Suns looking at Devean George?

[SunsTzu]

Please, NO!

Agreed. I'd much rather George go to the Mavs or another top contender. Having him on the court benefits the Suns as long as he isn't wearing a Phoenix jersey.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd take Magloire over KT/JR, assuming we could sign Jumaine Jones or Devean George. Magloire is healthier, can play just as solid defense and is younger than KT and either Jones or George can be just as effective as JR in limited minutes.

That being said, I don't expect it to happen.

 

[Chaz]

I'd take Magloire over KT/JR, assuming we could sign Jumaine Jones or Devean George. Magloire is healthier, can play just as solid defense and is younger than KT and either Jones or George can be just as effective as JR in limited minutes.

That being said, I don't expect it to happen.

I don't question Magloire's abilities just his effort and consistancy.

Especially if the team that just traded for him is ready to give up on him already.

Also this would not address our salary or depth issues. We need to add a front court player not just trade one for another. I see how his expiring contract gives us relief after this year but to loose him next summer would hurt our depth on an already thin front line.

 

[Nasser22]

I would never even think about trading Kurt for Magloire. That would make us worse and we need to win this year. I like JR more than George. I would like us to sign George if that means taking away from Dallas. If he can fit in as a PF then that'll be perfect for us. D'Antoni likes playing small line-ups so why not sign him as a solid 10th man? He isn't asking for much and the Suns can sign him to a 1-year contract because that's what Dallas is doing. I'd prefer Reggie Evans if we can get him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't question Magloire's abilities just his effort and consistancy.

Especially if the team that just traded for him is ready to give up on him already.

Also this would not address our salary or depth issues. We need to add a front court player not just trade one for another. I see how his expiring contract gives us relief after this year but to loose him next summer would hurt our depth on an already thin front line.

our big man "depth" is going to be taken care of via Atlanta's pick in the draft next year. Berst draft for big men in decades. That's not a worry of mine. As far as questioning Magloire's effort and consistency, the guy's going into a contract year... if he's ever going to have a great year, this is gonna be it.

Besides the fact that I don't think we're going to address our big man depth issues. There's been VERY little chatter about it and the one guy who did fit our system, we didn't think was worth what he wanted (TT). Thus, I see getting Magloire as a big positive for a couple reasons: a) He's younger and bigger than KT and has shown to be just as good of a player b) he's going into a contract year which means we're likely going to see the best Magloire there is - another big plus c) he either comes off the books next year OR we actually have a bonafide starting C for the future (neither of which we have with KT) and if he does go bye-bye, we're ready to replace him in the draft with a high-mid range lotto pick in a draft stocked with big men.

JR and Jones and George are all interchangeable.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would never even think about trading Kurt for Magloire. That would make us worse and we need to win this year. I like JR more than George. I would like us to sign George if that means taking away from Dallas. If he can fit in as a PF then that'll be perfect for us. D'Antoni likes playing small line-ups so why not sign him as a solid 10th man? He isn't asking for much and the Suns can sign him to a 1-year contract because that's what Dallas is doing. I'd prefer Reggie Evans if we can get him.

Uh, how would it make us WORSE? Magloire has MORE tools than KT and is going into a contract year, which means his motivation to actually use those tools will be pretty damn high.

And good lord - DEVEAN GEORGE FITTING IN AT PF? Guys, just because Marion sometimes switches over to PF, doesn't mean EVERY SF IN THE LEAGUE CAN.

 

[Ballamania]

devean george would not be bad but i want another big to go with what we have. i agree with whoever said that george wasnt used right in L.A. i think his shooting and athleticisim would fit in phoenix but like i said i PREFER a big.

 

[Nasser22]

our big man "depth" is going to be taken care of via Atlanta's pick in the draft next year. Berst draft for big men in decades. That's not a worry of mine. As far as questioning Magloire's effort and consistency, the guy's going into a contract year... if he's ever going to have a great year, this is gonna be it.

Besides the fact that I don't think we're going to address our big man depth issues. There's been VERY little chatter about it and the one guy who did fit our system, we didn't think was worth what he wanted (TT). Thus, I see getting Magloire as a big positive for a couple reasons: a) He's younger and bigger than KT and has shown to be just as good of a player b) he's going into a contract year which means we're likely going to see the best Magloire there is - another big plus c) he either comes off the books next year OR we actually have a bonafide starting C for the future (neither of which we have with KT) and if he does go bye-bye, we're ready to replace him in the draft with a high-mid range lotto pick in a draft stocked with big men.

JR and Jones and George are all interchangeable.

Good points but is his defense as good? When KT went down with an injury our defense dropped off big time... I like KT on this team a lot and I don't feel good about trying to replace him.

Edit: I don't know, looking at his stats and what I saw last year I think I'd prefer Kurt to say and share time with Diaw at center. It may be a decent trade straight-up but then you add James Jones too who I like better than George.

 

[Ballamania]

the thing that magloire brings that k.t. doesnt is the shot blocking and wide body. he will intimidate guys going to the basket and it would be nice to have someone back there like that. i really dont want to see teams get those extra possessions and easy rolls to the basket with no concern of a block. he's not the fastest guy and his fifteen footer isnt automatic but which does this team need more? do we need the fifteen footer or the guy who will make it harder for teams to get layups and offensive rebounds.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good points but is his defense as good? When KT went down with an injury our defense dropped off big time... I like KT on this team a lot and I don't feel good about trying to replace him.

Magloire's an above average defender (not great or even very good), probably akin to KT, but he brings more size to the court. IMO, he can body up Duncan more effectively than KT.

Don't get me wrong about KT, I like him too. I'd love to somehow get Magloire with KT and giver us some real beef up front, but that ain't gonna happen. I'm just worried about him lasting throughout the season at 33 going on 34 and then STILL having another year on the books at 8 million for the following season when he's gonna be 34-going on 35. That's a lot of running and pounding on a body that broke down last season.

 

[Nasser22]

the thing that magloire brings that k.t. doesnt is the shot blocking and wide body. he will intimidate guys going to the basket and it would be nice to have someone back there like that. i really dont want to see teams get those extra possessions and easy rolls to the basket with no concern of a block. he's not the fastest guy and his fifteen footer isnt automatic but which does this team need more? do we need the fifteen footer or the guy who will make it harder for teams to get layups and offensive rebounds.

Magloire and KT both averaged 1 block and Magloire played 4 or 5 more minutes so I don't think he's a better shot blocker...

 

[Ballamania]

just the fact of him being able to get over the rim and challenge a shot is deterrence enough for me. k.t. does play good position defense but he aint challenging nothing over the rim.

 

[asudevil83]

finally someone talking some sense into people over here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Magloire and KT both averaged 1 block and Magloire played 4 or 5 more minutes so I don't think he's a better shot blocker...

he also averaged almost 2 more rebounds per game - and Magloire played 30.1 minutes to KT's 26.6 - that's 3 and half minutes more, not 4 or 5 minutes.

I don't want Magloire because he's a shot-blocker - I'd want him because he's a better rebounder, he's a wide body who takes up space and he's just as good of a scorer and YOUNGER.

 

[Gaddabout]

Magloire's decent at both ends of the floor. In terms of true centers, he would actually be one of the better centers in Suns history. What's working against him is what he can't do: He doesn't run, he can't pick-and-roll, he can shoot beyond the arc, and he can only play one position. Just like the 100 some odd other big men in the NBA.

Based on that assessment, is there anyone here that still believes the Suns are interested? He'd be an important player on 29 other teams.

 

[Ballamania]

i'm on that same page cheese.

 

[Chaz]

If Magliore had the work ethic or the jump shot of KT I don't think MIL would be looking to trade him. They would be trying to re-sign him.

Yes, Magliore is more talented physically. I never doubted that or suggested otherwise.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Maagloire is actually a player who I would trade KT for. His advantages are the contract, youth, productivity and durability. I would not trade KT for just anyone, but Maagloire makes sense. If he can nail that 15'-17' jumper from the wing to the baseline, we'd be just fine. If he can't (can't speak to that because I have not seen him ply too much and especially since he left CHA), then his acquisition might hinder us.

It appears that he'd be good for those 30 mpg here and we wouldn't have to worry about him breaking down, so we'd still have to find a vet min backup. Aaron Williams would be great in this role.

So, if we trade KT/Jones for Maagloire, we'd be stocked just fine for a championship run. Adding George would then be a fine idea. I don't think George makes sense at this moment, but if we got our top 2 C's and lost Jones, George would make sense....

Nash/Banks
Bell/Barbosa
Marion/Diaw/George/Piatkoski
Stoudemire
Maagloire/Williams/Burke

I think our 2nd unit would be even faster than the 1st unit!

Nash-Bell-Marion-Stoudemire-Maagloire

vs.

Banks-Barbosa-George-Diaw-Williams

Teams would NEVER get a breather in a game....

 

[Cheesebeef]

Magloire's decent at both ends of the floor. In terms of true centers, he would actually be one of the better centers in Suns history. What's working against him is what he can't do: He doesn't run, he can't pick-and-roll, he can shoot beyond the arc, and he can only play one position.

wait, wait ,w ait. Are you telling me KT CAN do all those things you just mentioned? KT doesn't run, he can't shoot beyond the arc and he plays one position and I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that Magloire is comparable on the pick and roll.

 

[asudevil83]

If Magliore had the work ethic or the jump shot of KT I don't think MIL would be looking to trade him. They would be trying to re-sign him.

Yes, Magliore is more talented physically. I never doubted that or suggested otherwise.

not with Gadzuric and Bogut locked up to deals for the near long term, and both Redd and Simmons making some serious money for a LONG time. lastly, if they feel that they can resign Joe Smith for cheap as a backup and let both Bogut and Gadzuric develop as starters, then their is absolutely no reason to overpay some guy to sit on the bench. the bucks have more important needs than Magloire.

 

[asudevil83]

instead of George i'd be more inclined to use some of, if not all, our TE on Jumaine Jones, using the Charlotte pick they owe us as a little incentive if they arent up for resigning the guy.

 

[Nasser22]

not with Gadzuric and Bogut locked up to deals for the near long term, and both Redd and Simmons making some serious money for a LONG time. lastly, if they feel that they can resign Joe Smith for cheap as a backup and let both Bogut and Gadzuric develop as starters, then their is absolutely no reason to overpay some guy to sit on the bench. the bucks have more important needs than Magloire.

I thought he had problems with the team and all the Bucks fans i've talked to seemed to hate it.

I'm just glad this is just a trade thought up by fans because I personally like KT/JJ over Magloire and the other Jones.

All we need now is just another big man. Why not Reggie Evans? He's a very good rebounder and not totally inept on the offensive end like most other choices we have.

I just don't think it's smart to change the team much. I like the guys that are on this team. Kurt didn't have too much trouble running and lost a lot of weight to be able to play with us. If they cut down his minutes a little and save him near the end for the playoff run he'll be fine. This is a good team and I think they are just one piece away from winning the championship this year.

 

[SunsTzu]

and I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that Magloire is comparable on the pick and roll.

Actually it is a pretty big stretch. Magloire doesn't set many picks and is pretty shot happy when he gets the ball. Also while KT may not be able to hit beyond the arc he is certainly a better jump shooter and gives the Suns better spacing. Provided KT is healthy and the Suns don't mind his contract being a year longer I'd rather have him. Not to mention Magloire threw a hissy fit about Nash hosting a charity game in Toronto last year.

 

[asudevil83]

I thought he had problems with the team and all the Bucks fans i've talked to seemed to hate it.

I'm just glad this is just a trade thought up by fans because I personally like KT/JJ over Magloire and the other Jones.

All we need now is just another big man. Why not Reggie Evans? He's a very good rebounder and not totally inept on the offensive end like most other choices we have.

its not just about talent...its about MONEY. i WANT YOU to tell me what the suns should do next offseason, when Barbosa's and Diaw's contracts kick in. the will be at over $75mil in salaries.....at least.

and going after Evans (with what?...i might add), makes the situation even worse.

 

[Nasser22]

its not just about talent...its about MONEY. i WANT YOU to tell me what the suns should do next offseason, when Barbosa's and Diaw's contracts kick in. the will be at over $75mil in salaries.....at least.

and going after Evans (with what?...i might add), makes the situation even worse.

I really don't care about next off-season. If they can win a championship next year i'll be happy. Then they can have another couple of average years until they are contenders again with Amare, Diaw, Barbosa and whoever else is on the team. I think if they worry about money right now there will be no championship this year.