Suns make trade offer for Ron Artest

[Diamondback Jay]

Amare is one of the more reliable posters here, and I've also heard the rumor so it's not smoke and mirrors.

Like I said in my post, we don't know exactly WHAT was offered, or if the Pacers are even going to accept it.

 

[asudevil83]

pretty much the only thing that i can come up with right now is:

Suns Trade: $10,190,000
Thomas
JJax
Barbosa
Boston/LA Pick

Pacers Trade: $11,250,000
Artest
Foster

with Amare back though...we become amazing

Amare/Foster
Diaw/Marion
Marion/Jones
Artest/Bell
Nash/House

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I dont think any trade we make will include Thomas.

I am guessing that Bell will be the guy, along with Barbosa or Jones

 

[carey]

I don't think both Bell and Jones go if there is such a trade. I think the likelihood of Artest coming here is about .01% though so it's really a moot point.

 

[playstation]

marion plays artest's position. he's a great defender no doubt, but put him at pf and we're back to small ball, and at something around 265 lbs he can't chase around sg's.

i'm the first one to take talent even with potential consequences, but even i don't want this guy. he's not a sheed, barkley, or any other example you can come up with. he is a crazier dennis rodman (and i don't mean crazy in a good way). rodman was tamed, but only because he was on a veteran team with a singular leader of the caliber of mj himself. we have a young group that does not need to be influenced by artest.

he's a guy you go for when its short term and you feel like you might be missing something. this team can go for the long-term and in 6-8 weeks will be missing nothing.

lets not do subtraction by addition.

 

[elindholm]

If for some reason Artest comes to the Suns, he will start at SG and Marion will remain at SF.

 

[F-Dog]

I still think that Artest is a poor fit for the Suns' offense--especially playing SG with Marion at SF (the spacing would be nonexistant). He's not a great shooter, and he loves to fondle the ball.

That said, if there's any team that Artest could play for (famous last words)...the Suns have a surfeit of leadership and a high-quality, low-ego coach. At the very least they wouldn't be surrounding him with junior headcases like JO and SJax.



Almost any Suns offer would have to include Raja Bell, for salary-matching. The best-case offer for me would be Raja, JJax (expiring contract) and Atlanta's pick; I don't have any confidence in other teams' picks retaining their values after the Bulls pick fiasco.

The problem with any Suns offer is that they don't have what the Pacers profess to need--expiring deals (beyond Jackson's puny contract) and young bigs. I'm not an Artest fan, so I don't feel like dragging myself through the league's rosters searching for a 3-way deal, either.

I guess Atlanta would be interested in getting their pick(s) back, so that's one possibility.

 

[hcsilla]

Perhaps IND demands swallowing of Johnson's contract what TE makes possible.

Bell, Jackson, pick (and/or Barbosa) for Artest, Johnson

 

[az1965]

There have been some that included Jones instead of Barbosa too.

Jones came from Indiana. Can we send him back same year to the same team? Doesn't sound right but I'm not sure.

 

[az1965]

He changed his tune during this season's early weeks by saying he wasn't getting enough shots. He also said that his past haunts him in Indianapolis and the team would be better off without him.

If he was not getting enough shots there, he is not likely to get enough shots here especially when Amare comes back...

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Jones came from Indiana. Can we send him back same year to the same team? Doesn't sound right but I'm not sure.

I am pretty sure there isn't anything against it. If a player is traded, then waived - he can't rejoin his old team for 30 days. That is the only similar situation that comes to mind.

 

[sunsfn]

Maybe this is the reason they dropped Ford.
One for two?
two for three?

Indiana wants to get back Al Harrington from Atlanta, maybe there is going to be a 3 team trade of players and picks.

I do not think the suns would give up the Atlanta pick, that is lottery protected this year, but next year only top three. Could be an excellent player there.

I am not sure the suns want to trade Barbosa now either. He is the ultimate running machine for this style.
James Jones is an outside shooter that is going to get better and I do not think they will trade him either. He could be traded after Dec. 15th, 2005.

I have been thinking that maybe Kurt Thomas is not a great fit for the suns. In the fast moving game the suns play he seems to be fouling more than he normally did. With Diaw getting playing time at center and eventually Amare coming back, maybe Thomas will go somewhere and the trade could include one of the Pacers centers.?

I have not decided if I would want Artest on this team though.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Denver has been looking help (third team) in aquiring Artest. Denver was dangling Nene, and Earl Watson. But Indiana said it wanted picks and cap relief.

We have the perfect pieces to broker a deal between Indiana and Denver. JIm Jackson is an expiring contract. We could use the exception to take on an undesirable contract if the circumstances were right, and we have picks.

I could see the Suns trying to pick up Nene or Elson. We could probably do it for Jackson and a second or late first round pick.

 

[AmareFan]

On last nights Suns broadcast, Dan Majerle stated that there is no way the Suns would want him...we have all the pieces and he is not one. The chemistry of the team is too good right now.

 

[Chaplin]

On last nights Suns broadcast, Dan Majerle stated that there is no way the Suns would want him...we have all the pieces and he is not one. The chemistry of the team is too good right now.

You think so? Shawn Marion blasted the rest of the team (except Nash) for not running. Doesn't sound like great chemistry to me.

 

[JS22]

There is no way that I'd give up Bell or Jones to get the headcase Artest. Now, if for some reason the salaries worked out, I'd ONLY be willing to part with Jackson and the lesser of the ATL picks. (Of course they dont work out, so the point is moot.)

This team is 17-10 WITHOUT AMARE and Barbosa to an extent. With Amare I'd expect they'd be around 22-5. This team is getting it done with no real big man. (Yes, KT. But KT is a complimentary player at best.)

I for one think that the Suns are much better than last years team. Once Amare comes back they'll tear it up.

Just say NO to Ron "every screw loose" Artest.

 

[Chaplin]

How many people here would now consider (if it was rumored, that is) a trade for Rasheed Wallace? I know I would, but 2 years ago, I wouldn't have touched him. It's amazing what winning can do, and he isn't even the best player on that team either (he was the best player on Portland).

So while there is a calculated risk with Artest, a big calculated risk, there is still a good possibility that being in Phoenix might be good for him, which in turn would be VERY good for us. If we don't give up Amare, Shawn, Nash, even Kurt and Diaw, then I say consider it very seriously. Artest is an amazing talent--with him we'd be the top team in the league, no question--we'd have San Antonio Spur defense and Phoenix Sun offense. Chemistry would be our only issue--and as we all know, that can be overcome, especially with Steve Nash running the show.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Artest is really a sf. He doesn't really have the outside shooting skills to play the 2. Can't seem him coming to a team where he doesn't start, and I can't seek him starting over Marion.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Be careful what you wish for Suns fans....


In year one it would seem like a great trade as Ron tries to get his rep back....but down the line....

If he has a two years left on his contract and we can keep most of our pieces, it MIGHT be worth the risk to go for it all this year and next....

But we would have to be able to cut all ties if/when he acts up in a short amount of time

Im thinking the first thing Walsh would ask for is James Jones back....Pacers are kicking themselves for letting a much need shooter go....

 

[Chaplin]

Artest is really a sf. He doesn't really have the outside shooting skills to play the 2. Can't seem him coming to a team where he doesn't start, and I can't seek him starting over Marion.

He would adapt. Count on that.

 

[Chaplin]

Be careful what you wish for Suns fans....


In year one it would seem like a great trade as Ron tries to get his rep back....but down the line....

If he has a two years left on his contract and we can keep most of our pieces, it MIGHT be worth the risk to go for it all this year and next....

But we would have to be able to cut all ties if/when he acts up in a short amount of time

Im thinking the first thing Walsh would ask for is James Jones back....Pacers are kicking themselves for letting a much need shooter go....

Nobody is wishing anything, AF. We are simply responding to this "rumor".

 

[boisesuns]

I'm sure Amare would let Artest know his place if he ever got out of line.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

How many people here would now consider (if it was rumored, that is) a trade for Rasheed Wallace? I know I would, but 2 years ago, I wouldn't have touched him. It's amazing what winning can do, and he isn't even the best player on that team either (he was the best player on Portland).

So while there is a calculated risk with Artest, a big calculated risk, there is still a good possibility that being in Phoenix might be good for him, which in turn would be VERY good for us. If we don't give up Amare, Shawn, Nash, even Kurt and Diaw, then I say consider it very seriously. Artest is an amazing talent--with him we'd be the top team in the league, no question--we'd have San Antonio Spur defense and Phoenix Sun offense. Chemistry would be our only issue--and as we all know, that can be overcome, especially with Steve Nash running the show.

The Wallace point is a great point. People would have though it nuts to trade Wallace, but it ended up catupolting the team to Championship level. What people forget is Artest can do it on both ens of the court, his scoring ability would fit very well with the Suns, the guy puts up points, put the guy with Nash and the playmakers on this team and this guy could lite it up offensively. I'm very pro make a move for artest.

 

[JS22]

Be careful what you wish for Suns fans....


In year one it would seem like a great trade as Ron tries to get his rep back....but down the line....

If he has a two years left on his contract and we can keep most of our pieces, it MIGHT be worth the risk to go for it all this year and next....

But we would have to be able to cut all ties if/when he acts up in a short amount of time

Im thinking the first thing Walsh would ask for is James Jones back....Pacers are kicking themselves for letting a much need shooter go....

Never. James Jones is improving at an insane pace. The Suns would be crazy to get rid of JJ for Artest.

 

[JS22]

Never. James Jones is improving at an insane pace. The Suns would be crazy to get rid of JJ for Artest.

Quoting myself, I know. It's obvious that Artest is the superior player, but Jones fits the system better, and is not a complete nutcase. I would be sad to see JJ go. Definitely one of my favorite players on the team. He's finally getting a chance to show his skills.