often injured big who can't rebound and regressed from year 2 to year 3 and the #13 in this draft is nothing to be excited about.

agreed with everything above... what you responded to makes zero sense to me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I posted this in another thread, but it seems more appropriate here.

And these are the #2 picks in the draft

2009 Hasheem Thabeet
2008 Michael Beasley
2007 Kevin Durant
2006 LaMarcus Alderidge
2005 Marvin Williams
2004 Emeka Okafor
2003 Darko Milicic
2002 Jay Williams
2001 Tyson Chandler
2000 Stromile Swift
1999 Steve Francis
1998 Mike Bibby
1997 Keith Van Horn
1996 Marcus Camby
1995 Antonio McDyess
1994 Jason Kidd
1993 Shawn Bradley

If we look at that list and take any of those players at 26 years old or so, I would only trade Gortat for Kidd, McDyess, Camby, Chandler, Durant (maybe for Okafor or Bibby). The odds of getting a player as good or better than Gortat are probably 4 or 5 out of 17. Why? Because Gortat is farther along and we now see what kind of player he is. The draft is a crap shoot at best. The smart move is to not gamble.

Every one of those players except Marvin Williams and Thabeet was more highly regarded than Derek Williams coming out. Just something to think about. The draft creates a wave of hype that makes teams and fans value picks more highly than they should.

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[slinslin]

Umm noo Aldridge wasn't that highly regarded and of course the only player that has a lesser resume than Gortat on that list are Thabeet and Swift and maybe Darko.

Everyone else is quiet far ahead of Gortat in terms of career achievements, even Bradley.

 

[SirStefan32]

Dudley, Gortat, and next year's draft pick should be off limits. I wouldn't be opposed to trading anyone else to get #2 pick.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Dudley, Gortat, and next year's draft pick should be off limits. I wouldn't be opposed to trading anyone else to get #2 pick.

Agreed. I just can't get that excited to trade too much to get Williams, who I see as a decent but not all star level player.

 

[devilalum]

The Suns can't trade another #1 until they settle with Houston.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

The Suns can't trade another #1 until they settle with Houston.

They would not be able to trade two of their own first round picks in back to back years, as Mainstreet suggests. They would however, be able to pair and trade this year's first and their first in 2013 in a particular deal.