Suns looking to move up?

[devilalum]

If the Suns trade Marion for any of this crap and Amare doesn't come back a 100% and play in at least 70 games they'll struggle to win 45.

The Suns don't need a high draft pick their window is NOW!

If they stand pat, get even an 80% Amare and healthy KT back, trade those 2 picks for a late teens pick role player and sign someone nice with the exception they'll be the favorite to win it all.

What else could any of us possibly ask for?

The future is NOW?

 

[Covert Rain]

Agree. The fact that you can get 20-10 from 1 person versus 3 is huge. that means you can depend on 1 player versus banking on 3 players all having good games. That is a no brainer.

Also, why the heck would you bank on Diaw defending better or rebounding better all of the sudden. No thanks. It's not like Diaw won't get minutes next year. He will probably be the first option off the bench for at least 3 positions.

You just can't take rebounding and defense off this team and hope you get it from Diaw, 3 players or some rookie from the draft. The object is to get better.... not guess and hope you get better. The Suns can't afford to gamble when they already didn't have enough defense or rebounding.

Let Kurt, Amare and Marion play together for 1 season for god sake and see what they can do. We didn't get a chance to see it and I think with the 3 of them, this lineup has a chance to be special next year.

Just like the Diamondbacks, you have to be willing to take your shot while our close. That time is now not in a few years as you develope rookies. You don't trade away players for salary cap relief for the sake of the future. You take your shot while you have your shot.

 

[panfolk]

god bless you

I take it you think Sefolosha would be good also? Or is that a sneeze joke?

 

[boisesuns]

I take it you think Sefolosha would be good also? Or is that a sneeze joke?

Sounds like a sneeze joke to me.

 

[Joe Mama]

I personally don't think Scott Skiles would give his stamp of approval on Shawn Marion. Skiles was not a big fan when he was coach here, and I really doubt she would want the matrix at his current pay rate, especially if he had to give up players and picks to get him.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I personally don't think Scott Skiles would give his stamp of approval on Shawn Marion. Skiles was not a big fan when he was coach here, and I really doubt she would want the matrix at his current pay rate, especially if he had to give up players and picks to get him.

I'm not so sure on that one. The more I think about it, the more I think Skiles may want Marion again....

I'm assuming that Skiles would rather have Marion than another young pick and a player like Gordon who he doesn't really have a need for anyways.

About Marion, the one thing Skiles demands no matter what is effort. People can say what they want about Shawn, but he works his butt off on every single possession of every single game. Skiles loves stuff like that, especially if it comes from a team captain since it sets the tone for the rest of the young squad.

Also, Skiles has toned it down a lot since his Phoenix days. I would be more worried about Marion's reaction to the hard nose coaching style than I would be of Skiles' acceptance of Marion. With Skiles not being so hard on his players, Marion might be able to take it.

 

[JWF]

There is no need to trade Marion at this point. So I wouldnt worry about whether or not Skiles would want him in Chicago. The only way marion gets moved is for a blockbuster trade(I mean a trade involving proven Vets). Which almost no team, except Minnesota can offer(and that is almost garunteed not to happen).

We dont need draft picks and even younger players(Deng, etc...) at this point to actually get the team over the hump. We need Amare inserted into this past season's lineup , and proven veterans for bench help....thats it.

I know people like flashy moves, but this team made all the necessary moves last year. We only need minor tweaking at this point. Face it, its going to be a boring offseason with the exception of Amare's progress during the Summer Leagues. The draft is interesting, but dont expect that part of the offseason to show itself until a few seasons from now.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

The only way marion gets moved is for a blockbuster trade. Which almost no team, except Minnesota can offer.

I think that any trade involving Marion would be considered a blockbuster trade - no matter what we got in return.

 

[JWF]

I think that any trade involving Marion would be considered a blockbuster trade - no matter what we got in return.

I dont see it that way at all. Maybe to us Suns fans it would be regardless, we obviously will view any deal involing one of our best players as "blockbuster". I highly doubt a non-suns/team fan involved regardes anything less than Star for Star as a blockbuster deal.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I dont see it that way at all. While any trade involving him would be big... draft picks and role players in return wouldnt constitute "Blockbuster". Blockbuster would be something more like big names moved for big names. Something that makes massive headlines....IE...KG for Marion....etc...atleast thats how I think most people would view it.

I was just making a little joke. But I think that people considered Marbury to NY a blockbuster deal....

Anyways I could see the Suns moving Marion for a couple young studs and a pick - not sure what I would think about it, but I think it would be possible

 

[F-Dog]

Marion's not going anywhere.


I still can't imagine that the Suns would trade up for Sene. They're too close to a championship (and too close to the lux tax) to waste their resources and cap space on a 4- or 5-year project, even discounting the fact that there's no space for a no-dimensional center in the team's offense. It's no coincidence that every big man the Suns have acquired since Steven Hunter had a rep as a reliable mid-range shooter.

On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me too much if they moved up for Spanish Chocolate (Rodriguez). At least Rodriguez might be a 10 mpg stopgap his first year, and I'm sure the Suns are more confident in their ability to scout PGs.



Most likely, though, they're looking for the best swingman available. If the Suns could get into range for Ronnie Brewer, any thought of these other prospects would probably fly out the window.

 

[slinslin]

Ronnie Brewer can't shoot though, do we want 3 guys with ugly jumpers on one team?

 

[slinslin]

"I'm real good friends with (fellow former Arkansas Razorback) Joe Johnson, so I look at some of the things he does that make him successful. He's also a tall guard who can handle the ball. He's a little more consistent than me, but that takes work to

I think I would pass on Brewer.

 

[George O'Brien]

I think I would pass on Brewer.

nbadraft.com's profile of Brewer is typical:

NBA Comparison: Marquis Daniels

Strengths: 2 guard with great versatility ... Very intriguing because of his ability to run the show from the point guard position ... Has good leadership abilities ... Creates well off the dribble with a quick first step ... Elevates his teammates play with his passing ability ... Excellent vision, creating easy baskets for open teammates ... Thoroughbred type of athlete, very strong frame, think legs, extremely fast in the open floor ... Long arms and quick hands make him a defensive nightmare ... Great rebounder at the guard position ... Aggressive defender ... Anticipates passes well and forces a ton of steals with his on ball pressure ... Has range out to college three with good accuracy ... Has a great feel for the game which comes from being around basketball his whole life ...

Weaknesses: A childhood water slide accident left him with a small bone protruding from his triceps area which has created an abnormal shooting form ... Not a great spot up shooter, makes most of his shots moving towards the basket, a rhythm shooter ... Much quicker than he is athletic, wont wow you with monster dunks, but not a bad leaper ... Mostly effective with the ball in his hands, so some feel he must dominate the ball to be effective ...

Notes: His father (Ron Brewer) was drafted 7th in the 1978 NBA Draft. He had an 8 year career averaging 11 ppg, and averaged over 18 ppg. in the 1982 season.

Basically, you take him only if you think he's a point guard. If not, his lack of a great outside shot is a turnoff.

 

[overseascardfan]

As I've said all along just keep our picks and select 2 guys that will be bench players and eventually contribute and replace someone either released or traded.

I say Josh Boone at #21 and Daniel Gibson at 27. Gibson may be another LB but in case we need to trade LB have someone who could fill his spot. Boone would eventually replace KT and provide depth at C off the bench.

 

[JWF]

I was just making a little joke. But I think that people considered Marbury to NY a blockbuster deal....

Anyways I could see the Suns moving Marion for a couple young studs and a pick - not sure what I would think about it, but I think it would be possible

fair enough. I just think super star for super star when i hear "blockbuster trade".

 

[Nash]

News about trading up from the Suns website:

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/tribune_060620.html

 

[JCSunsfan]

Curious to hear your thoughts on how high a pick these packages would garner.

#21 and #27--IMO it would move us up about 5-6 slots, say #13-#15.

21, 27, plus the Atlanta pick next year. Seems to me that would get us in the top 4 or 5, maybe as high as #1 in this weak draft.

21, 27, and James Jones. 8-11

21, 27, Kurt Thomas. 8-11

21, 27, Eddie House. 11-13

21, 27, and LB. 5-10?

I am really taking stabs in the dark with these. I would be curious to know your thoughts.

 

[George O'Brien]

Curious to hear your thoughts on how high a pick these packages would garner.

#21 and #27--IMO it would move us up about 5-6 slots, say #13-#15.

21, 27, plus the Atlanta pick next year. Seems to me that would get us in the top 4 or 5, maybe as high as #1 in this weak draft.

21, 27, and James Jones. 8-11

21, 27, Kurt Thomas. 8-11

21, 27, Eddie House. 11-13

21, 27, and LB. 5-10?

I am really taking stabs in the dark with these. I would be curious to know your thoughts.

I don't see the 21 & 27 getting more than about 17th at best. It would have to be a day of the draft type deal.

I am 100% opposed to moving the Atlanta pick just to move up. Reviews are that this year's college freshman class is loaded. Obviously it's a gamble in that the Hawks could move up, but I'd hate to trade away a pick that could get a major impact player next summer.

Including players to move up is simply not feasible due to cap match issues and no one is going to give anything for Eddie who may opt out of his contract anyway.

 

[PhxGametime]

I am 100% opposed to moving the Atlanta pick just to move up. Reviews are that this year's college freshman class is loaded.

Gerald Henderson G/F is pretty darn good, Kevin Durant SF is super thin and more of a SF right now (Summit game was nothing but perimeter shots and dunks), Brandan Wright PF is super thin and can really get up but IMO a lot of these big man are going to be advised to wait a year... Noah and Aldridge made names for themselves Sophmore year. Spencer Hawes C is a little bigger but he's nowhere the athlete that Wright and Durant are... Thaddeus Young G/F will be a pretty good swing but other than Henderson, they just don't look like they are NBA ready as NBA bigman... Durant with his height, athleticism, guard like skills, and 3PT shooting probably will come out but he's not an NBA PF right now...


Wayne Ellington G and Paul Harris G impressed but are more of an NBA combo guard (not sure Harris has an outside shot right now but man he is built like Lebron James at 6'5 and can D up) - Budinger didn't play in the Hoops Summit but being an UofA fan, I'm hoping he'll stick around a few years


Those are the best of the class (that I know of)...

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Gerald Henderson G/F is pretty darn good, Kevin Durant SF is super thin and more of a SF right now (Summit game was nothing but perimeter shots and dunks), Brandan Wright PF is super thin and can really get up but IMO a lot of these big man are going to be advised to wait a year... Noah and Aldridge made names for themselves Sophmore year. Spencer Hawes C is a little bigger but he's nowhere the athlete that Wright and Durant are... Thaddeus Young G/F will be a pretty good swing but other than Henderson, they just don't look like they are NBA ready as NBA bigman... Durant with his height, athleticism, guard like skills, and 3PT shooting probably will come out but he's not an NBA PF right now...


Wayne Ellington G and Paul Harris G impressed but are more of an NBA combo guard (not sure Harris has an outside shot right now but man he is built like Lebron James at 6'5 and can D up) - Budinger didn't play in the Hoops Summit but being an UofA fan, I'm hoping he'll stick around a few years


Those are the best of the class (that I know of)...

Your forgetting the headliner of the class Greg Oden......

and I am in complete agreeance that Budinger is going to be a hell of a ball player. After watching the McDonalds game his combo of basketball IQ, heigth and athleticism i was fantasizing what he could possibly bring to the Cats next year. Maybe im drunk on Kool aid but im thinking close to a Carmelo Anthony type of impact. If hes as good as i think, he will be gone no later than his sophomore year....

 

[Billy Bob]

D'Antoni was on with MJ and Bickley today and said they were trying to trade up, then He said a lot of other stuff.

 

[Joe Mama]

D'Antoni was on with MJ and Bickley today and said they were trying to trade up, then He said a lot of other stuff.

missed that. Anything interesting in the "other stuff" he said?

Joe

 

[PhxGametime]

At Draftexpress, there was a rumor that the 76ers are interested in the Picks #21 and #27 for the #13 Pick but that they'd rather switch Barbosa instead of #21... I'm sure some of you have read that but what do yall think of that?


I doubt the Suns would Trade Barbosa though. Ronnie Brewer and Hilton Armstrong are now added to Suns wantlist and if the Suns wanted Brewer, I'd think they want him to be paired with Barbosa in backcourt and if they got Armstrong, then they better hope there was a PG at #21...


Armstrong would probably be the best Center next year for the Suns but I'm a little afraid that he had 1 good year (plan to watch another game today), Simmons will probably be the highest drafted of the 3 but I'm not sure with that size, that he could play Center right now and Sene is raw but could also be ideal for the Suns at #21 to leave him overseas or at least for a lot of Teams to do that... so any of the 3 could be switched up. Carney is still talked about, so he could even be in consideration at #13... Sene and Sefolosha were mentioned too but that'd be pretty high?

 

[JCSunsfan]

As much as I would hate it, I could see a Barbs trade (or JRJ). Since they really need to finalize a deal with him this summer, it might be easier to focus on Diaw, and add a rookie that won't be as difficult to fit under the cap.