Suns @ Warriors 10-22-18

[Mainstreet]

The Suns are practicing in the Warriors practice facility today in preparation for their Monday game. Meanwhile the Warriors play the Nuggets tonight in Denver.

Game time is scheduled for 7:30 p.m. Arizona time. It will be televised on FSAZ.

 

[Mainstreet]

Troy Daniels is listed as questionable for the game.

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[Mainstreet]

Rondo and Ingram will miss the Suns game on Wednesday in Phoenix.

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[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[95pro]

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JJ doesn’t shoot like that in games. He does an all out jump shot as his in-game shot

 

[Yuma]

He has to shoot like he practices. That is why you practice. To make something reliable under pressure.

 

[Proximo]

JJ doesn’t shoot like that in games. He does an all out jump shot as his in-game shot

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He probably should shoot like this in the games though, because he should only be shooting 3’s if he is wide open.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He probably should shoot like this in the games though, because he should only be shooting 3’s if he is wide open.

I agree, but I think it's more about the rhythm than being open. He needs to shoot in rhythm. He gets in trouble when he starts to force things.

 

[sunsfan88]

Warriors are on the 2nd night of a back to back so I hope the Suns are able to make it competitive.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Warriors are on the 2nd night of a back to back so I hope the Suns are able to make it competitive.

They could be on their 3rd night of B2B's and the Suns wouldn't be able to make it competitive. If the game is close, that will be due far more to the Warriors than us. We just aren't in their league, by a long shot.

 

[sunsfan88]

They could be on their 3rd night of B2B's and the Suns wouldn't be able to make it competitive. If the game is close, that will be due far more to the Warriors than us. We just aren't in their league, by a long shot.

Eh seems like a defeatist attitude. We're not a team that's lacking in talent even if its young and we have a decent team of vets so I'd like to think we can make it a competitive game with any team in the league based on the Suns merit than a problem with the other team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Eh seems like a defeatist attitude. We're not a team that's lacking in talent even if its young and we have a decent team of vets so I'd like to think we can make it a competitive game with any team in the league based on the Suns merit than a problem with the other team.

Big difference between defeatist and realist. And we are lacking in talent, don't kid yourself. We have some special players but we have a lot of holes too and good teams, even decent teams don't have the kind of holes we have. And the talent we do have is unseasoned.

Keep this team mostly intact but add a starter caliber point guard and power forward and in 2 or 3 years this team will be competitive on a regular basis. But today, the only way we hang with the best team in the league is if the best team in the league takes the night off. The gap between us and the Warriors is too extreme. If they take us lightly and we get hot, anything can happen but again, that's mostly on them.

 

[sunsfan88]

Big difference between defeatist and realist. And we are lacking in talent, don't kid yourself. We have some special players but we have a lot of holes too and good teams, even decent teams don't have the kind of holes we have. And the talent we do have is unseasoned.

Keep this team mostly intact but add a starter caliber point guard and power forward and in 2 or 3 years this team will be competitive on a regular basis. But today, the only way we hang with the best team in the league is if the best team in the league takes the night off. The gap between us and the Warriors is too extreme. If they take us lightly and we get hot, anything can happen but again, that's mostly on them.

Yeah, I definitely don't agree. I think in a season with 82 games, it's possible for a team to just outplay the other and make it a good game or even get a W. Forget the Suns, I'd feel the way if about the Kings if they were about to play the Warriors or any other. Or any other team that's projected to be very bad. Have seen many heavy weight teams lose to far inferior teams across all sports and many times the first words out of the losing heavy weight team is just "Give them the credit, they outplayed us and got the win". Being outplayed by an inferior team once in an 82 game season does not mean they are a better team but it certainly doesn't mean the team doesn't deserve any credit for it and rather the reason for the result of the game is solely on the other team's problems. Seems like the kind of thing ESPN does when they show highlights of a powerhouse team losing to a team and focus on the faults of the former rather than giving credit when due. I just don't agree with your overall philosophy on this.

 

[Superbone]

The Warriors currently have a 15 game winning streak against the Suns. Their longest against any one team in franchise history.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I definitely don't agree. I think in a season with 82 games, it's possible for a team to just outplay the other and make it a good game or even get a W. Forget the Suns, I'd feel the way if about the Kings if they were about to play the Warriors or any other. Or any other team that's projected to be very bad. Have seen many heavy weight teams lose to far inferior teams across all sports and many times the first words out of the losing heavy weight team is just "Give them the credit, they outplayed us and got the win". Being outplayed by an inferior team once in an 82 game season does not mean they are a better team but it certainly doesn't mean the team doesn't deserve any credit for it and rather the reason for the result of the game is solely on the other team's problems. Seems like the kind of thing ESPN does when they show highlights of a powerhouse team losing to a team and focus on the faults of the former rather than giving credit when due. I just don't agree with your overall philosophy on this.

Well, you've moved the goal posts quite a bit. Wrapped up in your post is almost the same thing I'm saying. You're just discounting it because we are all taught that sportsmanship requires that you be gracious after a loss and display humility when you win. There are major upsets all the time but most of us watching the game understand that when a superior team loses to an obviously inferior opponent, it's a lack of effort or focus by the superior team.

And I haven't suggested we deserve no credit if we win. We've had this conversation before with you on the other side. Even if they take us lightly, we don't win unless we do a lot of things correctly out there. And for that we deserve credit. But that doesn't change the fact that we cannot beat a team like Golden State without a lot of help from them.

Your initial post seemed to be implying (IMO) that we should be competitive because GS played the night before. My point was, and still is, the difference between the Suns and the Warriors is far more than just the impact of a back to back. Especially early in the season when players are still fairly fresh and whole.

 

[sunsfan88]

Well, you've moved the goal posts quite a bit. Wrapped up in your post is almost the same thing I'm saying. You're just discounting it because we are all taught that sportsmanship requires that you be gracious after a loss and display humility when you win. There are major upsets all the time but most of us watching the game understand that when a superior team loses to an obviously inferior opponent, it's a lack of effort or focus by the superior team.

And I haven't suggested we deserve no credit if we win. We've had this conversation before with you on the other side. Even if they take us lightly, we don't win unless we do a lot of things correctly out there. And for that we deserve credit. But that doesn't change the fact that we cannot beat a team like Golden State without a lot of help from them.

Your initial post seemed to be implying (IMO) that we should be competitive because GS played the night before. My point was, and still is, the difference between the Suns and the Warriors is far more than just the impact of a back to back. Especially early in the season when players are still fairly fresh and whole.

Not at all, I was clear in saying that's what I'm hopeful of.

There are major upsets all the time but most of us watching the game understand that when a superior team loses to an obviously inferior opponent, it's a lack of effort or focus by the superior team.

Again, I disagree with this unless "lack of effort or focus" is another term for "being outplayed" then I am in agreement. I realize you disagree with it but (IMO) an inferior team is well capable of simply playing better and outplaying a team that is projected as superior.

 

[Phrazbit]

Remember when the warriors fans booed the crap out of the owners when they decided to dump Monta Ellis and build around Curry.

Hard to imagine now.

I see people in warriors gear all the time and I occasionally strike up a conversation about basketball and when it comes to Warriors "fans" in Phoenix the extent of their knowledge seems to be "They're good again, right? Steve Curry is amazing!"

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, you've moved the goal posts quite a bit. Wrapped up in your post is almost the same thing I'm saying. You're just discounting it because we are all taught that sportsmanship requires that you be gracious after a loss and display humility when you win. There are major upsets all the time but most of us watching the game understand that when a superior team loses to an obviously inferior opponent, it's a lack of effort or focus by the superior team.

And I haven't suggested we deserve no credit if we win. We've had this conversation before with you on the other side. Even if they take us lightly, we don't win unless we do a lot of things correctly out there. And for that we deserve credit. But that doesn't change the fact that we cannot beat a team like Golden State without a lot of help from them.

Your initial post seemed to be implying (IMO) that we should be competitive because GS played the night before. My point was, and still is, the difference between the Suns and the Warriors is far more than just the impact of a back to back. Especially early in the season when players are still fairly fresh and whole.

Don’t agree with you. These are all guys who play professionally. Yes 95 outta 100 times warriors will win but it’s possible for everything to fall right for the suns and still beat the warriors without the warriors giving up the game. It would require an extremely unique set of circumstances all coming true at the same time for the suns, but they are now talented enough that if humming on literally all cylinders they can beat any team.

 

[Ronin]

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[Russ Smith]

Remember when the warriors fans booed the crap out of the owners when they decided to dump Monta Ellis and build around Curry.

Hard to imagine now.

I see people in warriors gear all the time and I occasionally strike up a conversation about basketball and when it comes to Warriors "fans" in Phoenix the extent of their knowledge seems to be "They're good again, right? Steve Curry is amazing!"

It wasn't really they were building around Curry that had fans booing, it was that they loved Monta Ellis, and they wanted no part of Stephen Jackson who admittedly at that point in his career was a nightmare. As it turned out it was probably the pivotal moment of the franchise taking off aside from drafting Curry (and Klay). Monta was a good player but you weren't going to win starting him and Curry together, too small, and he needed the ball too much. the real key was getting bogut who despite all the injuries was a major factor in the first title. And of course the obvious they were creating a spot for Klay Thompson by moving Ellis.

There were absolutely fans who booed the decision but I don't think it was skepticism about Curry, it was simply Ellis was a much loved player and they were bringing back this villain in Jackson. Nobody expected Curry to be THIS good of course, but even Ellis himself had publicly stated more than once he didn't think he and Curry were ever going to co exist in the same backcourt. Also Bogut had been injured so much there was lots of skepticism about getting him.

But there was definitely an element of luck there too, Jackson could have been an absolute disaster, he'd already played with the Warriors for 3 years and while he had his moments, his behavioral issues were just something they wanted no part of, which is why they traded him that same season after about 10 games. they apparently acquired him with the plan of trading him and it worked. I had to google it because I knew the Jackson trade was important just wasn't sure why. They got a pick from San Antonio that became Festus Ezeli, who like Bogut played a somewhat important role in the teams first title because of defense.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Mike Vigil]

Looks like TD is available to play

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[Chaplin]

Looks like TD is available to play

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Lol let’s hope he doesn’t have to!