Suns trading picks with Oklahoma

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By Mike Baldwin
ESPN reported late Tuesday night that the Thunder and Phoenix are rumored to be discussing a trade that would give Oklahoma City two lottery picks Thursday night in the draft.

Ready for the punch line. The Suns want their unprotected pick back that Sam Presti stole from them just a few months on the job from the Kurt Thomas trade two years ago.

According to the report, OKC would get Phoenix’s No. 14 pick while the Suns would get the Thunder’s No. 25 pick late in the first round. It went on to say Presti has an eye on using the pick on Ohio State center B.J. Mullens.

Is it a good deal? It depends.

Phoenix might dismantle. The pick Phoenix would get back could be extremely valuable in the 2010 draft, which figures to be much more loaded with star prospects. What if the Suns tear things apart and have a top 10 pick next season?

If the deal is made, who does Presti select with the final lottery pick?

Mullens would be a project. He was a major disappointment last season as a freshman with the Buckeyes. But many scouts feel he has a lot of upside, although it might be two or three years before you could fairly evaluate someone like Mullens.

But what if Presti ends up using the pick to take someone like Pitt’s beast DeJuan Blair, who might contribute immediately, giving the Thunder some much needed inside muscle?

For now, it’s only a rumor. But if Presti does get Phoenix’s pick it’s a sign he’s confident the team is closer to putting all the pieces together, even if he has to wait a year or two to let someone like Mullens develop.


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[JCSunsfan]

Paul Harris or Budinger with 25? This is a draft where someone is going to fall.

 

[jandaman]

If so... then its not too bad of a deal but it shouldnt be like this either way... Suns dropped the ball with that Kurt Thomas trade.

James Johnson, Earl Clark will most likely be gone, unless Suns have a trade for another pick... probably for Barbosa or Richardson?

Or maybe part of Nash resigned then traded to Knicks for No.8 and filler?

 

[Andrew]

I thought they were set on 14? Like pretty much promising Clark at 14 if he is still there...

 

[mojorizen7]

Swapping '09 picks and getting our '10 pick back?
I'd do this now....even without any player involvement. Then the SUNS will have NO EXCUSE not to blow up this fossilized roster starting tomorrow.
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Take the BDPA at #25. Maybe a Terrance Williams if he's still there.

 

[Sunshooter]

No Way

if Suns do this trade, the rebuilding mode start and we must sell out all the high-paid player.

no one knows the 2010 draft is strong or not.

please forget that stupid unprotected pick and choose the best player available in #14

 

[Ninjafish]

This move would be so bad that it would rival the stupidity of giving up next year's pick in the first place. Our pick next year isn't likely to be much higher than #14. Even if we go into full rebuiilding mode, we're probably not going to be one of the worst teams in the league. Chances are it's not going to be a top ten pick.

So the trade would just mean that we force ourselves to pick a year later around the same range for no real reason.

This would be only be a good move if we could swing another trade that would get us a high pick from this draft. If not, pass.

 

[joshstmarie]

I hope this goes through... like mojo said this is pulling the pin that ignites the gernade.

 

[mojorizen7]

This move would be so bad that it would rival the stupidity of giving up next year's pick in the first place. Our pick next year isn't likely to be much higher than #14. Even if we go into full rebuiilding mode, we're probably not going to be one of the worst teams in the league. Chances are it's not going to be a top ten pick.

So the trade would just mean that we force ourselves to pick a year later around the same range for no real reason.

This would be only be a good move if we could swing another trade that would get us a high pick from this draft. If not, pass.

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[Ninjafish]

The thought of actually wanting to tank before a season even begins is mind boggling. Which we would have to do if we made this trade to ensure that it was a good trade. We would have to hope to lose every game from day one. And you, Mojo want this to happen.... I have a question. Do you like to torture yourself for fun in your spare time or are you just a closet Spurs fan?

Andrew gets a lot of flak here for only being a fan of the Suns because of Shaq, but least he doesn't actively root for the team to be as miserable as possible.

 

[jandaman]

The thought of actually wanting to tank before a season even begins is mind boggling. Which we would have to do if we made this trade to ensure that it was a good trade. We would have to hope to lose every game from day one. And you, Mojo want this to happen.... I have a question. Do you like to torture yourself for fun in your spare time or are you just a closet Spurs fan?

Andrew gets a lot of flak here for only being a fan of the Suns because of Shaq, but least he doesn't actively root for the team to be as miserable as possible.

Ninjafish...
Look at it this way. If Kerr/Sarver WANTS the 2010 pick back... it means they have plans laid down which includes trading Nash. Remember Nash stated he will only sign depending on the direction of the team, if its rebuilding, then he wants out. O'Neal is also more likely to have a suitor.

Kerr wanting the pick back is pretty much saying they will being trading away for the future this season.

 

[Ninjafish]

I know that, but there has to be of making the future better that doesn't involve us hoping that on day one, Suns players come out with no energy, show no improvement over the summer, and get their asses handed to them.

Even Timberwolves, Kings, and Knicks fans won't be hoping that their team sucks on the first day. They'll see what their team is capable of first and then make the judgment that their team is lottery bound and hope to lose games.

 

[Ronin]

Paul Harris or Budinger with 25? This is a draft where someone is going to fall.

Im thinking Patty Mills!









No to CHASE BUDINGER!

 

[slinslin]

A chain of dumb trades.......


Trade #7 for a future pick (ended up non-lottery) to sign QRich. Trade QRich and the future pick (and another?) to get Kurt Thomas, trade Kurt Thomas and 2 unprotected firsts for nothing, trade #14 to get one of those picks back and #25.

Jesus......

So in the end we trade #7(Deng/iguodala), #XYZ(Nate Robinson I think), a 5-6 Million $ player instead of Q, a late first rounder last year and #14 this year FOR::

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A #25 Draftpick this year!
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If we do get our pick back we better ****ing trade our whole team and rebuild RIGHT NOW. Else we make the playoffs next year probably and just traded #14 in this draft for #20-25 next year. Just great.......

Seeing how Minnesota got #5 without giving up too much..

 

[HooverDam]

The thought of actually wanting to tank before a season even begins is mind boggling. Which we would have to do if we made this trade to ensure that it was a good trade. We would have to hope to lose every game from day one. And you, Mojo want this to happen.... I have a question. Do you like to torture yourself for fun in your spare time or are you just a closet Spurs fan?

Andrew gets a lot of flak here for only being a fan of the Suns because of Shaq, but least he doesn't actively root for the team to be as miserable as possible.

Jeez, you are extremely short sighted. Wouldn't you trade one season of crappiness for setting your team up for the future with a high pick and trades that net young players?

I know that, but there has to be of making the future better that doesn't involve us hoping that on day one, Suns players come out with no energy, show no improvement over the summer, and get their asses handed to them.

Even Timberwolves, Kings, and Knicks fans won't be hoping that their team sucks on the first day. They'll see what their team is capable of first and then make the judgment that their team is lottery bound and hope to lose games.

Sorry, you're just flat out wrong. Fans of bad teams do often hope their team blows it up and goes through a rebuilding year. Why do you have such a hard on for the Suns being mediocre next year and then terrible to mediocre for the next 5? Wheres the long term vision in that plan?

 

[Mainstreet]

I sort of wanted Mullens at #14 for the Suns. Either way he might be selected at this slot.


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[AsUdUdE]

yeah.. I would do this trade...

we NEED our pick back next year.. unfortunantly because our FO is soo damn incompetant we need to trade back 11 spots in the draft just to partly undo what they have done in the first place...

I am NOT happy about the deal, but I think we should do it...

 

[Covert Rain]

Paul Harris or Budinger with 25? This is a draft where someone is going to fall.

But what will fall is probably complete junk at 25. This draft is weak. Budinger at 25 would be proof of that.

Swapping '09 picks and getting our '10 pick back?
I'd do this now....even without any player involvement. Then the SUNS will have NO EXCUSE not to blow up this fossilized roster starting tomorrow.
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Take the BDPA at #25. Maybe a Terrance Williams if he's still there.

Agreed. Maybe the Suns are coming to their senses that this roster is not going to do much as is.

Jeez, you are extremely short sighted. Wouldn't you trade one season of crappiness for setting your team up for the future with a high pick and trades that net young players?

Sorry, you're just flat out wrong. Fans of bad teams do often hope their team blows it up and goes through a rebuilding year. Why do you have such a hard on for the Suns being mediocre next year and then terrible to mediocre for the next 5? Wheres the long term vision in that plan?

OMG you nailed it. There is nothing that says "future" about keeping the team as is. Who gives a crap if this team is mediocre, doesn't stand a chance come playoff time and wins some games with the roster as is? What is the point? The end game in the NBA is a title. You roll out this same team and we all know the outcome before the season begins. No title and no shot at a title. You do that and we have already conceded the season before it began. It's already tanked.

The way some fans have been conditioned to except mediocre with this organization is mind boggling. I would trade some painful seasons for the prospect of building this team the right way in heart beat. I know what we have with this roster. What I don't know is what we could have if we start to rebuild. There is at least hope in the prospect of rebuilding.

 

[tobiazz]

The players at 14 are not that exciting. If the Suns stink at the same level next year then they end up with a "free" 25th pick, a better 14th pick (with a slight chance of being top 3). If the Suns win 55+ games next year this turns out to be a terrible swap.

The Suns are reportedly looking at acquiring the #5/6 from MIN so that may mean they are blowing things up and could really use their 2010 pick back. It would be hard to move up to #6 without sending an expiring deal to MIN (except Barbosa). Trading one of the big expiring deals like Shaq or Amare could start a chain reaction that requires moving Nash.

I wouldn't mind a mini rebuild that involves resigning Nash to entice free agents to sign here, but Nash wants no part of that. My gut tells me Kerr will make big moves and finally have his team. Hard to tell with this team that changes its plan every six months.

 

[elindholm]

I wouldn't mind a mini rebuild that involves resigning Nash to entice free agents to sign here, but Nash wants no part of that. My gut tells me Kerr will make big moves and finally have his team. Hard to tell with this team that changes its plan every six months.

Or every six weeks, or every six hours. But I agree, as long as this team is going nowhere, it would be a relief to get the impression that they have some sort of direction in mind, even if it's a questionable one.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Now this would be a great move by Kerr

 

[Black Jesus]

Terrence Williams is gone at that point. That pick is Chase Budinger. Chase will be a good pro and a top 10 player from this draft... MARK MY WORDS!

 

[Mainstreet]

As pointed out, the Suns would be getting two first round picks (including their potential lottery pick for 2010) for #14. It's hard not to like unless one is high on Mullens potential. This is a fairly flat draft other than possibly a couple of players.

 

[Folster]

If reports are true and we are trying to move up to the #5 or #6 then it would have to be a three team deal. Minnesota is not trading for a one year rental of Amare.

We should also explore trading with either Sac (#4), GS (#7), or NY (#8)

Sac: Amare for Thompson/Hawes filler and #4
GS: Amare for Randolph filler and #7
NY: Amare for S&T Lee filler and #8

Amare would definitely resign in NY, maybe GS, but probably not Sac.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

This is a rumor and the subject title is poorly worded. Fail.