Well the professional gets paid to, and has the time and resources to, conduct research into the players. And is also afforded access we do not possess. So the difference isn’t just that one gets paid and the other does not. In addition, the professional has had to convince an owner that their opinion has value. Whereas no one has vetted slan’s knowledge and opinion. He hasn’t had to prove his worth.
As has been argued ad nauseum, no one is arguing these grades are final. I’d be surprised if even sanders wouldn’t admit these grades are incomplete. But what we can do is judge the quality based on the evidence in possession today. They are, of course, open to interpretation and evolution as facts change. As with all analysis. I don’t think anyone is projecting grades into the future. Just grading what’s been seen to date. And that’s a reasonable course of action.
I think judging based on starters is faulty reasoning. If you’re the worst team in the league but your entire team consists of drafted starters your drafts were only good enough to be yhe worst team. The fact they start is immaterial. Bad is bad. Just because your team couldn’t identify and acquire bettter talent than your draftees doesn’t make your draftees good. The only valid comparison is to other players league-wide, not just the subset of your team roster.
Sure! Fair. Implied that it has to be quality starters. Starters where there are no questions about the starting status and not just starters because the team is horrible. Not necessary pro-bowlers, but quality play. Your Froholdt, Wilson x2, Thompson, White of the world
Man, you and cheese are salty. I read it. And the main reason why is because Cheese is being annoying AF, condescending, and borderline ban worthy with his ALL CAPS childishness.
Mock draft by Dane Brugler.
This would be great but I keep seeing Princely will be gone before that.
You can judge him compared to Nico and Tee. Draft status just sets expectations and the player has zero control over it. Just like they have zero control over their team and the scheme. If your floor expectation for MHJ is a top 10 WR in the NFL because he was drafted #4 overall...he may never meet that expectation. Especially if there inconsistency at the QB position. The real question is, if MHJ is a top 20 NFL WR, is that ok?
No. Drafted #4, you expect at minimum a top 10 WR. Anything less is a failure.
Here is where I differ in this scenario. I blame the GM and not the player. I am happy to have a top 20 WR. MHJ didn't choose to be a top 10 pick. Monti did. I am disappointed the GM didn't get better value with the #4 overall pick. I am happy MHJ is a top 20 WR.
Chopper… you already calling MHJ a top 20 WR, right now? Or is this based on a long term view where you think he’ll eventually at least be a top 20 WR?
That is all fair. I just feel that if you have a top 5 pick (as we did in consecutive drafts), you're expecting cornerstone top 10 guys at their positions. These are guys that are critical to making sure you're not drafting top 5 again. So far, PJJ is a fine player, but doesn't appear to be a dominant force. (Vs. the guy we passed up for him). Marv had an underwhelming year, but still has shown flashes of greatness.
Same.
I was using top 20 WR as a comparable to a top 10 WR. Just for arguments sake, not because I think MHJ is currently a top 20 WR. (I do think it is reasonable to think he will progress to a top 20 WR next year but a lot can happen)
#10 WR was Smith-Nijigba 137/1130/6
Agreed.
Yeah, two FA pro bowlers in a vacuum sound great, until you take into consideration they're your returner and punter.
Sounds good? I'm not sure as I'm not up to speed on the top prospects.
My man it's a different league now than it was 10 years ago, which was your MOST RECENT example.
I guess I don't understand how you are supposed to evaluate MHJ as a top whatever WR if you don't factor in all of the top whatever WRs regardless of draft status.
TBF (and i didn't open the links) passing yards per game are the lowest they have been since 2008. So, any arguments about passing yards do need the context of years 2010 to 2021 being very inflated compared tot he current NFL. (just doing a drive by here)
Counterpoint, they also only played 16 game seasons.
Jesus...how good were Larrys hands that he got 58 catches off zero targets..holy crap dude was a stud
