Suns pre-draft workouts

[Krangodnzr]

Ding ding ding. I agree with this.

Even if Bamba and Doncic became mutumbo and Toni kukoc I’m not sure I’d still take that duo over Ayton.

At the top of the draft you either gamble on big upside or you take the sure thing. Outside of a Oden type injuries, I would bet $1000 Ayton is going to be around the All Star to All NBA level at some point.....I wouldn't bet $100 on Doncic and I probably wouldn't bet $50 on Bamba....

 

[overseascardfan]

At the top of the draft you either gamble on big upside or you take the sure thing. Outside of a Oden type injuries, I would bet $1000 Ayton is going to be around the All Star to All NBA level at some point.....I wouldn't bet $100 on Doncic and I probably wouldn't bet $50 on Bamba....

The Doncic & Bamba bets seem logical when you realize for as good a player Booker is, he’s never made an All Star team.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Doncic & Bamba bets seem logical when you realize for as good a player Booker is, he’s never made an All Star team.

He's been in the league 3 years, and only 1 of those years the team was undoubtedly his. He had Bledsoe here the year before and his rookie year was so-so. With how bad the Suns have been, it's not surprising he hasn't been an All-Star yet. Last year was the first he was considered for it, give it another year or two and then it would make sense to bring up Booker not making an All-Star team yet.

Dragic has been in the league for 10 years now and he made his first All-Star appearance last year, as an alternate. Will Doncic be that much better than Dragic? I don't think so. Using Dragic as a comparable player though, do you think he'll make an All-Star team quicker than Dragic?

 

[Krangodnzr]

The Doncic & Bamba bets seem logical when you realize for as good a player Booker is, he’s never made an All Star team.

I think you are missing my point entirely. My point isn't that they could be talented players who don't make all star teams.....my point is that I could see BOTH of them becoming ONLY role players. I LOVE DONCIC from what I've seen, but he's isn't the quickest of guards, nor the most athletic, nor has he EVER been the lead point guard on the teams he plays on. Bamba has a very limited offensive game and is pretty much a higher rated Bismack Biyombo. I could see him turning into a rebounder/shot blocker who's only offensive game is put backs and spoon fed dunks. And a scenario where the Suns trade back and somehow get both is a bit tricky since few teams want to trade down in this draft.....And I highly doubt that both combined will be as valuable as a potential generational center, which is Ayton's ceiling.

 

[Mainstreet]

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I bet Arizona fans are eager to unite Ayton and Ristic again.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He's been in the league 3 years, and only 1 of those years the team was undoubtedly his. He had Bledsoe here the year before and his rookie year was so-so. With how bad the Suns have been, it's not surprising he hasn't been an All-Star yet. Last year was the first he was considered for it, give it another year or two and then it would make sense to bring up Booker not making an All-Star team yet.

Dragic has been in the league for 10 years now and he made his first All-Star appearance last year, as an alternate. Will Doncic be that much better than Dragic? I don't think so. Using Dragic as a comparable player though, do you think he'll make an All-Star team quicker than Dragic?

You might not think so, but virtually 90% of the rest of the basketball world does. Otherwise he wouldn’t be a lock for top 5 in this extremely talented draft. If NBA GMs has a young dragic in this draft and they could draft knowing what he has become, dragic still wouldn’t likely be taken in the first 7 picks.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You might not think so, but virtually 90% of the rest of the basketball world does. Otherwise he wouldn’t be a lock for top 5 in this extremely talented draft. If NBA GMs has a young dragic in this draft and they could draft knowing what he has become, dragic still wouldn’t likely be taken in the first 7 picks.

Ouchie is dead on here. Those that believe Doncic is the best player in this draft is because they think he is going to be something we haven't seen yet in the NBA.

I think it is certainly possible based on the tape I have seen.

Ayton is the same to me but more likely to reach that complete game changing status.

That is why I have them both in their own tier.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ouchie is dead on here. Those that believe Doncic is the best player in this draft is because they think he is going to be something we haven't seen yet in the NBA.

I think it is certainly possible based on the tape I have seen.

Ayton is the same to me but more likely to reach that complete game changing status.

That is why I have them both in their own tier.

Agree. If Doncic reaches his highest potential I’m not sure we have an accurate comp. some keep saying manu and understandably say that’s not great (which I agree with) but if he’s better than manu, I’m unsure who the right comp would be. Maybe the guy Toni kukoc was rumored to be before coming over and getting snuffed by a jealous pippen? I think sanders is right that if Doncic succeeds he’ll be something we haven’t seen before. I’m not saying that IS going to happen, or that it’s even likely, but if it does I don’t think we will say “he’s the next _______” because he might be the first Doncic.

All that said, I am still Ayton 1,2, and 3.

 

[Superbone]

Agree. If Doncic reaches his highest potential I’m not sure we have an accurate comp. some keep saying manu and understandably say that’s not great (which I agree with) but if he’s better than manu, I’m unsure who the right comp would be. Maybe the guy Toni kukoc was rumored to be before coming over and getting snuffed by a jealous pippen? I think sanders is right that if Doncic succeeds he’ll be something we haven’t seen before. I’m not saying that IS going to happen, or that it’s even likely, but if it does I don’t think we will say “he’s the next _______” because he might be the first Doncic.

All that said, I am still Ayton 1,2, and 3.

Hmm. That wouldn't be too smart. Just to make Ayton feel good about himself? I'd go 1. Ayton, 2. Doncic, 3. Bamba or JJJ.

 

[Mainstreet]

Tryggvi Hlinason gets my attention.

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[Cheesebeef]

Agree. If Doncic reaches his highest potential I’m not sure we have an accurate comp. some keep saying manu and understandably say that’s not great (which I agree with) but if he’s better than manu, I’m unsure who the right comp would be. Maybe the guy Toni kukoc was rumored to be before coming over and getting snuffed by a jealous pippen? I think sanders is right that if Doncic succeeds he’ll be something we haven’t seen before. I’m not saying that IS going to happen, or that it’s even likely, but if it does I don’t think we will say “he’s the next _______” because he might be the first Doncic.

All that said, I am still Ayton 1,2, and 3.

I'm still skeptical on Kukoc because he doesn't have Kukoc's size (6'10) and I think he's slightly less athletic... both factors which made Kukoc really special.

I like the comp of a better passing Pierce/Joe Johnson... which would be a pretty damn good player.

 

[Mainstreet]

More on Tryggvi Hlinason. This young man is so humble. He only started to play basketball when he was 16 to stay in shape. He moves very well.

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/sp...tryggvi-hlinason-gets-workout-suns/696183002/

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm still skeptical on Kukoc because he doesn't have Kukoc's size (6'10) and I think he's slightly less athletic... both factors which made Kukoc really special.

I like the comp of a better passing Pierce/Joe Johnson... which would be a pretty damn good player.

But I think he’s supposed to be the playmaker that kukoc was rumored to be but never really became because he played with Jordan and pippen and in the triangle.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'm still skeptical on Kukoc because he doesn't have Kukoc's size (6'10) and I think he's slightly less athletic... both factors which made Kukoc really special.

I like the comp of a better passing Pierce/Joe Johnson... which would be a pretty damn good player.

I think his ceiling is that of essentially a much less athletic version of LeBron. Assuming his passing and ballhandling translate, shooting is at least pretty good and is at least a decent defender. The question is what exactly is LeBron with a quite a bit less athleticism? Maybe a better passing Pierce or Johnson is essentially what that would be like.

 

[rocker]

I'm still skeptical on Kukoc because he doesn't have Kukoc's size (6'10) and I think he's slightly less athletic... both factors which made Kukoc really special.

I like the comp of a better passing Pierce/Joe Johnson... which would be a pretty damn good player.

Here's Kukoc, age 19, Eurobasket 1987. Clearly less athletic compare to Doncic. If Nba has managed to make this body athletic enough to win championships I'm not worried about Doncic.

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

Here's Kukoc, age 19, Eurobasket 1987. Clearly less athletic than Doncic. If Nba has managed to make this body athletic enough to win championships I'm not worried about Doncic.

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Skinnier and weaker? Sure, but that does not prove that he was less athletic. Athleticism is mostly how well you move and jump. Him being skinny does not prove that he wasn't moving and jumping better than Doncic.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here's Kukoc, age 19, Eurobasket 1987. Clearly less athletic compare to Doncic. If Nba has managed to make this body athletic enough to win championships I'm not worried about Doncic.

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yeah... that shows him skinnier. not less athletic.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yeah... that shows him skinnier. not less athletic.

I must be really athletic now!

 

[Mainstreet]

Suns workout today.

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[Ronin]

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[ColdPickleNachos]

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Fantastic size for a guard at 6'8. A big deal in Japan who played four years for George Washington University. He's already 23 years old. Could be an interesting Summer League invite.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[ColdPickleNachos]

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I remember Tabuse! This kid is basically a foot taller than he is.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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