Suns waive a player

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I guess that I finally got it.

Suns signed DerMarr Johnson for saving money with cutting of him.

Nope, you certainly don't get it.

 

[elindholm]

Well, if the Suns ever have a chance to get Ray Allen, I guess they won't, because he wouldn't be able to get time at SG behind Jacobsen and Barbosa.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Well, if the Suns ever have a chance to get Ray Allen, I guess they won't, because he wouldn't be able to get time at SG behind Jacobsen and Barbosa.

Um, you're actually comparing DerMarr Johnson to Ray Allen? Never thought you would stoop that low, Eric.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by elindholm
I honestly wonder whether they cut him because they knew that, down the road, they wouldn't be able to afford him. What would be the point in keeping him now and working him into the system, if he would just need a larger contract in another year or two?

The Suns really don't have any money to spend on role players, particularly if they plan to keep Joe Johnson, Cabarkapa, probably Voskuhl, and possibly Barbosa. Everyone else is going to have to be making bottom-of-the-barrel money. If DerMarr Johnson ends up getting anywhere near the level that made him a middle lottery pick, he'll certainly be getting more money from someone by the time the Suns are contenders.

this post is just patently ridiculous. if you think all the suns care about is money and not winning, why do you support them?

at least with the cards i think they care about winning, they're just too stupid to accomplish it.

 

[elindholm]

Um, you're actually comparing DerMarr Johnson to Ray Allen? Never thought you would stoop that low, Eric.

I'm debating the argument that DJohnson would struggle to get time on this year's Suns.

Based on preseason play:

1. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Jacobsen.
2. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Barbosa.
3. Both DJohnson and Allen are better suited to an up-tempo game than Hardaway.

So it's not that much different. The Suns have a player who is likely to improve their team, and they can't afford him, so they're letting him go. We've heard this story before.

 

[elindholm]

if you think all the suns care about is money and not winning, why do you support them?

Refer to my previous post on this subject.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Um, you're actually comparing DerMarr Johnson to Ray Allen? Never thought you would stoop that low, Eric.

I'm debating the argument that DJohnson would struggle to get time on this year's Suns.

Based on preseason play:

1. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Jacobsen.
2. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Barbosa.
3. Both DJohnson and Allen are better suited to an up-tempo game than Hardaway.

So it's not that much different. The Suns have a player who is likely to improve their team, and they can't afford him, so they're letting him go. We've heard this story before.

Not saying you are wrong, but please provide reasons why DJohnson was better than Barbosa and Jacobsen this preseason.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by elindholm

I'm debating the argument that DJohnson would struggle to get time on this year's Suns.

Based on preseason play:

1. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Jacobsen.
2. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Barbosa.
3. Both DJohnson and Allen are better suited to an up-tempo game than Hardaway.

So it's not that much different. The Suns have a player who is likely to improve their team, and they can't afford him, so they're letting him go. We've heard this story before.

Excluding the Ray Allen part, all those points are debatable.
I did not see him play, did you? I saw some box scores and heard some radio coverage.
I think it is obivious the Suns thought he was not good enough to make the team this year.

If Johnson is so good maybe we should have traded him for Allen.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by elindholm
Well, if the Suns ever have a chance to get Ray Allen, I guess they won't, because he wouldn't be able to get time at SG behind Jacobsen and Barbosa.

no, apparently they wouldn't pick him up 'cuz they don't want to pay him that cash. the colangeli never pick up big money players to get better.

[that is all said in sarcasm in response to some of the ridiculous posts i've read on this thread.]

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by elindholm
Um, you're actually comparing DerMarr Johnson to Ray Allen? Never thought you would stoop that low, Eric.

I'm debating the argument that DJohnson would struggle to get time on this year's Suns.

Based on preseason play:

1. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Jacobsen.
2. Both DJohnson and Allen are better than Barbosa.
3. Both DJohnson and Allen are better suited to an up-tempo game than Hardaway.

So it's not that much different. The Suns have a player who is likely to improve their team, and they can't afford him, so they're letting him go. We've heard this story before.

CAN'T AFFORD A MIN CONTRACT?!? if he'd make the team better THIS YEAR at a min contract and then they'd have to lose him, you don't think they'd rent him for a year? you're on crack!

 

[elindholm]

if he'd make the team better THIS YEAR at a min contract and then they'd have to lose him, you don't think they'd rent him for a year?

No, I don't. It would interfere with their ability to assess JJohnson, Barbosa, and Jacobsen. I think that they wouldn't keep him unless they thought he could be part of the team's long-term future.

 

[elindholm]

I think it is obivious the Suns thought he was not good enough to make the team this year.

I don't this it's obvious at all. I don't even think it's true.

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by elindholm
I think it is very, very likely that we would have seen a lineup like Stoudemire/Marion/JJohnson/DJohnson/Marbury if he had been on the team. I think we would have seen that lineup often, in fact. (Or switch the positions of JJohnson and DJohnson, whatever.)

And now they might be forced to play Archibald in that lineup, instead of DerMarr...and you have a problem with that?


What I don't know is why people are down on Archibald. This guy is medium-sized for a center (as opposed to Voskuhl), he can run, he can catch the friggin' ball, he can score around the basket and might be able to shoot from outside. Most importantly, he's out there taking people's lunch money whenever he's on the court.

How could anybody complain, every single day, that the Suns are too small and too soft, then turn around and complain some more that the Suns should have dropped Archibald instead of DerMarr Johnson or Trybanski?


If I were the Suns' GM and I had an unlimited budget, I would still have trouble keeping DerMarr around. I would want to sign my future starting center in the FA market next year, which means that I want to have my entire MLE available. That means that Dermarr is gone next year, regardless of whether he's here this season or not.

Plus, minutes for DerMarr mean minutes for Marion at PF, and I don't want to see that happen.


This is how I see the future of the Suns' power positions:

PF: Amare, Zarko
C: 2004 MLE FA, Voskuhl, Archibald

If keeping DerMarr interferes with that, then he has to go. It's too bad, because I like him and I think he'll be a lot better than Stephen Jackson, but that's the way it has to be.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
I think it is obivious the Suns thought he was not good enough to make the team this year.

I don't this it's obvious at all. I don't even think it's true.

Arrogant presumption with NO basis whatsoever in anything resembling fact.

 

[elindholm]

And now they might be forced to play Archibald in that lineup, instead of DerMarr...and you have a problem with that?

I wouldn't if the Suns would actually try using a center. But instead, DJohnson will be replaed in that lineup by Jacobsen or Barbosa. If you've followed the Suns at all, you know this is true.

Plus, minutes for DerMarr mean minutes for Marion at PF, and I don't want to see that happen.

If getting rid of DJohnson would keep Marion out of the PF spot, I'd be all for it. But I guarantee you it won't. Expect to see Marion at PF often.

 

[elindholm]

Arrogant presumption with NO basis whatsoever in anything resembling fact.

Please explain to me why it is arrogant for me to say "I think" such-and-such.

 

[Chaz]

Eric, What did D.Johnson do this preseason to make you think he is that good.

Again, did you see him play?

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Arrogant presumption with NO basis whatsoever in anything resembling fact.

Please explain to me why it is arrogant for me to say "I think" such-and-such.

You have no basis for that opinion. You can have an opinion, but it's the same as saying that you hate a certain food without ever trying it. DJ just didn't show enough to warrant that kind of conclusion. I'd like to know (which you have yet to do) WHY you think that.

That's like me saying that whoever we draft next year will start in 2 years.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by elindholm
I think it is obivious the Suns thought he was not good enough to make the team this year.

I don't this it's obvious at all. I don't even think it's true.

So your saying the Suns thought he was good enough and could help them this year so they cut him?

 

[Glenn_Cameron]

They signed Johnson to initiate and goose the pre-season fan base. Once that was accomplished they cut him.

 

[Starbury]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Apparently, as of now, the Suns don't agree.



Let's see:

SG
Joe Johnson
Penny Hardaway
Casey Jacobsen
Leandro Barbosa?

SF
Shawn Marion
Zarko Cabarkapa
Joe Johnson

Not a lot of room for DerMarr.

Zarko may not be 100% completely healthy for the start of the season because of his hernia surgery. Even then it might take him time to get used to the NBA-style of play. Unless you think Zarko can come in and get 15+ points off the bench right away. I'm not saying that DerMarr would either, BUT I'd rather have him, at least temporarily, as our backup SG/SF or 11th/12th man than Archibald. Who would you rather see take the minutes until Zarko is ready, DerMarr or Archibald?

DerMarr could have filled the backup SF spot until Zarko was ready. After that if he gets no PT, trade, cut him or leave him on the bench.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Glenn_Cameron
They signed Johnson to initiate and goose the pre-season fan base. Once that was accomplished they cut him.

Wow, talk about arrogant assumptions.

Half the fans don't even know who he is.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Starbury
Who would you rather see take the minutes until Zarko is ready, DerMarr or Archibald?

At forward? For the size factor, Archibald

DerMarr could have filled the backup SF spot until Zarko was ready. After that if he gets no PT, trade or cut him.

JJ or Penny could backup SF as well. It is not like Marion spends much time on the bench anyway.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SirChaz
At forward? For the size factor, Archibald


JJ or Penny could backup SF as well. It is not like Marion spends much time on the bench anyway.

Very well.
Now be happy that Suns waived Dermarr Johnson and didn't add an athletic defensive stopper to their roster!

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Very well.
Now be happy that Suns waived Dermarr Johnson and didn't add an athletic defensive stopper to their roster!

Why the sarcasm? Why not actually try to contribute to the conversation?