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I never pay any attention to Amin, we all know he has an axe to grind. But there were two comments made in that presser about the best player. The one where a reporter asks them about trading away the best player on the team I had no problem with. When he answered back in support of Bledsoe and Markieff, that was understandable AFAIC. He was just supporting his players.

But when he offered up the statement that Knight was the best player coming or going in those trades, that was a dig at Goran and it was out of line. And that's also the comment that Grant Hill responded to. But I'll point out that most of the people taking shots right now (including Grant Hill) are taking shots at sound bytes, they didn't actually watch the conference.

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Is it possible that he believes it? I do think mgmt was quite aware of Goran's deficiencies. Suns mgmt now values defense.

Interesting evaluation anyway. We will see. Love that Archie is starting to get some burn.
 

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Nice stat line for Len. With Plumlee out of the way, he is he man. I don't think they want to play him over 30 minutes on a regualar basis though.
 

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So you'd feel worse if they won? Or you'd feel extra-special good?

What I meant was I feel really good about they played. It was encouraging. Of course the "L" isn't good, but when evaluating how they'll play the rest of the season, this game was a positive.
 

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What I meant was I feel really good about they played. It was encouraging.

Aside from the starting backcourt shooting 9-25, and getting thoroughly outplayed by Rubio and Martin, I agree with you. Hopefully Knight's arrival will help the weak guard play. Otherwise, uh oh.
 

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I think the focus is a little bit off. The Suns were committed to keeping Bledsoe, right or wrong. My personal preference was to have Dragic be the primary playmaker but he kissed that opportunity good bye with his trade demand. I think ultimately Dragic would have returned to this position with the Suns... somehow... someway if Bledsoe did not improve. IMO, the focus should be whether Knight will be a better fit for the Suns than Dragic. Not Bledsoe versus Dragic. I guess we will find out.
 

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I think the focus is a little bit off. The Suns were committed to keeping Bledsoe, right or wrong. My personal preference was to have Dragic be the primary playmaker but he kissed that opportunity good bye with his trade demand. I think ultimately Dragic would have returned to this position with the Suns... somehow... someway if Bledsoe did not improve. IMO, the focus should be whether Knight will be a better fit for the Suns than Dragic. Not Bledsoe versus Dragic. I guess we will find out.
I think you hit the nail on the head. From what I've read, Knight has better Point Guard skills than Bledsoe.

I wonder if, because he is 6'3" like Dragic, Knight will also be played out of position with both of them starting. And if he, too, will become disenchanted (if he isn't already, from what we've read).

It could be SOS-DF. That's SOS-different faces.

The problem is Eric Bledsoe. He is a tweener with insufficient skills at either the Point Guard or Shooting Guard position. And his defense isn't consistent enough to make up for it.

The Front Office is betting on the wrong horse. Until Eric Bledsoe is moved, very little is going to change.
 

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I think you hit the nail on the head. From what I've read, Knight has better Point Guard skills than Bledsoe.

I wonder if, because he is 6'3" like Dragic, Knight will also be played out of position with both of them starting. And if he, too, will become disenchanted (if he isn't already, from what we've read).

It could be SOS-DF. That's SOS-different faces.

The problem is Eric Bledsoe. He is a tweener with insufficient skills at either the Point Guard or Shooting Guard position. And his defense isn't consistent enough to make up for it.

The Front Office is betting on the wrong horse. Until Eric Bledsoe is moved, very little is going to change.

However, looking at Bledsoe's improvement over the years I wouldn't write him off just yet. He is only 25 years old. I just think life might have been easier with Dragic as the lead PG. You might take a peek at Blesoe's stats.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html
 

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What's funny is that Amin is taking bigger shots then McD.

If McD looks bad, Amin looks REALLY REALLY bad.
 

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What's funny is that Amin is taking bigger shots then McD.

If McD looks bad, Amin looks REALLY REALLY bad.

Who cares what Amin looks like? He's not one of the faces of the franchise.

And for anyone that says bad PR doesn't matter... all that matters is $ when it comes to FA, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. If two teams, armed with the same amount of money are going after a FA, you better believe what players think of a FO matters a hell of a lot as the deciding factor when money's the same.
 

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Who cares what Amin looks like? He's not one of the faces of the franchise.

And for anyone that says bad PR doesn't matter... all that matters is $ when it comes to FA, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. If two teams, armed with the same amount of money are going after a FA, you better believe what players think of a FO matters a hell of a lot as the deciding factor when money's the same.

I agree with all of this but I don't know if McDonough had kept his mouth shut that this situation would have been much better. It probably would have shortened the news cycle a bit but the damage was already done. Goran loudly called them liars, then, when he apologized for making it out to be worse than it really was, it came out as a whisper.

Regardless, this will blow over and Amin's brief moment in the sun will come crashing down. He survived taking a cheat shot at Woj but the guy is making enemies in a business that has long memories. Ask me in 5 years who this clown is. I'm pretty sure that, just like the rest of the world, I will have forgotten his name by then.

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Oh great, now the whole world is going to think Amin is trending on the internets. We probably just got him a nice raise at ESPN.

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Oh great, now the whole world is going to think Amin is trending on the internets. We probably just got him a nice raise at ESPN.

Steve

Not if we use our own exclusive code word when we discuss him.
 

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We traded away 2 double digit scorers, in theory we are worse than we were before the trade deadline so we're gonna lose some games. I'm okay as long as it improves our chances for an impact player in the draft, helps develop Warren & Goodwin and showcases Bledsoe to make him more appealing to another team to trade for which will allow Knight to be the man at PG.
 

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We traded away 2 double digit scorers, in theory we are worse than we were before the trade deadline so we're gonna lose some games. I'm okay as long as it improves our chances for an impact player in the draft, helps develop Warren & Goodwin and showcases Bledsoe to make him more appealing to another team to trade for which will allow Knight to be the man at PG.

Giving Thomas away for free would have been addition by subtraction. I do wonder, though, if Knight does well, if Bledsoe will be a potential trade piece.
 

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Who cares what Amin looks like? He's not one of the faces of the franchise.

And for anyone that says bad PR doesn't matter... all that matters is $ when it comes to FA, that's pretty narrow minded thinking. If two teams, armed with the same amount of money are going after a FA, you better believe what players think of a FO matters a hell of a lot as the deciding factor when money's the same.

Apparently quite a few since they are posting and agreeing with him. Not just here, but everywhere. He's a mouthpiece of BS with a national platform, and suckers who just want to complain and moan about someone else team, will pile on our team. It's all bs.

Remember he was part of the franchise, so it's a bit disingenuous for him to be, again, putting us down for things done during HIS administration. Plus he was making crap up, and he has little, if any logic.

NO ONE WRONGED HIM ON THE DRAGIC trade. Yet most people aren't saying anything except praising him for being an butthole and wrong btw.

He seems more salty then Dragic and McD combined. Yet wasn't involved, and wasn't wronged. Pointing that out, and his axe to grind against the Suns, and all the misinformation he published, should sort of be in the mix when discussing the merits of what he said.

Just because a bunch of blind people agree the destination is that way, doesn't mean they are right. Hell how do they even know they are all pointing the same way?

Yeah PR matters, and I don't think what McD did, he should of done. But at the same time, there were some circumstances.

But if we put it all into perspective, the damage that was done, was done mostly by Dragic. What Dragic did was worse then what McD did. He didn't say anything untrue. Did what he say really make things that much worse then what Dragic did. Not really. If people want to believe BS they can, and if FA's don't come here because they believe a bunch of BS spouted out by me-first crybabies like Goran and Amin, then you're right. BS can cause us trouble. That doesn't mean I should stop pointed out BS.

Also has anyone stopped to write down the questions? They were PEPPERING them, with every little nuance. He should have said no comment, and we did many times.

Maybe if you saw the number of times they peppered them with basically the same question, you'd see they actually handled it pretty well.

The shots they took were believing the guy two front office's scouted, and younger, they got after being blindsided (sort of...it's both yes and no to that) by Dragic was better then Dragic. They believe they got the better player. They said that after being screwed by Dragic. After being peppered. Okay.

It's salty, but it's really not that bad.

They were right that the winners buy into the team. Jordan did. Magic did. Duncan did. Dragic didn't. That's simply a fact. Dragic left because he didn't want to and couldn't see something blatantly obvious, the team has an approach and he was going to be a part of it, but some small inconveniences got in the way, and that was too much. That's some thin skin for Dragic.

But no, if FA's want to be morons, and not come here because of this situation, then I think the thing they will think about most, is what Dragic said about not having trust, not what McD said to partially and not nearly as bad is could of been to explain the situation.

Either way, signings are just one way to improve, so it doesn't completely screw us. Even with $arver's history we still have managed to get some talent to come here, and I think that is FAR FAR worse for us PR wise, then what McD said. So let's put those things into perspective.

Look at it realistically. Do most players think they are going to try to screw the front office they are looking to join? Because that's what elicited the response. So no, this isn't just a GM going off on someone, it's only after a very bad, and very public situation caused by a baby disgruntled player who acted first.

That FA, could say...I'll never be like that idiot Dragic, thus it doesn't apply to me, and so why should it impact my willingness to sign?

But it's also not just money or the way a moron forced his way out of town, it's also how good the team is and what direction it's going.

If $arver didn't kill our team's chances to sign FA's, then what McD said during some very difficult situations, won't have a long term impact as well.

McD could and should have taken a slightly higher road, but some of what he said was unavoidable, and where he did take shots, they were based in unabashed truth.
 

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Maybe I missed it but I never read where McDonough or Babby called Dragic selfish in the same sentence or directly. The media loves to combine Dragic and selfish together but if the media wants to get there they have to infer it.
 

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We traded away 2 double digit scorers, in theory we are worse than we were before the trade deadline so we're gonna lose some games. I'm okay as long as it improves our chances for an impact player in the draft, helps develop Warren & Goodwin and showcases Bledsoe to make him more appealing to another team to trade for which will allow Knight to be the man at PG.

of course we are worse, McD and Babby might say that they are still competing for that playoff spot but they also know that we traded 1/3 of our team and that there will be an adjustment period for everyone to start clicking.

I really really doubt that McD thinks we can still make the playoffs.
 

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Maybe I missed it but I never read where McDonough or Babby called Dragic selfish in the same sentence or directly. The media loves to combine Dragic and selfish together but if the media wants to get there they have to infer it.

That's true, we are all inferring it.

That's what this sort of thing has become. If you say certain things, they are then inferred, and thus that becomes them completely and directly saying things.

It used to be that if you simply said something that might be inferred, it was taken as the high road or sly medium road, but now people take it as a complete and utter burn.

So if that's the case, there was nothing he could do to not look bad, except say no comment to any and everything.

At least McD's inferred burns were based on facts.
 

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That's true, we are all inferring it.

That's what this sort of thing has become. If you say certain things, they are then inferred, and thus that becomes them completely and directly saying things.

It used to be that if you simply said something that might be inferred, it was taken as the high road or sly medium road, but now people take it as a complete and utter burn.

So if that's the case, there was nothing he could do to not look bad, except say no comment to any and everything.

At least McD's inferred burns were based on facts.

Whatever happened to the artful use of the English language to shred someone with out really saying it. ;)
 

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If $arver didn't kill our team's chances to sign FA's, then what McD said during some very difficult situations, won't have a long term impact as well.

you say the above as if NBA player still see us as a FA destination place, regardless of what Sarver's done in the past... but it's NOT. We didn't make the trade for Pau last season because he said he wouldn't sign with us, we've had cap room multiple times in the last five years and never lured ONE high profile FA... and are coming off widely acknowledged acrimonious negotiations with Bledsoe and now are seen as a team who had "the nicest player in the world" slam us, become disgruntled and demand a trade.

There IS AND ALREADY HAS BEEN long-term impact by Sarver and I fear McD's petulance yesterday will only dig that hole deeper.
 

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