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Banks is who we thought he was. He can get into the lane whenever he wants and goes the rim strong. He's not a pass first PG.

He will not be Steve Nash and the trap people have fallen into is that Steve Nash's back-up must be the same type of player. There is however, no reason to think Banks, if given a chance can't give 10-15 minutes of attacking the rim and playing defense a night.
 

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i'd be more impressed with a dozen dimes.

taking over a summer league game by dominating the ball is exactly what the Suns do not want to see from him.
 

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Banks is who we thought he was. He can get into the lane whenever he wants and goes the rim strong. He's not a pass first PG.

He will not be Steve Nash and the trap people have fallen into is that Steve Nash's back-up must be the same type of player. There is however, no reason to think Banks, if given a chance can't give 10-15 minutes of attacking the rim and playing defense a night.

While disappointing, very true. Will dantoni let him come in and change the style of the game? I dont see a huge downfall from mixing it up like that. The opposing team will have to change it up too; going from defending everyone because a pass could come at any minute, to a PG that will penetrate at will to break up the defense. If they dont trap him before he goes to the paint he may get some assists in his time, just in a different style.

Regardless, banks is not the solution to the quest of finding Nash's heir, but if he can contribute solid minutes it gets me excited about the 2008 PG-heavy draft

cross your fingers atlanta is still a bust
 

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Banks hits 42; Summer Suns fall

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0709suns0710.html

Banks hits 42; Summer Suns fall

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 9, 2007 11:42 PM
LAS VEGAS - The Suns can't simulate the caliber of NBA regular-season play in this week's NBA Summer League.

They could not mimic the atmosphere in the opener Monday, when a few hundred people looked on at Thomas & Mack Center.

What these summer Suns can do is run how the parent club runs. To indoctrinate draft picks Alando Tucker and D.J. Strawberry, the Suns are trying to play fast and furious and are leaning on familiar Suns guards to make that happen.

Marcus Banks is the team's leader and played like it Monday, with a league-record 42 points in the Suns' 93-89 loss to Cleveland.

It is rare that a four-year veteran like Banks plays in such a venue but he needs the experience and confidence as much as the rookies after a disappointing initial Suns season that saw him fall out of the rotation after signing a five-year, $21 million contract a year ago.

Back in the college arena he left in 2003, Banks outclassed the draftees and hopeful free agents around him.

"It feels good," the Las Vegas native said. "Next year is going to be a big year for me. I know it . . . It's just about getting the opportunity. It felt really good. I had a blast out there. It was really fun. That was the whole idea of playing summer league - get that feeling back."

He still had more turnovers (six) than assists (three) but finished with a fourth-quarter flurry, which started when he hit three three-pointers and a three-point play on successive possessions. Banks scored 23 in the fourth on 5-of-8 shooting and finished the game with 12 free throw points.

He also set the tone for the pressure defense that Suns assistant Phil Weber, the summer head coach, wants to see.

"He's been unbelievable," Weber said. "He's embodied leadership over the young guys and worked incredibly hard."

Banks is also getting a new perspective from a possible future Suns assistant coach. Ex-Suns point guard Jay Humphries is working on Weber's bench this week and is a strong candidate to take the bench vacancy left by Marc Iavaroni, now Memphis' head coach.

Humphries, 44, coached the past five years in South Korea and a year in China. Phoenix drafted him 13th overall in 1984, and he played 3 1/2 seasons with the Suns before a trade to Milwaukee.

"The opportunity is good to show you understand this game and you're capable of helping," Humphries said. "Sometimes, when you're out of sight, you're out of mind but my basketball mind is good. I think have some qualities to be a coach in this league."

The summer league is also a player tryout of sorts.

With the guaranteed addition of Tucker (he scored 13 Monday with two last-minute shots), Phoenix still has a roster spot open. Strawberry's defense makes him a candidate. He had an up-and-down debut Monday with the highlight coming when he stole a wing pass and dunked in the open court on P.J. Tucker.

Summer pickup Pape Sow, an athletic big man formerly with Toronto, was expected to be in the mix but Otis George, a 6-foot-9 forward who is two years out of Louisville, has made more of a case in four practices and a 10-rebound game Monday.

"Otis is very interesting," Weber said. "He's definitely a guy we'll look at a lot. His size, length and skill set gives him a chance to play in this league."

I can't find much on Otis. He played a year in the NBDL but I cannot find that he did anything last year. Most reports have him at 6'8" 225.
 
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I was not a big fan of Tony Delk's, but remember when he and Rodney Rogers netted the Phoenix Suns Joe Johnson and another first-round draft pick?

Which turned out to Casey Jacobsen.

Still it was a fantastic deal for the Suns while from the other side Chris Wallace made even more stupid moves (like picking Kedrick Brown at #11, Joe Forte at #21 in the same year and dealing Kenny Anderson expiring contract for Vin Baker's alcoholic megadeal).

Poor Grizzlies...
 

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What the hell do you expect, 12 assists passing to guys like Adam Hess?

That's hilarious our summerleague team is probably the least talented team overall.

Banks did EXACTLY what we wanted to see, he had a great game that is all that matters.
 

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Call me crazy, I expect at least one assist per quarter. He could dominate enough to land 42 points but couldnt control the game enough at point to create 4 solid plays? Blaming the teammates is a cheesy cop out.
 

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Maybe Banks will dominate the summer league and then his trade value goes up?
 

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I was not a big fan of Tony Delk's, but remember when he and Rodney Rogers netted the Phoenix Suns Joe Johnson and another first-round draft pick?

Yeah, but Rogers was good then, and the Celtics were trying to make a playoff push. That trade worked out well for both sides.
 

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I don't think that the Phoenix Suns necessarily envisioned Marcus Banks being a point guard of the future.

When I looked over his statistics and declared that he wasn't a PG, I was nearly flamed off the board. I don't know what the Suns thought, but this board definitely saw Banks as a point.
 

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Jesus Christ, The guy scores 42 points and the Assistant coaches are happy with his play so far and some of you guys still cant help but complain about him.

He's not a pass first point guard, let it the hell go already.

This is the same damn reason he couldnt get any minutes last year and had his confidence shot by D'Antoni.

I don't understand why everyone is begging him to be a creator when its obvious hes a very good scorer when given the chance.

Let him change up our style of play when Nash is on the bench and attack the hell outta the basket if thats what hes best at doing.

Where the heck does it say that our backup PG has to be an exact clone of our starting PG?

Call me crazy but when Banks is playing with confidence (His season with Minnesota and a few games last season) he reminds me of a poor mans Tony Parker, except Parker is a little quicker and Banks is a little stronger, but both know how to attack the rim and draw the foul. Neither are really great passers but Parker has gotten better with time since hes had a chance to grow into the player he now is.

Nash's minutes need to be cut down to atleast 30 a game, and i really want to see Banks get atleast 18-20mpg this season and be allowed to play his style of basketball when Nash is on the bench.

It really pissed me off to see him be forced to play a whole different brand of basketball last year and then be benched for making mistakes while trying to adjust to it.
 
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Jesus Christ, The guy scores 42 points and the Assistant coaches are happy with his play so far and some of you guys still cant help but complain about him.

He's not a pass first point guard, let it the hell go already.

This is the same damn reason he couldnt get any minutes last year and had his confidence shot by D'Antoni.

I don't understand why everyone is begging him to be a creator when its obvious hes a very good scorer when given the chance.

Let him change up our style of play when Nash is on the bench and attack the hell outta the basket if thats what hes best at doing.

Where the heck does it say that our backup PG has to be an exact clone of our starting PG?

Call me crazy but when Banks is playing with confidence (His season with Minnesota and a few games last season) he reminds me of a poor mans Tony Parker, except Parker is a little quicker and Banks is a little stronger, but both know how to attack the rim and draw the foul. Neither are really great passers but Parker has gotten better with time since hes had a chance to grow into the player he now is.

Nash's minutes need to be cut down to atleast 30 a game, and i really want to see Banks get atleast 18-20mpg this season and be allowed to play his style of basketball when Nash is on the bench.

It really pissed me off to see him be forced to play a whole different brand of basketball last year and then be benched for making mistakes while trying to adjust to it.

He didn't get any playing time last year because he is one dimensional.

He didn't get any playing time last year because he would jack up shots when other guys were open.

He didn't get any playing time last year because he is streaky and at times went cold. Not good for a one dimensional player.

He didn't get any playing time last year because despite having a reputation for defense would make more reach in (fouls) then a teenager trying to get to 3rd base for the 1st time.

He doesn't fit.
 

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Yeah, but Rogers was good then, and the Celtics were trying to make a playoff push. That trade worked out well for both sides.

Well, the Boston Celtics obviously made a major blunder trading Joe Johnson instead of Kendrick Brown (that doesn't sound right. Who was the other guy drafted right about the same time as Joe Johnson by the Celtics?). However that wasn't my point. The point was that Tony Delk was a key piece in a great trade for the Phoenix Suns. If Marcus Banks is ever a key piece in a trade that works out like that one I'll be jumping for joy.

When I looked over his statistics and declared that he wasn't a PG, I was nearly flamed off the board. I don't know what the Suns thought, but this board definitely saw Banks as a point.

Obviously you were right and everyone else was wrong. That doesn't change my point. I really think the Phoenix Suns signed Marcus Banks hoping that he would just be a valuable part of the team, not necessarily the point guard of the future. I think they would have been happy if he was an effective combo guard, who could come into the game, play some solid defense, and score off the bench.

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Well, the Boston Celtics obviously made a major blunder trading Joe Johnson instead of Kendrick Brown (that doesn't sound right. Who was the other guy drafted right about the same time as Joe Johnson by the Celtics?).

Yeah, Kedrick Brown is right. (I just looked it up.)

However that wasn't my point. The point was that Tony Delk was a key piece in a great trade for the Phoenix Suns. If Marcus Banks is ever a key piece in a trade that works out like that one I'll be jumping for joy.

Ah, gotcha. So who will the Rogers piece be? Let the speculation begin!

Obviously you were right and everyone else was wrong.

I just wanted someone to admit it. :p
 

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Jesus Christ, The guy scores 42 points and the Assistant coaches are happy with his play so far and some of you guys still cant help but complain about him.

He's not a pass first point guard, let it the hell go already.

This is the same damn reason he couldnt get any minutes last year and had his confidence shot by D'Antoni.

I don't understand why everyone is begging him to be a creator when its obvious hes a very good scorer when given the chance.

Let him change up our style of play when Nash is on the bench and attack the hell outta the basket if thats what hes best at doing.

Where the heck does it say that our backup PG has to be an exact clone of our starting PG?

Call me crazy but when Banks is playing with confidence (His season with Minnesota and a few games last season) he reminds me of a poor mans Tony Parker, except Parker is a little quicker and Banks is a little stronger, but both know how to attack the rim and draw the foul. Neither are really great passers but Parker has gotten better with time since hes had a chance to grow into the player he now is.

Nash's minutes need to be cut down to atleast 30 a game, and i really want to see Banks get atleast 18-20mpg this season and be allowed to play his style of basketball when Nash is on the bench.

It really pissed me off to see him be forced to play a whole different brand of basketball last year and then be benched for making mistakes while trying to adjust to it.

Sorry, but this is the summer league he should dominate he is a 4 year pro. 18-20 mins per game is too much and I do not want to see Banks as the focal point of the offense I want the Suns to win.

Banks is not in the same hemisphere as Parker, sorry.
 

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Here's one big thing that stuck out for Alando Tucker: he only had 3 fouls. It seems like everybody picks up fouls like crazy in the summer league. If he can shoot close to fifty percent this season, play defense and not get into foul trouble, this was a tremendous draft pick.
 

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Sorry, but this is the summer league he should dominate he is a 4 year pro. 18-20 mins per game is too much and I do not want to see Banks as the focal point of the offense I want the Suns to win.

Banks is not in the same hemisphere as Parker, sorry.

Then he's doing what he should be doing and he shouldn't be criticized for it. Perhaps he should be dominating these kids, but I highly doubt you thought he would. He clearly has talent. In terms of speed and quickness, Banks is similar to Tony Parker. In terms of his overall game, of course he's not.
 

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For those complaining about Banks' TOs, he had one that bounced off of Sow's chest just to the right of the basket. Had Sow been paying attention, it would have been one less TO and one more assist. This was Cleveland's 3rd summer league game, so they had it together a little more.

I still don't like Banks running the point - the flow stops. Everett would at least drive and kick, or at least try to drive and kick. The problem with Banks is that if he can't play point, he doesn't really have a spot.
 

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I dont understand why the offense would have to run the Banks if Nash is out in the first place, have the offense run through Hill or Diaw when Nash is out and let Banks attack the basket. It will do two things it will give Nash more of a rest and it will get us to the foul line alot quicker than we usually do because Banks draws fouls and can finish in traffic. I dont think this is all that difficult a situation the kid can play he is just not a pure point, but how many in this league are?
 

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I dont understand why the offense would have to run the Banks if Nash is out in the first place, have the offense run through Hill or Diaw when Nash is out and let Banks attack the basket.
Isn't that the role that Barbosa plays on the Suns? Only one of them can get minutes and, at this point (pardon the pun), it isn't going to be Banks.
 

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The comparisons of Banks to Parker are interesting because Parker is not really much of a point guard. This past season he averaged only 5,5 assists a game, (Manu averaged 3.5 and Duncan 3.4).

The key is that the Spurs do not rely on their point guard to "make plays", but move the ball around more and use the "hit the open man" style. IMHO, the Suns will do more of that with the addition of Hill, so the fact that Barbosa and Banks are not playmakers will not be the problem it has been.
 
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