Suns Nets Game Thread: Where only (-) happens....

[Chaplin]

That indeed might be the reality of it. However, I would take a late first rounder and a possible young player for Nash. It is not ideal but your not going to get a star in return for Nash even if he is not traded to a contender. Your probably going to get someone with a bloated contract or mid level player that wouldn't change the outcome of your team anyway.

I don't see how letting Steve finish out his contract is good business either. This team is struggling with him. You won't get any free agents wanting to come here, it won't improve your draft position and won't do anything for ticket sales. None of that says good business either.

If it's a late first pick, then there MUST be a young player included, not a "possible" young player--and it must be a young player with potential. Unfortunately, the teams people here want to trade with don't have those kind of assets. Of course, you go there and the salaries won't match, so we'd have to take back a bad contract. If it's expiring, then fine, no problem, but if it's a multi-year deal, it'll hurt more than help us.

 

[desertdawg]

Just shop him around, see what's really up. We don't have to take an offer we don't like, but then again, who knows what this teams higher ups would like. We are a headless team, if you want to argue this team has a head, then you'll have to pull it out of their asses to show me as proof.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The point of a Nash trade is to receive something, anything that can help with the future--

And if we can't get anything that fits that description, we should trade him anyway. If he's not worth anything, and nobody is willing to give up anything of note for him, it makes no sense to keep him around anyway. I don't think holding him hostage for a late 1st rounder or a scrub is worth it. After all he's done for the team and the franchise, it's the least we can do, and pragmatic because we'll have a greater chance of getting a top 5 pick.

 

[Chaplin]

And if we can't get anything that fits that description, we should trade him anyway. If he's not worth anything, and nobody is willing to give up anything of note for him, it makes no sense to keep him around anyway. I don't think holding him hostage for a late 1st rounder or a scrub is worth it. After all he's done for the team and the franchise, it's the least we can do, and pragmatic because we'll have a greater chance of getting a top 5 pick.

They will not do that. They just won't. You want to be Memphis on the end of a Laker trade? Because that's what it is. Granted, it sort of worked out for Memphis eventually, but at the time it certainly wasn't a good move.

He's worth the millions he would lose Sarver if he were gone. Again, not saying it's good, just saying that's the reality.

 

[Chaplin]

Just shop him around, see what's really up. We don't have to take an offer we don't like, but then again, who knows what this teams higher ups would like. We are a headless team, if you want to argue this team has a head, then you'll have to pull it out of their asses to show me as proof.

Shopping him is definitely something they should be doing. There's been no indication that they are doing that, but it's what they should be doing regardless.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If it's a late first pick, then there MUST be a young player included, not a "possible" young player--and it must be a young player with potential.

why in the world is anyone going to give up two prospects for Nash?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They will not do that. They just won't. You want to be Memphis on the end of a Laker trade? Because that's what it is. Granted, it sort of worked out for Memphis eventually, but at the time it certainly wasn't a good move.

He's worth the millions he would lose Sarver if he were gone. Again, not saying it's good, just saying that's the reality.

Oh, I'm not arguing whether or not they will, I'm arguing what they should do. I agree that they won't trade him, but think the reasoning behind it is stupid.

And the Memphis analogy is a poor one...that was the fishiest deal in NBA history, and changed a Laker team that was a 4-5 seed into a multi-time champ, and changed Kobe from a selfish talent to a top 10 NBA player. I get sick every time I think about it. No way Nash has nearly the impact on a team as Gasol.

We'll hold onto Nash, the rest of the league will be aghast (the criticism is already starting), and we'll still be a lottery team as fans, players and announcers beg the Suns to "free Nash". It's death by a thousand cuts. To think we were two games away from the Finals about 6 months ago. I'm glad so many here were so comfortable with letting Amare go, like players of his caliber are readily available. What a f'n disaster.

 

[Chaplin]

Oh, I'm not arguing whether or not they will, I'm arguing what they should do. I agree that they won't trade him, but think the reasoning behind it is stupid.

And the Memphis analogy is a poor one...that was the fishiest deal in NBA history, and changed a Laker team that was a 4-5 seed into a multi-time champ, and changed Kobe from a selfish talent to a top 10 NBA player. I get sick every time I think about it. No way Nash has nearly the impact on a team as Gasol.

To me, the absolute best team they should be talking to is Oklahoma City. They have the right mix of assets to offer without gutting their team and giving us something to use as building blocks--not a superstar, and maybe not even a star, but certainly someone we can use.

 

[Chaplin]

why in the world is anyone going to give up two prospects for Nash?

Exactly. And that is why he won't be traded.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh, I'm not arguing whether or not they will, I'm arguing what they should do. I agree that they won't trade him, but think the reasoning behind it is stupid.

And the Memphis analogy is a poor one...that was the fishiest deal in NBA history, and changed a Laker team that was a 4-5 seed into a multi-time champ, and changed Kobe from a selfish talent to a top 10 NBA player. I get sick every time I think about it. No way Nash has nearly the impact on a team as Gasol.

We'll hold onto Nash, the rest of the league will be aghast (the criticism is already starting), and we'll still be a lottery team as fans, players and announcers beg the Suns to "free Nash". It's death by a thousand cuts. To think we were two games away from the Finals about 6 months ago. I'm glad so many here were so comfortable with letting Amare go, like players of his caliber are readily available. What a f'n disaster.

agree with everything.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Exactly. And that is why he won't be traded.

which is why I think our FO is a bunch of morons concerned not with winning, but with money. like ASUCHRIS pointed out, I'm arguing what we SHOULD be doing, not what this ******* FO WILL do.

 

[slinslin]

I think some contenders would give up multiple picks for Nash.

The Lakers could really use Nash but it would be hard to see the Suns trading Nash to the arch enemy.

 

[BC867]

The Lakers could really use Nash but it would be hard to see the Suns trading Nash to the arch enemy.

Responding to this point, the 2-time defending NBA champs vs. a team that can now barely defeat the league's weakest teams at home (and that is not a given) hardly puts us into the category of the Lakers arch enemy.

We are fighting for survival and Step 1 should be the focus of our team plan, rather than worrying about the Lakers.

 

[Covert Rain]

If it's a late first pick, then there MUST be a young player included, not a "possible" young player--and it must be a young player with potential. Unfortunately, the teams people here want to trade with don't have those kind of assets. Of course, you go there and the salaries won't match, so we'd have to take back a bad contract. If it's expiring, then fine, no problem, but if it's a multi-year deal, it'll hurt more than help us.

I say possible because I could see the Suns taking on a journeyman type player that they will cut to free up salary versus taking on a project. They would probably do that to make the dollars match.

You trade him for nothing and then we'll have no trade assets at all and nothing good to move forward with. Let alone the money lost because he's no longer on the team, that now has no leader and no direction.

The point of a Nash trade is to receive something, anything that can help with the future--because like I said, once he's gone, we'll have nothing left to leverage. Perhaps Dudley, but right now he is quite possibly the only guy we should not trade under any circumstances.

I don't think anybody is condoning trading him for nothing. But if you can't get anything of value for him....then be definition he is no longer a trade asset anyway. Holding on to him still doesn't do anything for the Suns or the end of his own career IMO.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't think anybody is condoning trading him for nothing. But if you can't get anything of value for him....then be definition he is no longer a trade asset anyway. Holding on to him still doesn't do anything for the Suns or the end of his own career IMO.

Disagree. I think everybody is talking about trading him for nothing--or at least trading him with no real thought about the Suns team as far as replacements. Of course, on some level it's hard to blame people for that since we did such a stellar job replacing Amare.

 

[Covert Rain]

Disagree. I think everybody is talking about trading him for nothing--or at least trading him with no real thought about the Suns team as far as replacements. Of course, on some level it's hard to blame people for that since we did such a stellar job replacing Amare.

Replacing a player and getting equal value for a player in a trade are two different things. The Suns learned the hard way the past couple seasons teams were not going to give fair trade value for Amare. They would find out the same thing with Nash.

So, going into it, my expectations are to get something versus nothing at all. I think the Suns could possibly get more (meaning multiple draft picks) if they involved a 3rd team. My guess is the Suns would probably try to do that to get more out of any deal. Then go out and work on other scenarios that could possibly field you a replacement at that position.