Suns @ Warriors 10-22-18

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

some people are overreacting

@GSW and @DEN were 2 of our top 5 hardest games this season.

You’re right and we got our doors blown in from the beginning of each. It’s okay to lose to better teams. It’s not okay to consistently get your doors blown in by them. We are only two games in with a lot of new players a new coach and new systems. I get all that and take what’s happened with a grain of salt. But so far if there’s any pattern it certainly isn’t positive. Yet.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

TJ should start over Anderson. A spark of the bench doesn't matter if you are already down by 20.

Bring Jackson off the bench if he struggles replace him with Bridges. Let them fight it out for sixth man duties.

first priority is a PG. Priority 1a has got to be a defensive PF that can take the pressure off of Ayton.

We have more than enough assets and cash to do both. Neither needs to be a superstar.

Those that want TJ to start are missing two key points:

1. TJ is likely this effective because he’s playing against bench players. EJ pointed this out last night. Likely lose effectiveness if he starts.

2. That means less touches for Ayton and right now we need to feed the beast. We need to get him up to speed as quickly as possible.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You’re right and we got our doors blown in from the beginning of each. It’s okay to lose to better teams. It’s not okay to consistently get your doors blown in by them. We are only two games in with a lot of new players a new coach and new systems. I get all that and take what’s happened with a grain of salt. But so far if there’s any pattern it certainly isn’t positive. Yet.

Our pattern is that when Ariza is playing well, the team plays well. When he does not, they do not.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

• i think Okobo could do that.

FTFY

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. Miami has been offering Richardson, Waiters, and a protected first for Butler. That's the offer and they are playing chicken with it right now.

Richardson is a nice player. He is probably equivalent to TJ at this point.
Waiters is a negative value and is committed for three years.
Not sure about the protections on the first.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Our pattern is that when Ariza is playing well, the team plays well. When he does not, they do not.

You pin 20+ point losses on one guy?

 

[JCSunsfan]

You pin 20+ point losses on one guy?

Just looking at a pattern. Its not the same.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just looking at a pattern. Its not the same.

I think I’m missing the point you’re trying to make.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Our pattern is that when Ariza is playing well, the team plays well. When he does not, they do not.

if we're living and dying by a 33 year old role player, this team is going to be atrocious this year.

I don't believe that to be the case. They just need to really figure out how to feed the beast and make the beast play like one. All in good time.

Was I disappointed seeing us get our doors blown in from the get go the last two games? Yeah. But like I said after the mass win there are going to peaks and valleys this season, with more valleys than peaks most likely. We're SOOOOOO young, and without a real PG/distrubutor that it's going to take time for this team become consistent in any way shape or form, especially against the best in the league. And that's why the Lakers will be a really good test. it's a home game, against a super young team with LeBron. I'm excited to see how that one plays out.

 

[SirStefan32]

It's not about Ariza necessarily. It's about someone besides Booker, and to a lesser degree Ayton, providing scoring in the first quarter. Anderson is streaky, Canaan is not really a good scorer- competent, yes, but not a good scorer. With Warren on the bench, Ariza makes a big difference. If he is on, teams can't really focus on Booker as much.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's not about Ariza necessarily. It's about someone besides Booker, and to a lesser degree Ayton, providing scoring in the first quarter. Anderson is streaky, Canaan is not really a good scorer- competent, yes, but not a good scorer. With Warren on the bench, Ariza makes a big difference. If he is on, teams can't really focus on Booker as much.

100% this! If all we can muster on a consistent basis, as a legit scoring threat, is Booker and to a lesser extent, Ayton, we shouldn't expect much more than what we've seen the past 2 games.
TJ is a scorer, plain & simple... but, I do wonder if he would be a prolific if he were a starter and not coming off the bench. It honestly falls back to the lack of a quality scorer at the PG position. And, as a result, McD lost his job over it...

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think I’m missing the point you’re trying to make.

OK. Just noticing coinciding factors. That better?

 

[taz02]

You cannot have Ayton and Booker on the floor with no outside shooting.

The ideal scenario is for Ariza to be that guy but if he isn't you must look elsewhere.

I think that playing with Ayton would open things up for TJ.

In my view, unless Ariza steps up and hits his shots you have no choice but to move TJ in with the starters.

 

[taz02]

or trade him for a PG that can shoot

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's not about Ariza necessarily. It's about someone besides Booker, and to a lesser degree Ayton, providing scoring in the first quarter. Anderson is streaky, Canaan is not really a good scorer- competent, yes, but not a good scorer. With Warren on the bench, Ariza makes a big difference. If he is on, teams can't really focus on Booker as much.

I agree with this.

The benefit in having waited to get a pg is getting a better idea of what kind of pg we need. It looks like the pg we get really needs to be able to shoot (among other things). He has to have enough gravity to take a little pressure off of Booker.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Since when did “poor decisions on passes” stop counting as turnovers or a negative?!? NINE turnovers. And quite a few were unforced. I love me some Booker but last night he wasn’t a solution.

Why do you always draw a rediculous conclusion every time? No where did I suggest they don’t count as either of those things. I am simply less bothered by an unselfish turnover by Booker than him turning it over simply because he decided to dribble into heavy traffic. He still needs to clean it up, but he is clearly trying to find his teammates on a regular basis so far this season and I see that as a positive.

 

[82CardsGrad]

What's stunning about this game is that TJ had 27 points in 24 mins, and still had a -9 plus/minus... Wow!

 

[leclerc]

Watching the game in replay now. Dang Warriors (commentators) are so smug. Also why is Booker complaining to the refs instead of playing defense (shooting a three with the opposing center in his face)? Is this part of the 150 billion Book?

 

[sunsfan88]

Our pattern is that when Ariza is playing well, the team plays well. When he does not, they do not.

Another pattern I’ve started to notice is that when the Suns play the Mavs, the team plays well. When the Suns play anyone else, they do not.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Another pattern I’ve started to notice is that when the Suns play the Mavs, the team plays well. When the Suns play anyone else, they do not.

They've also played poorly this year whenever the opposing team has Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, or Nikola Jokic on it.

 

[Russ Smith]

What's stunning about this game is that TJ had 27 points in 24 mins, and still had a -9 plus/minus... Wow!

I watched the Warriors feed, Jim Barnett starting the game raving about Booker and Ayton and ended the game raving about Warren and all the youth on the Suns. He kept pointing out how young the nucleus of Booker, Ayton, Warren and Jackson are. Barnett played in the NBA for a long time and he seems to favor shooters but he seems to love Josh Jackson, I remember him talking about him last year as just being a guy who needs a good shooting coach to get the "hitch" out of his shot.

He could not stop talking about Warren though as you guys keep saying his addition of a 3 point shot has made him damn near unguardable, at one point in the 2nd half Barnett pointed out that the Warriors had Iggy on Warren, NOT Booker and said "you know the Warriors are concerned about you when they put Iguodala on you."

He doesn't agree with the board on Ariza and Anderson, he thinks losing Ariza and Mbah a Moute were huge losses to Houston he thinks they are not nearly as good defensively(stats agree so far) without them. And he loves Anderson although to be fair, Anderson is from Sacramento so he's somewhat local to Warriors fans so people tend to favor him.

He was quite impressed with the Suns future though

 

[SirStefan32]

I watched the Warriors broadcast too, and they really sounded very impressed with the youngsters. And Barnett was right- Warren with a three-point shot is impossible to stop/ guard.

 

[leclerc]

Chandler doesn't do much for us. Coach should play that new guy #21 instead.

Glad to see Bender glued to the bench. Not sure garbage time is for him either. Exposes his passiveness too much.

I agree about Ayton's lack of dog (in his fight). Freaking Stephan Curry driving into the paint and hooping it up in his face. Get that poo out of here, DeAndre!

 

[leclerc]

I know one of the plays Ayton was playing a two man game by the basket, and Damian Jones went fast break to the other end and there was no way Ayton could get there. A couple plays Ayton went to help on defense, and Jones just grabbed up offensive boards or was lobbed on. You scout these GS centers and you cannot play help D. I just think Ayton doing too much.

Frigging Kerr was probably planning this, laying awake in the dark with his peering little evil eyes, thinking of how to expose #1 pick Ayton. Not easy for him getting caught in between that sneaky Stef Currie and whoever just dives to the hole (not named glued to the floor Tyson Chandler).

 

[leclerc]

That's it. Switched the game off halfway through the 2nd quarter.