Suns pre-draft workouts

[overseascardfan]

What do you all think about DiVincenzo at #16? I think he could play PG in NBA. He didn't have to at VILL because they had Brunson but DiVincenzo can create his own shot, handle the ball, play on or off the ball and at 6'6 he would make a tall back court with Booker. He is also a scrappy defender with a 42 inch vertical. There are questions on whether he can keep up with quicker guards but he came in 5th at Combine lane agility drill which tests quickness and change of direction ability.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He didn't have to at VILL because they had Brunson but DiVincenzo can create his own shot, handle the ball, play on or off the ball and at 6'6 he would make a tall back court with Booker. He is also a scrappy defender with a 42 inch vertical. There are questions on whether he can keep up with quicker guards but he came in 5th at Combine lane agility drill which tests quickness and change of direction ability.

I think that's inflated by 2.5 inches. I know they occasionally make mistakes but I'm pretty sure he measured 6'3.5 (according to the combine report I saw).

 

[overseascardfan]

I think that's inflated by 2.5 inches. I know they occasionally make mistakes but I'm pretty sure he measured 6'3.5 (according to the combine report I saw).

Per NBA.com Draft Combine measurements:

Donte DiVincenzo SG 5.00% (body fat %) 6' 4.5"(w/o shoes) 200.6 (weight) 6' 6" (w/shoes) 42.0 (vert)

Gotta go by shoe measurement, they don't play barefooted in NBA.

 

[GatorAZ]

Per NBA.com Draft Combine measurements:

Donte DiVincenzo SG 5.00% (body fat %) 6' 4.5"(w/o shoes) 200.6 (weight) 6' 6" (w/shoes) 42.0 (vert)

Gotta go by shoe measurement, they don't play barefooted in NBA.

To accurately compare prospects they need to be barefoot.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Per NBA.com Draft Combine measurements:

Donte DiVincenzo SG 5.00% (body fat %) 6' 4.5"(w/o shoes) 200.6 (weight) 6' 6" (w/shoes) 42.0 (vert)

Gotta go by shoe measurement, they don't play barefooted in NBA.

I've heard and disputed that reasoning for years. Yes, it's true, they don't play barefooted but a system that allows them to pretend to be inches taller than they really are is fundamentally flawed. And that's why they ALSO measure barefoot these days. NBADraft.net (and NBA.com/stats) shows Donte as 6'4.5 in shoes, 6'3.5 barefoot.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I've heard and disputed that reasoning for years. Yes, it's true, they don't play barefooted but a system that allows them to pretend to be inches taller than they really are is fundamentally flawed. And that's why they ALSO measure barefoot these days. NBADraft.net (and NBA.com/stats) shows Donte as 6'4.5 in shoes, 6'3.5 barefoot.

The system is stupid, sure, but it's the system. No reason to take height from some players and not others. Unless we're talking KG or Durant, everyone in the league is listed an inch or two taller than their barefoot height. Alan Williams, for instance, measured at 6'7 at the combine.

I'm seeing the same 6'4.5 in shoes, 6'3.5 barefoot on Donte. He's not particularly long, either. He did, however, finish first in the entire field in both vertical leap tests.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/18/donte-divincenzo-combine-2018-nba-draft/

 

[overseascardfan]

To accurately compare prospects they need to be barefoot.

To accurately compare prospects? If they are all measured in shoes then how is it not accurate? Are some guys wearing platforms?

I've heard and disputed that reasoning for years. Yes, it's true, they don't play barefooted but a system that allows them to pretend to be inches taller than they really are is fundamentally flawed. And that's why they ALSO measure barefoot these days. NBADraft.net (and NBA.com/stats) shows Donte as 6'4.5 in shoes, 6'3.5 barefoot.

You're right, I mistook wingspan for height w/shoes. But still 6'4.5 in shoes would still make him a good sized PG especially at 200 pounds in NBA standards.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The system is stupid, sure, but it's the system. No reason to take height from some players and not others. Unless we're talking KG or Durant, everyone in the league is listed an inch or two taller than their barefoot height. Alan Williams, for instance, measured at 6'7 at the combine.

I'm seeing the same 6'4.5 in shoes, 6'3.5 barefoot on Donte. He's not particularly long, either. He did, however, finish first in the entire field in both vertical leap tests.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/18/donte-divincenzo-combine-2018-nba-draft/

Yeah but not all players get the same level of height inflation. I'd be fine with "in shoe" measurements if the shoes were standardized - if they were actually measured in the shoes they'd typically play in. But, through the years, some players have inflated their height by 3 inches or more while others have only padded it by a half inch.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You're right, I mistook wingspan for height w/shoes. But still 6'4.5 in shoes would still make him a good sized PG especially at 200 pounds in NBA standards.

Yeah, I have no problem with his size if he can truly play the point.

 

[GatorAZ]

To accurately compare prospects? If they are all measured in shoes then how is it not accurate? Are some guys wearing platforms?

B/c you want their true height.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah but not all players get the same level of height inflation. I'd be fine with "in shoe" measurements if the shoes were standardized - if they were actually measured in the shoes they'd typically play in. But, through the years, some players have inflated their height by 3 inches or more while others have only padded it by a half inch.

Really? Who did three inches?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

B/c you want their true height.

Cool story. Every player in the NBA (except maybe Durant) is going by their height in shoes and not barefoot. All that matters is that they are all going by the same measurement and they are because they all go by the height in shoes.

 

[overseascardfan]

B/c you want their true height.

Agree to disagree. True height + 1 inch or 2 depending on shoe they are wearing in what their "playing height" is.

 

[GatorAZ]

Cool story. Every player in the NBA (except maybe Durant) is going by their height in shoes and not barefoot. All that matters is that they are all going by the same measurement and they are because they all go by the height in shoes.

I’m looking at the combine measurements from this year and guys with the same measurements *w/o shoes have different measurements *in shoes. It’s not by much obviously but why wouldn’t you want their natural height.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Really? Who did three inches?

I think we'd have to go back a few decades to find 3 inch variance but even since they started measuring everyone at the combine there have been 1.5 to 2.25 inch differences between shoes and no shoes.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Cool story. Every player in the NBA (except maybe Durant) is going by their height in shoes and not barefoot. All that matters is that they are all going by the same measurement and they are because they all go by the height in shoes.

Everyone gets measured now but the player heights that get used are typically the ones on the player card. I guess each team/player sort of prints up their own numbers. Granted, most players and even most people, are going to list themselves by their height in shoes. And it wouldn't be a problem if players were prevented from showing up in high heels.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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I'm excited about this workout! Zhaire Smith has been a target of mine for awhile now, and Okogie is the perfect foil and an intriguing prospect in his own right. He's also one of the most explosive athletes in the draft, so this should be a good way to gauge just how special Smith could be...or maybe find a sleeper in Okogie at 31.

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[Dan H]

Yeah but not all players get the same level of height inflation. I'd be fine with "in shoe" measurements if the shoes were standardized - if they were actually measured in the shoes they'd typically play in. But, through the years, some players have inflated their height by 3 inches or more while others have only padded it by a half inch.

Yup. Barkley was probably a hair over 6-4. He filmed the "parents should be role models" commercial at North High's old gym when I went there and he wasn't much taller than I was at that age, and I'm 6-4 now.

Don't think Jordan was 6-6, either.

 

[Mainstreet]

Bordow on where these players may go in the draft.

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Suns workout today. Smith is a potential pick at No. 16 for Suns. Okogie is rated low first-round, maybe slide to No. 31 pick.

10:38 AM - 16 Jun 2018

 

[AzStevenCal]

Bordow on where these players may go in the draft.

scott bordow‏Verified account@sbordow


Suns workout today. Smith is a potential pick at No. 16 for Suns. Okogie is rated low first-round, maybe slide to No. 31 pick.

10:38 AM - 16 Jun 2018

Unfortunately, I suspect Zhaire will be gone by the time we pick (at 16).

 

[Mainstreet]

@ColdPickleNachos

Do you think Okogie might be similar to Archie Goodwin since his shooting is not so good?

 

[Mainstreet]

Unfortunately, I suspect Zhaire will be gone by the time we pick (at 16).

Could be but someone should be there that is worthwhile. It's so hard to predict.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Do you think Okogie might be similar to Archie Goodwin since his shooting is not so good?

I can't say anything about Okogie but I certainly get the Goodwin vibe from Lonnie Walker who is frequently mocked to us at 16. But not every "Archie Goodwin" fails to develop like Archie did so Okogie or Walker might still be viable prospects.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Could be but someone should be there that is worthwhile. It's so hard to predict.

It sure is. But I wasn't really predicting he'd be gone so much as regretting that he would be. I really like him, Huerter or Donte at 16 (in that order). But the latter two especially, need to be closely scrutinized beyond simple basketball skills.

 

[Mainstreet]

I can't say anything about Okogie but I certainly get the Goodwin vibe from Lonnie Walker who is frequently mocked to us at 16. But not every "Archie Goodwin" fails to develop like Archie did so Okogie or Walker might still be viable prospects.

This may be where the Suns shouldn't get cute in the draft and draft a more proven player. I do like Knox if he is there. Walker has a lot of weaknesses.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/lonnie-walker

Selection #31 is a more gamble position but then I got all frustrated with the selection of Reed early in the 2nd round.

I guess it depends upon which player is there at each spot. I do like PG possibilities at #31.