Suns looking to trade KT for Gooden or Wilcox?

[F-Dog]

Here's some news, or at least a rumor, culled from a Cavs MB:

So, I assume the other 'Thomas deal' was with Phoenix for Kurt Thomas??...Have your sources told you who or what else Phoenix and Sacramento are offering Cleveland?

From what I've been told,both talks never got that serious,and the principles involved were both the players mentioned..I haven't been told anything more than generalizations,and didn't ask more,since apparently Ferry seemingly wasn't that interested.

http://mb3.scout.com/fclevelandcavaliersfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=8430.topic&start=41&stop=60

Sorry to drag the thread back to topic like this.

 

[nowagimp]

I have been wondering why everybody is so obsessed with comparisons of individual attributes of the players. Can we as a team win? That's the only thing important for me. For example, I believe that if we replace on the current roster Marion with TimThomas and JumainJones, assuming both are healthy, our team record would not suffer much for the regular season and our playoff performance would be even better. Period.

The reason is that the NBA has been pimping individuals since the MJ pimp program made them so much money in the early nineties. It(exaggeration of individual contributions) makes a lot of money in memorabilia for the league and draws in simple minded fans who can only rmember one players name. Its also true that many kids dream to be "the man". Fact is flashy moves and one-one-one play gets you a marbury, not a nash. It gets you a melo, not a Diaw, it gets you ratings, not top notch play(see intl game where team USA was burned). As fans all are somewhat effected by the advertizing brainwash of individual play as opposed to team play. It all started with Michael, who "won" games all by himself(uh... but not without scottie or Horace or ....). Erving, Bird, Magic and the bad boys of detroit were never pimped that way.

 

[_Ra]

I hope they don't get rid of Kurt Thomas this year. There is something that a veteran post bully can bring that no free agent with the attitude of a young "up and coming allstar" could. Namely, humble character, willingness to accept a role, and saavy veteran thinking.

Wilcox and Gooden seem to want the money and the limelight, not to be a role player. Maybe next year we should explore our options.

This past season, with Kurt Thomas, we were in the top 5 teams. Replace him with Tim Thomas and we are a .500 team. I suspect this is exactly what would happen with either Wilcox and/or Gooden.

 

[F-Dog]

This past season, with Kurt Thomas, we were in the top 5 teams. Replace him with Tim Thomas and we are a .500 team. I suspect this is exactly what would happen with either Wilcox and/or Gooden.

I guess Seattle and Cleveland just don't know what's good for them.

 

[George O'Brien]

I guess Seattle and Cleveland just don't know what's good for them.

Actually, they do. KT doesn't bring as much value to these teams as he does for the Suns due to differing playing styles. Objectively, KT is overpaid, which means that it is very hard to get a lot for him in a trade. This leaves you with a choice of taking expiring contracts to get out of the last year of his deal, or just biting the bullet and get what value he can offer for the Suns.

 

[Joe Mama]

Actually, they do. KT doesn't bring as much value to these teams as he does for the Suns due to differing playing styles. Objectively, KT is overpaid, which means that it is very hard to get a lot for him in a trade. This leaves you with a choice of taking expiring contracts to get out of the last year of his deal, or just biting the bullet and get what value he can offer for the Suns.

Kurt Thomas is just as valuable to Cleveland and probably Seattle as he is here. I agree with you regarding Kurt Thomas' contract though. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for one of these teams to trade for Kurt Thomas.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Kurt Thomas is just as valuable to Cleveland and probably Seattle as he is here. I agree with you regarding Kurt Thomas' contract though. I don't think it makes a lot of sense for one of these teams to trade for Kurt Thomas.

Joe Mama

I can't see any reason why the Sonics would go for an older player. They aren't even a serious playoff team, so even if he played well it wouldn't matter.

The Cavs are a serious playoff contender, but why is two years of KT worth more than one more year of Gooden?

The Suns need inside toughness, but can't really afford KT's second year, much less three more years of major luxury tax hit that either Wilcox or Gooden would mean.

 

[Joe Mama]

I can't see any reason why the Sonics would go for an older player. They aren't even a serious playoff team, so even if he played well it wouldn't matter.

The Cavs are a serious playoff contender, but why is two years of KT worth more than one more year of Gooden?

The Suns need inside toughness, but can't really afford KT's second year, much less three more years of major luxury tax hit that either Wilcox or Gooden would mean.

I agree. The Seattle sonics would not want Kurt Thomas' contract, and I doubt Cleveland would either. However that's not the reason you used in your previous post.

Actually, they do. KT doesn't bring as much value to these teams as he does for the Suns due to differing playing styles.

I would say that Kurt Thomas fits into either of those other two teams' playing styles as well or better than he does into the Phoenix Suns playing style. Those two teams like to push the ball, but no one does it like the Phoenix Suns. Even though I think Kurt Thomas can play in the Phoenix Suns offense it remains to be seen whether he can stay healthy doing it. I hope his minutes are reduced this season.

Joe

 

[George O'Brien]

If you think KT should be traded because he's not going to be healthy, then I can certainly understand a desire to move him. I haven't read anything that suggests he is expected to break down in the next two years.

But from a style standpoint, KT is fairly unusual in that he's a tough rebounder/defender who is better shooting jump shots than going to the hoop. From what I can tell, most coaches prefer their big men to hang around the basket to get offensive rebounds rather than setting up for mid range jumpers. IMHO, KT's shooting is far more important to the Suns than it would be to other teams because of the Suns style.

 

[Espo]

A sign-and-trade is a long shot. The Sonics have apparently received just one concrete deal for Chris Wilcox and they quickly rejected Phoenix's package that included aging veteran center Kurt Thomas and the $16.3 million remaining on the final two years of his contract. The Golden State Warriors also appear interested in Wilcox, but have yet to make the Sonics a sign-and-trade offer.
Benmaller.com

 

[George O'Brien]

The Warriors are an odd team. Taken individually, they would seem to have the talent to be a playoff team. But on the floor...

 

[Muggum]

Bottom line? KT was more of a BC guy than he is an MD guy.

The fact that each and every one of you perfectly understood that sentence is kind of sad!

M

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bottom line? KT was more of a BC guy than he is an MD guy.

The fact that each and every one of you perfectly understood that sentence is kind of sad!

M

Just a thought here. Isn't it possible that KT is more of an Amare guy than anything else? It was Amare that asked the Suns to trade for him.

And Amare hadn't signed his extension at the time they traded for KT.

Is it possible that the Suns got KT more to placate Amare and get him to re-up than anything else?

Now that Amare's in the fold, KT's expendable.

 

[George O'Brien]

Trading for Wilcox does not mean KT is "expendible" in the classic sense. Trading a veteran big for a younger big may or may not the best move, but it is hardly evidence that the vet is expendible. Trading a big for a small is a sign the big player is really expendible.