Suns need to find toughness...a little nasty

[Cheesebeef]

Speaking of avoiding issues....What happened between Bibby and Artest?

so, now that you've completely avoided the Kidd issue again (for good reason since it gives even less credence to your theory and more to mine), let me just give you this, to go along with what Gadddabout said above in regards to the Bibby-Artest feud that apparently i "revealed", but was pretty much common knowledge for anyone who followed the Kings, or the NBA for that matter.

from a USA Today chat with one of their sports writers:

http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chat...ipt.aspx?c=982

"Reseda, CA: You said your rotoworld column to sell high with Jamal Tinsley, who I agree is an injury waiting to happen and buy low w/Mike Bibby, who will only get better as his wrist heals. Do you think Bibby is an upgrade from Jamal in a h2h 5 cat points league? I also read n your column you feel that a feud between Artest & Bibby will buzzkill Bibby's season... hiow? Surely Musselman won't bench Bibby just because a big whiny baby like Artest doesn't dig him...
Steve Alexander: I do...There is a big problem potentially brewing between Bibby and Ron Artest, so it's a little dangerous gambling that Bibby will eventually be "ok", but let's just hope that Ron Ron doesn't destroy the fantasy beast that was once Mike Bibby. But yeah, I'd rather have Bibby's upside over JT."

or this from NBC sports

http://www.nbcsports.com/nba/717186/detail.html

"OK, let's qualify this a little bit. Yes, Ron Artest completely severed his ties with the Indiana Pacers, forcing a trade to the Sacramento Kings. And yes, he did put out a rap album with some admittedly questionable lyrics (including a line that directly talks smack to David Stern).

And if that wasn't enough, as 2006 nears its close, Artest has been at the center of some mild turmoil once again, as he recently sat out some games with sore knees amidst trade rumors and reports of a feud with teammate Mike Bibby."

I'm sure I can find more, but I have a life and need to get back to it rather than continue to prove you wrong again.

 

[pokerface]

I'm sure I can find more, but I have a life and need to get back to it rather than continue to prove you wrong again.

Uh cheesy...all I said is I didnt hear anything about a Bibby/Artest spat and I asked for details. So what exactly are you proving me wrong about? I never disputed Artest had issues to begin with.

 

[pokerface]

There was a RUMOR that they were trying to trade for Sheed but little actual evidence.

Here we go again....I dont want to repeat this anymore. Please read page 2 OR 3....


Waiter check please!

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Shocking new development:

pokerface and cheesebeef go at it and hijack a 9 page thread!

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[pokerface]

that he's cancer and has problems with teamates everywhere he goes. or has the master debater actually forgotten what he's even debating about?

Yer confused oh mighty cheese. I said I didnt see a bunch of evidence supporting such locker room claims....not that any evidence didnt exist.


Does the "Bibby affair" all by itself prove he's a lockerroom cancer? Uhhh...the verdict is still out I think. Artest called out Bibbys defense through the media. Dirk called out Dampier after that one playoffs with the media....Is Dirk a locker room cancer too?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yer confused oh mighty cheese.

I'm not gonna get into name calling like the "mighty" condescening crap above, or the "angry" cheese or "the pounding your keyboard" crap like you do. When people do the above it's a clear signal they don't really want to have a civilized conversation about anything so...

you win. congrats.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yer confused oh mighty cheese. I said I didnt see a bunch of evidence supporting such locker room claims....not that any evidence didnt exist.

"Artest plays well...no one on here has described in ANY detail as to why he would be a lockerroom cancer."

night now.

 

[Gaddabout]

Does the "Bibby affair" all by itself prove he's a lockerroom cancer? Uhhh...the verdict is still out I think. Artest called out Bibbys defense through the media. Dirk called out Dampier after that one playoffs with the media....Is Dirk a locker room cancer too?

Dirk is/was the leader for the Mavs. Artest is not the leader for the Kings, Bibby is. Dirk spoke out of team interest. Artest spoke because he doesn't care what his teammates think of him.

 

[pokerface]

I'm not gonna get into name calling like the "mighty" condescening crap above, or the "angry" cheese or "the pounding your keyboard" crap like you do. When people do the above it's a clear signal they don't really want to have a civilized conversation about anything so...

you win. congrats.

Just one last question cheese....When you called me "masterdebater" was that being condesending or meant as a compliment?












































eh?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dirk is/was the leader for the Mavs. Artest is not the leader for the Kings, Bibby is. Dirk spoke out of team interest. Artest spoke because he doesn't care what his teammates think of him.

just leave it alone gad. it really ain't worth it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just one last question cheese....When you called me "masterdebater" was that being condesending or meant as a compliment?

uh, you're the one who referred to yourself as such, but it was pretty much meant to be condescending, so ultimately, I was in the wrong there. I shouldn't have been doing that as it clouds the point I was trying to make that Artest is a complete and utter cancer everywhere he goes.

 

[pokerface]

"Artest plays well...no one on here has described in ANY detail as to why he would be a lockerroom cancer."

night now.

You provided details AFTER that comment...not before.


Sleep well....think on it.

 

[pokerface]

uh, you're the one who referred to yourself as such, but it was pretty much meant to be condescending, so ultimately, I was in the wrong there. I shouldn't have been doing that as it clouds the point I was trying to make that Artest is a complete and utter cancer everywhere he goes.

You were following Joe Mamas lead....


Do I have to read this entire thread back to you page by page??

Well sorry for upsetting you....I was kidding around.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Now will you guys admit your little tifts have hijacked this thread. Your back and forth bickerings leave everyone else out of it because you keep redirecting it to these petty pseudo-flames.

Get over yourselves.

 

[pokerface]

Now will you guys admit your little tifts have hijacked this thread. Your back and forth bickerings leave everyone else out of it because you keep redirecting it to these petty pseudo-flames.

Get over yourselves.

Yes sir


I still wouldnt mind Artest!

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

ME neither!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Now will you guys admit your little tifts have hijacked this thread. Your back and forth bickerings leave everyone else out of it because you keep redirecting it to these petty pseudo-flames.

Get over yourselves.

and what purpose does this post serve? to hijack the thread AGAIN after we've already apologized to each other? seriously, you want to see hijacked, look at pages 4-6, not me giving examples of why I think Artest is a cancer.

 

[azirish]

IMHO the most logical destination for Artest is to the Heat. After losing Kapono (and probably Posey), they are in the market for a forward and if anybody can control him it's Pat Riley.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Once they lose posey I wouldnt be surprised to hear the heat-artest rumors to skyrocket. But they are pretty similar characters and not sure how well they would perform on the same team.

 

[pokerface]

Alright get back to me when you get that Artest rumor.

Ok I'm back wit ya.....Its a year later but the rumor has finally arrived!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ok I'm back wit ya.....Its a year later but the rumor has finally arrived!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

There is absolutely no way Artest is ever in a Phoenix uniform. All he does is fail everywhere he goes. His presence is the precursor to destruction of a team.

This hasn't changed in the slightest. Artest equals lottery nearly every time. He is fool's gold which is why you can't give him away in a trade.

Edit: Of course by my estimation this team needs to be destroyed now so we may as well go "All In".

 

[Nasser22]

When Artest first goes on a team, they do well. It's the second season that he's there when he destroys the team. It does not matter for the Suns since after this season they will be a lottery team anyway for a few years. This is their last chance and they need to take chances if they want to win anything. Artest would be a good fit right now.

 

[msdundee]

Edit: Of course by my estimation this team needs to be destroyed now so we may as well go "All In".

Exactly--much like the last hand you can play in a big poker game. I hope you won't find this depressing but we do consistently think alike and not usually with popular opinions. Too bad I'm 105 with a jealous boyfriend. If there's any way to get Artest in here, it just might be worth whatever the perceived risk. He'd bring what the Suns need, as already discussed, and if the worst happens and his head explodes, it could sure liven up the season and make it interesting again.

Taking a chance on a player like Artest isn't really taking much of a chance considering where the team is right now. As it is, despite the big trade last season nobody's much worried about the Suns being a threat. The title of this thread still says it all, even though it was started a while back.

 

[carey]

It does not matter for the Suns since after this season they will be a lottery team anyway for a few years.

Have the Suns ever been in the lottery with their own pick in consecutive years? I can't recall a Suns team that missed the playoffs consecutive years.