Suns Offer Lucas Contract & Interested in Gooden

[NastyOne]

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/gamepass/23822

The Suns have reportedly tendered a two year guaranteed contract to John Lucas. Lucas who had a great summer league in Las Vegas playing for the Huston Rockets entry would fit into the Suns style perfectly, and would be a great back up for Steve Nash.

Lucas averaged 23.4 points per game, and 8 assists in Las vegas, and is considering the Suns proposal against one tendered by the Rockets.

Also there has been som interest in Clevland's Drew Gooden The Clevland Plain Dealer Reports:

"Rumblings of a sign-and-trade have begun - Phoenix, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia are interested in Gooden, according to several league sources."

The Suns are thought to be offering their trade exception, and draft picks in the Gooden sign and trade.

The former Kansas forward is very close to being a double double player (Which I am sure Nash would be glad to help with) A solid rebounder, and defender with a good inside game who can run the floor.

A great shot blocker, and trasition defender he might be a better fit than Thomas on the high octane Suns.

The Suns are active in the off season, and will soon have some exciting anouncments.

 

[Nasser22]

Wait, only their exception and picks? If so....wow. or also my 2nd favorite player Kurt?

 

[Goldfield]

Hard to believe they are trying to add Gooden, it would be hard to call them cheap if they did.

"A great shot blocker, and trasition defender" - Is this true about Gooden?

 

[Cheesebeef]

those would both be solid moves IMO, if we don't have to give up KT or the Atlanta pick. Let's see if we swing and miss again with Lucas.

 

[NastyOne]

Hard to believe they are trying to add Gooden, it would be hard to call them cheap if they did.

I would :notworthy Sarver if he okayed these moves, and take back every cheap comment i made about him.(Well atleast for a little awhile )

 

[Chaplin]

We have to give up a significant contract to get Gooden.

An interesting trade piece that we have is that Cleveland pick for next year. I'm thinking the value of that, even if it is a near-#20 pick, is relatively high because of the draft quality.

 

[NastyOne]

"The Suns are thought to be offering their trade exception, and draft picks in the Gooden sign and trade. "

I think that is a little off

It should probably say we're offering our MLE right?

I don't see how this will work without sending them a contract like Thomas or Jones.

 

[Goldfield]

Yea seems like KT's contract would be needed to make the trade. Who knows. I doubt we get him JMO

 

[sunsfn]

"The Suns are thought to be offering their trade exception, and draft picks in the Gooden sign and trade. "

I think that is a little off

It should probably say we're offering our MLE right?

I don't see how this will work without sending them a contract like Thomas or Jones.

I understand what you are saying because of the amount.

The MLE is used to sign free agents, not to trade.

The sign and trade contract would have to start at 3.7 mil (about) if we use the TE, but I thought Gooden wanted more than the MLE.

Cleveland would probably like the TE and some picks.

John Lucas is not very big and I was hoping they could get a big guard for defense.

 

[NastyOne]

I understand what you are saying because of the amount.

The MLE is used to sign free agents, not to trade.

The sign and trade contract would have to start at 3.7 mil (about) if we use the TE, but I thought Gooden wanted more than the MLE.

Cleveland would probably like the TE and some picks.

John Lucas is not very big and I was hoping they could get a big guard for defense.

But isnt Gooden a RFA? the MLE can't be offered to him?

And agreed on Lucas about his size and defense, but still the guy looks explosive in the summer league and should fit in with our style of play if he signs with us.

 

[sunsfn]

But isnt Gooden a RFA? the MLE can't be offered to him?

And agreed on Lucas about his size and defense, but still the guy looks explosive in the summer league and should fit in with our style of play if he signs with us.

He is a RFA, and yes we can offer Gooden the MLE but Cleveland can match.

Gooden wants a lot more than that I thought. Cleveland would have to sign and trade him to get anything back. I think if Gooden signs an offer sheet with someone, Cleveland will match just to keep the asset, and then try to trade him.

It will be very hard for us to get Gooden if he will not start at the MLE price, unless we decide trade a player or two.

 

[phxrising]

those would both be solid moves IMO, if we don't have to give up KT or the Atlanta pick. Let's see if we swing and miss again with Lucas.

At least were still swinging; and aiming better I might add.

 

[sunsfn]

At least were still swinging; and aiming better I might add.

As far as Gooden yes, for the right amount of contract.

But Lucas is not the player Salmons is or will be.

 

[playstation]

i don't want gooden. contract-wise, it is impossible to do anything next year but get rid of marion.

this lucas character is highly intriguing. what people have written about him is pretty high praise, but at the end of the day its a strong performance in summer league (a la skita & bo outlaw). would you trust him to give nash a 15 minute breather in the conf. finals???

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I always liked Jon Lucas, a bit small but a very smart player with a good shot.

 

[JS22]

i don't want gooden. contract-wise, it is impossible to do anything next year but get rid of marion.

this lucas character is highly intriguing. what people have written about him is pretty high praise, but at the end of the day its a strong performance in summer league (a la skita & bo outlaw). would you trust him to give nash a 15 minute breather in the conf. finals???

I've always been under the impression that Marion is as good as gone regardless of what happens this, or next year.

 

[phxrising]

I've always been under the impression that Marion is as good as gone regardless of what happens this, or next year.

Other then winning it all, chances are your right. He could stay to defend title maybe if were good enough to win this year. Raising a banner would really help profits I'm sure.

 

[hsandhu]

Let me call bs here. No way they can get gooden for the trade exception money. It's almost certainly gonna take moving kurt to do it.

 

[Evil Ash]

The sign and trade contract would have to start at 3.7 mil (about) if we use the TE, but I thought Gooden wanted more than the MLE.

For a long term contract - yes but what the Suns could do is offer him a one year deal and allow him to become a FA.

The good thing if we were to do such a trade is that if we wanted to re-sign him after the season completed, we would have his Bird rights. So we could either keep him or get something in a sign-and-trade.

The bad news of course is that we could lose him for nothing.

Its a very risky proposition that could work out well for us in the end.

John Lucas is not very big and I was hoping they could get a big guard for defense.

Ideally we wanted a 2 guard or swingman that can handle the ball. The problem is that there aren't any available.

Josh Lucas isn't a bad consolation prize though

 

[Nash]

Gooden? that would mean a pretty huge contract. from what I recall from an article I read yesterday Drew is apparently asking for a $60 mil deal like Nene's. Wonder if he's worth that much.. In addition is he a good defender?
I've watched him just a few times and that was during the EC playoffs against the Wizs this year. I didn't quite notice what his strengths were..

I don't know squat about Lucas but someone one this board had mentioned he'd been quite a ball hog in the SL. Hope he was just trying too hard to make an impression. I'm surprised they're not going after Diener. He'd be a much better addition to our team.


Its about time one of these dumb players realized they were getting a chance just not to play with a championship level team but also to be around Nash who is going to help them bump up their stats. Its gonna help them in the long run by increasing their trade value.
As for the PGs, if they aren't smart enough to realize they are going to back up and learn from a 2 time MVP point guard, it only means they just aren't smart enough to be on the Suns anyway.
<step off the soap box>

 

[F-Dog]

For a long term contract - yes but what the Suns could do is offer him a one year deal and allow him to become a FA.

The good thing if we were to do such a trade is that if we wanted to re-sign him after the season completed, we would have his Bird rights. So we could either keep him or get something in a sign-and-trade.

The bad news of course is that we could lose him for nothing.

Its a very risky proposition that could work out well for us in the end.

On the contrary, that's far less risky than signing him to a long-term deal. I might even get on the Average-en bandwagon if it's only for one year--he's more likely than KT to be healthy and available when next year's playoffs roll around, and after that, the Suns would be in a much better position tax-wise.

Needless to say, there's zero chance of that happening. No agent with an ounce of brains would allow that guy to sign a one-year deal--the market for giving away crazy money is right now.




Rockets fans don't know anything about Lucas' decision--in fact, they're out searching for info right here on this thread. The consensus on Clutchfans is that Lucas would be stupid to stay in Houston.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=115450&page=1&pp=20

For myself, I'm a little ambivalent: it seems if the Suns get Lucas, the other dominoes will start to fall, and I really don't like the way they're (seemingly) positioned at the moment.

For the signing itself, though, it's hard to go wrong at the minimum, and I have no problem waving sayonara to Eddie House.

 

[Nasser22]

If Gooden's defense is better than I think it is(I think he's above average) then I wouldn't mind trading KT for him. I don't know who on our team will play center then though since I'm not comfortable with any of them being there. I guess Amare and Gooden can work together.

About Lucas, that would be a good signing. It kind of would suck not getting a taller guard like they wanted, but Lucas can run the offense better than House and maybe his defense could be a little better....they shouldn't lose any offense either replacing House since Lucas was so good on offense in the summer league.

 

[F-Dog]

If Gooden's defense is better than I think it is(I think he's above average) then I wouldn't mind trading KT for him.

IIRC, the term being thrown about on RealGM is 'gaping vagina'. Cavs fans were getting a big kick out of that one.

 

[Nasser22]

Iirc ?

 

[arthurracoon]

Iirc ?

IIRC, i believe it means, "if i remember correctly"