Suns Trade Half the team.

[mojorizen7]

The Suns losing good players and acquiring more protected draft picks, guards and more short term assets in order to make the 8th seed?

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[Phrazbit]

Pretty sure that 2016 Cleveland pick we got is unprotected, and seeing as they get the #1 pick every other year we should be in good shape.

 

[Rab]

The Suns losing good players and acquiring more protected draft picks, guards and more short term assets in order to make the 8th seed?

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Yet you come in to comment. You must care a little...a smudge, maybe?

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, crap, they sent Ennis... the one real point guard we had.

GSW has the slash brothers and we have the turnover brothers... Knight turns it over more than Bledsoe, believe it or not. I suppose we should be thankful we didn't get Sanders back.

I hate to say it, but Ennis reminded me of Kendall Marshall with his lack of athleticism and poor jump shot. Of course I was hoping for better.

 

[BC867]

Plus this will help show the players they don't run the henhouse, and maybe this will translate into less outbursts/technicals by players such as Markieff.

But they did create a situation where the players ran the henhouse, for which they gutted half the team.

And by still having 2 lead Point Guards and no real backup at Center or Power Forward, it is just a matter of time 'til it happens again. The Front Office didn't solve the problem. They just bought some time.

 

[sunsfan88]

Even if they make additions I don't see how that Lakers make playoffs. I think that pick will be worst scenario #8-#12.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But they did create a situation where the players ran the henhouse, for which they gutted half the team.

And by still having 2 lead Point Guards and no real backup at Center or Power Forward, it is just a matter of time 'til it happens again. The Front Office didn't solve the problem. They just bought some time.

BC... What starting power forward were you hoping the Suns could get for a three month rental in Dragic or a 5'9 shooting guard?

 

[slinslin]

We will also have around 17M$ caproom this year counting Knight's caphold.

 

[BC867]

BC... What starting power forward were you hoping the Suns could get for a three month rental in Dragic or a 5'9 shooting guard?

Right! Which is why I said backup Center or backup Power Forward.

Wright is too light to back up Alex Len, who is still susceptible to injuries and fouls.

Tucker and Marcus do not have the size for backups at Power Forward.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Right! Which is why I said backup Center or backup Power Forward.

Wright is too light to back up Alex Len, who is still susceptible to injuries and fouls.

Tucker and Marcus do not have the size for backups at Power Forward.

With two open roster spots. The Suns could bring up Alec brown from Bakersfield.

 

[Phrazbit]

Right! Which is why I said backup Center or backup Power Forward.

Wright is too light to back up Alex Len, who is still susceptible to injuries and fouls.

Tucker and Marcus do not have the size for backups at Power Forward.

I already said, in the moment I think we're going to miss Plumlee as much or more than anyone. The other guys were easily replaced with guys we got or guys we had. Backup C is a hole.

However, I'd rather not mortgage the future for a quick fix in a backup role when in the end it probably won't matter either way what happens with this team this year.

 

[mojorizen7]

Yet you come in to comment. You must care a little...a smudge, maybe?

Because i'm a fan of about 35 years who has lost faith. You could call it rubbernecking i suppose.

Dragic was the only player left on the team that i cared about emotionally. Also, I always felt his skill set(as a PG) was ideal for the type of team i envisioned having legit success in Phoenix. Not a player you built around...but perhaps the 3rd guy.

I challenge anyone to state in a few words what this franchise has been doing for the last five years in terms of having a clear plan or direction.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I already said, in the moment I think we're going to miss Plumlee as much or more than anyone. The other guys were easily replaced with guys we got or guys we had. Backup C is a hole.

However, I'd rather not mortgage the future for a quick fix in a backup role when in the end it probably won't matter either way what happens with this team this year.

Bingo.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because i'm a fan of about 35 years who has lost faith. You could call it rubbernecking i suppose.

Dragic was the only player left on the team that i cared about emotionally. Also, I always felt his skill set(as a PG) was ideal for the type of team i envisioned having legit success in Phoenix. Not a player you built around...but perhaps the 3rd guy.

I challenge anyone to state in a few words what this franchise has been doing for the last five years in terms of having a clear plan or direction.

Problem is, Dragic is going to get much more then 3rd guy dollars.

Personally... I just don't get people's attachment to him. He's a very good player, who in his first season running the show produced 25 wins, and missed the playoffs the second year and this year looked like three times a charm.

 

[3rdside]

You are entitled to be concerned with all the uncertainty these moves brings. However we didn't achieve anything. There is little fallout for a team that hasn't made the playoffs, if we don't this year, for five straight years. We weren't breaking up the '98 Bulls.

We were basically the 8th seed last year if not for a Bledsoe injury. Had we built on that we could be fighting for 6th seed this year with a better Len and Morris and possibly picking up Stoudemire off waivers. That’s team building with positive good will knowing we’re a year or two ahead of where we thought we’d be. Now we’re back to square one with big question marks surrounding our FO and their ability to manage a team.

We got younger, more cap space, more picks, more talent, and got rid of players who were either causing problems (if rumors are true, Thomas) and guys who were unhappy and would of signed elsewhere (Plumlee, Dragic).

It annoys me people still go on about Dragic’s age – it’s just my view of course but he was the same age as Nash when we brought him here. Keep in mind Dragic had only really had 2 years of leading a team by himself, one with Beasley and Co where he averaged 14 and 7 and then last year when he averaged 20 and 6 while clearly bringing about an over achievement in the W-L record. He still has a ton of room to grow in other words. Again, just my opinion. Why we didn’t build on that is, effectively, stupidity, and we can blow the team up every year if we like, generate excitement amongst fans etc, but it’s not building. It’s starting over which is what we’re now doing again.

The NBA is a professional league, with little room for ego, and even the best, Lebron has quite a destructive ego. We are looking for the future, not trying to 'achieve' the 8th spot in the West. We didn't really lose anything. We potentially lost a good but uncertain who we could take 1st round pick from the Lakers, and a good talent in Ennis. In the end we profited.

Again, we could easily be fighting for 6th seed this year and we lost Dragic, a far better plater than Knight. Reading about this guy I’m not exactly stoked with the acquisition even though he has some potential and if the lakers pick is 6th then we definitely didn’t profit. Saying we did in the first place seems a bit much.

We did this all in short order after getting thrown under the bus by Dragic, and all the other little 'me first' leaks we've had recently. Plus this will help show the players they don't run the henhouse, and maybe this will translate into less outbursts/technicals by players such as Markieff.

As long as you don’t forget that we did it to Dragic first, and in a contract year no less. And the players did run the henhouse, that’s why we’re in this mess. If you think our FO can miraculously turn their (mis)management skills around then you’re more optimistic than I am.

It's not spin, it's reality. Until we are able to compete for the top three spots in the west, we are just missing out on a 1st round loss unless a miracle happens. I don't want the Suns FO banking on a miracle, then another, and another instead of churning assets that will then allow for a solid foundation to be put in place. We didn't have one, we still don't have one, but we are grabbing the pieces and assets to get one.

6th seed was a realistic aim for this season IMO and playoff experience is priceless. We’re miles away from even the 8th seed now. And we are banking on a miracle – that Knight and future picks is better than what we had (referring to last year’s team not this year’s mess). And that old chestnut about ‘asset accumulation’; didn’t that work out for us..

 

[Mainstreet]

Right! Which is why I said backup Center or backup Power Forward.

Wright is too light to back up Alex Len, who is still susceptible to injuries and fouls.

Tucker and Marcus do not have the size for backups at Power Forward.

The Suns are not there. At least they chose to admit it. Also maybe the Suns give Alec Brown a look although he is slight and a stretch player. Still it would be good to give him a look.

 

[slinslin]

Also about the Lakers pick

The Lakers are blatantly tanking. We were not getting that pick this year.

There were two possible scenarios this offseason. Either the Lakers completely strike out on the FA market in which case they would go back to tanking hard making it unlikely we get the pick next season either

or

They were going to spend their money and the pick would only be around #9-14.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

The Suns are not there. At least they chose to admit it. Also maybe the Suns give Alec Brown a look although he is slight and a stretch player. Still it would be good to give him a look.

Might just as well. He could be a Len with a 3 pt shot.

Alec Brown hit both his 3-point shots & blocked 5 shots in a 12-minute D-League debut.

 

[sunsfan88]

Here are some stats on Knight that were posted on the Bucks board. I come in peace and am not posting these here to be an ass, just so anyone who likes numbers can look at numbers.

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Oddly, the Bucks — perhaps the NBA’s most surprising success story this season — played better as a team when Knight was on the bench this season, according Basketball Reference’s on-off data. With Knight off the court, Milwaukee scored at a rate of 107.7 points per 100 possessions, up from 103.2 with him on the court. The team’s defense also improved with Knight off the court, as it allowed 103.5 points per 100 possessions with Knight on the court and 99.3 with him off of it.

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^Bucks fan from real gm.

Their players actually shot better when Knight was on the bench.

 

[cardncubfan]

Who knows, the thread could have been created by a quality poster like you..

At least I'm allowed to post there and isn't perma banned on multiple dupe accounts like you.

I don't come to the Suns forum too often. I lost interest in the Suns since Sarver took over. I take it you 2 don't agree too often?

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't come to the Suns forum too often. I lost interest in the Suns since Sarver took over. I take it you 2 don't agree too often?

What are you talking about, we're the best of pals.

 

[82CardsGrad]

We are getting a Cleveland first rounder from Boston for IT.

sooo

Goran, Zoran, Plumlee, Thomas, Ennis, Lakers 1st
for
Knight, Granger, Thornton, Miami 2017, Miami 2019, Cleveland 2015

 

[82CardsGrad]

I already said, in the moment I think we're going to miss Plumlee as much or more than anyone. The other guys were easily replaced with guys we got or guys we had. Backup C is a hole.

However, I'd rather not mortgage the future for a quick fix in a backup role when in the end it probably won't matter either way what happens with this team this year.

DITTO!

 

[SirStefan32]

^Bucks fan from real gm.

Their players actually shot better when Knight was on the bench.

Sounds exactly like a McD/Babby/Hornacek type of a player.

 

[SirStefan32]

Because i'm a fan of about 35 years who has lost faith. You could call it rubbernecking i suppose.

Dragic was the only player left on the team that i cared about emotionally. Also, I always felt his skill set(as a PG) was ideal for the type of team i envisioned having legit success in Phoenix. Not a player you built around...but perhaps the 3rd guy.

I challenge anyone to state in a few words what this franchise has been doing for the last five years in terms of having a clear plan or direction.

I completely agree. That's exactly how I feel other than some interest in Tucker and Len. What bothers me the most though is not that they chased Dragic out of town, but that they didn't learn anything from it- they just went back to the exact same thing- another selfish, combo-guard.