Suns look to trade up to #2 for Williams

[Folster]

screw beasley... Nash for the #2 straight up and i'd be beyond happy. we'd be TERRIBLE this year, but probably have a super high pick in what could be a monster draft next year... maybe grab Sullinger at that point and with a young-front court of Williams, Sullinger, Gortat, it might be enough young exciting pieces to lure a Deron Williams or Chris Paul, just like we did Nash back in 2004... which would turn us into a young contending team IMMEDIATELY. Not to mention it would be a young DEFENSIVE team as well, not to mention the potential for great rebounding.

ah... a man can dream, can't he?

I can see why the front office would be reluctant to trade Nash, but getting the #2 pick back in exchange is a no-brainer. I'm not sure why we're concerned with trading Nash to a losing team because if he stays in Phoenix for the last year of his contract, he'll be playing for a... losing team likely worst than last seasons. Either way, he's planning on leaving and joining a contender after this coming season. We might as well get something for him besides a TPE and a conditional second rounder.

Nash for the #2

Brooks, Shumpert (at 13?)
Duds, ?
Williams, Childress
Frye, Warrick
Gortat, Lopez

 

[elindholm]

It sounds to me like the Minnesota front office is trying to drive up the price for the #2 by "leaking" every bizarre rumor they can think of. There's no way in hell the Suns are trading Nash to Minnesota.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It sounds to me like the Minnesota front office is trying to drive up the price for the #2 by "leaking" every bizarre rumor they can think of. There's no way in hell the Suns are trading Nash to Minnesota.

i know... but a man can dream, right?

 

[Errntknght]

Frankly, I don't know why the Wolves imagine Nash would successfully mentor Rubio - every PG that played behind him got worse not better. Much of it had to do with crises of confidence on their part but if Steve were any sort of a mentor he should help with that. Now if Minny didn't let Nash play - essentially turned him into a coach - he might wind up helping Rubio.

As 'cheese' pointed out half the value of trading Nash is that the Suns would be so bad they'd get good draft picks for a couple of years - clearly looks to be a very good draft next year. We might get lucky yet - I'd be happy with a late first rounder(this year or next) and a TPE/expiring from some contender.

Another possibility is that the lockout goes on a while and Nash decides to retire. Even that would help.

 

[leclerc]

Because it's his last year of the current contract and we will suck even harder without him, thus getting a higher pick next year, I'm absolutely for trading my man Steve Nash for #2. Maybe throw in someone outside of Gortat and hopefully not Duds, Frye or #13.

We could soon have a core of Gortat, Frye, Williams, Duds, #13 and next years high (lottery?) 1st round pick + room to sign someone more than decent. There are options... let's see tomorrow.

 

[jagu]

I've finally accepted we aren't going to trade up to the number 2 and we are probably going to pick some toolsy guy at the 13th pick who will be no better than Earl Clark. Whose with me?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Nash and parts for the #2? I'd do it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've finally accepted we aren't going to trade up to the number 2 and we are probably going to pick some toolsy guy at the 13th pick who will be no better than Earl Clark. Whose with me?

If you always expect the worst, you will more often be pleasantly surprised.

I am with you. Tomorrow will be a frustrating day.

 

[jagu]

At the very least I hope its Faried, at least you can watch him hussle (a Lou Amundson mold with more power).

 

[mojorizen7]

These talks of trading Nashy for the #2 are beyond the limits of the Suns' vision for what would be a no-brainer of a move. There's no vision for the future here, beyond the financial future i mean.

 

[mojorizen7]

Nash and parts for the #2? I'd do it.

Absolutely. Suns would probably have to include Duds though....unless we could talk Minnesota into taking G.Hill and Lopez.

 

[Folster]

Absolutely. Suns would probably have to include Duds though....unless we could talk Minnesota into taking G.Hill and Lopez.

I'm not sure the Suns could include much more due to salary implications. Nash for the #2 means Minnesota will have to include $10 mil in salaries to match. Adding more players on our end would make it eve more difficult for Minny to match up salaries.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm not sure the Suns could include much more due to salary implications. Nash for the #2 means Minnesota will have to include $10 mil in salaries to match. Adding more players on our end would make it eve more difficult for Minny to match up salaries.

Well sure,but including Hill's salary over Duds salary should make that easier right?
I haven't tried to match it up.

I'd like to somehow see Nash & Hill stay together....i think they've bonded closely near the end of their careers,and overachieving despite their age.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

nash for #2. do it.

tomorrow night is gonna suck.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Three way trade since Minny apparently covets Bynum

Lakers Out

Bynum

Phoenix Out

Jared Dudley

Marcin Gortat

Minnesota Out

Michael Beasley

#2 Pick

Minny gets Bynum

Suns gets Beasley and Williams #2

Lakers get Gortat to replace Bynum and Jared Dudley who is perfect for that team.

Suns draft best big man or 2 guard at #13.

Suns could run out

Nash
Jimmer
Williams
Beasley
Frye

LOL couldnt make it all the way through that. That team couldn't guard a chair

 

[Arizona's Finest]

nash for #2. do it.

tomorrow night is gonna suck.

Man I get all the rebuild and get rid of Nash now arguments....

but seriously, there has got to be SOME compassion and loyalty for the guy who has ALWAYS done the right thing, came back here, worked his ass off and been the prodigal leader and teammate, had a teammate steal his idea for a TV show and another impregnate his wife (allegedly).

You can't trade him to Siberia like that and not feel a bit of remorse. Why would any FA EVER come play here after that?

I don't consider myself a bleeding heart, but if you do trade Nash, it HAS to be to some semblance of a contender. This is not just about the Suns getting better in a vacum. You have to at least do a modicum of the right thing in any Nash trade scenario.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Actually the UofA has produced some pretty solid NBA lottery talent over the last 10-15 years or so.
A.Iguodala
R.Jefferson
J.Terry
C.Frye
M.Bibby
B.Williams
D.Stoudemire
S.Elliot

There have been very few lottery "busts" coming out of Tucson. Chances are Williams becomes a factor in this league.

FWIW

Look at you Mojo


The fact you would have to explain this to an NBA "fan" is beyond me.

Check out this link

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/...dcats-basketball-players-nba-salary-list.html

As I am on the record as saying....I think Williams is going to outperform them all.

 

[Covert Rain]

A few things we know. We can axe any scenario that sends Gortat and Nash anywhere now that Babby has confirmed neither is going anywhere.

This also means we probably won't move up in the draft unless we decide to ship another #1 or someone has delusions of grandeur about Lopez.

Last but not least, barring a big trade we can look forward to another bad season in the books and possibly a higher position in the draft next season. We could possibly be a tad better next season but nobody we draft is going to make the kind of impact on our roster that wouldn't say early exit if we managed to squeak in.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man I get all the rebuild and get rid of Nash now arguments....

but seriously, there has got to be SOME compassion and loyalty for the guy who has ALWAYS done the right thing, came back here, worked his ass off and been the prodigal leader and teammate, had a teammate steal his idea for a TV show and another impregnate his wife (allegedly).

You can't trade him to Siberia like that and not feel a bit of remorse. Why would any FA EVER come play here after that?

I don't consider myself a bleeding heart, but if you do trade Nash, it HAS to be to some semblance of a contender. This is not just about the Suns getting better in a vacum. You have to at least do a modicum of the right thing in any Nash trade scenario.

doing the "right" thing hasn't netted us a single championship.

and FAs follow the $$$ first and the chance at winning second. they don't give a crap about an organization's prior loyalty to an old player.

this is a basketball team. the goal is to win, or to build a team that eventually can win, it all. it's not an old folks home. a team can trade an asset to benefit their team in the near or long term, you do it. great companies don't keep assets that aren't as useful as possible, why should a basketball team?

and i love little stevie nash. but i love the suns (minus sarver) more. do what's best for the team, not the individual.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

do what's best for the team, not the individual.

Right on, Karl Marx!!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

doing the "right" thing hasn't netted us a single championship.

and FAs follow the $$$ first and the chance at winning second. they don't give a crap about an organization's prior loyalty to an old player.

this is a basketball team. the goal is to win, or to build a team that eventually can win, it all. it's not an old folks home. a team can trade an asset to benefit their team in the near or long term, you do it. great companies don't keep assets that aren't as useful as possible, why should a basketball team?

and i love little stevie nash. but i love the suns (minus sarver) more. do what's best for the team, not the individual.

if the Rockets could trade their all-everything two time champion, three time finalist Hakeem to the raptors when it was apparent his time had come and gone, this team can trade nash to whoever it wants.

players go where the money is good and where they believe they can win. period.

 

[Covert Rain]

and i love little stevie nash. but i love the suns (minus sarver) more. do what's best for the team, not the individual.

Right on, Karl Marx!!!!

Or...."The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one"

Spock.

 

[mojorizen7]

doing the "right" thing hasn't netted us a single championship.

and FAs follow the $$$ first and the chance at winning second. they don't give a crap about an organization's prior loyalty to an old player.

this is a basketball team. the goal is to win, or to build a team that eventually can win, it all. it's not an old folks home. a team can trade an asset to benefit their team in the near or long term, you do it. great companies don't keep assets that aren't as useful as possible, why should a basketball team?

and i love little stevie nash. but i love the suns (minus sarver) more. do what's best for the team, not the individual.

 

[Magnus]

Or...."The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one"

Spock.

I wonder if Vulcan Mind Melt would be considered a technical foul

Or if ones brain would explode if attempted on Lopez.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I wonder if Vulcan Mind Melt would be considered a technical foul

Or if ones brain would explode if attempted on Lopez.

I'm pretty sure if you used the Vulcan Mind Melt it wouldn't just be a technical foul.

Steve