Surprise surprise. Radio guys are idiots

[Joe Mama]

I'm listening to Gambo and Ash on the radio. I just was listening to Tom Zenner and his partner on 1060. Zenner and his cohost were defending the trade by saying that the Phoenix Suns need to get older not younger with the draft. The problem with this way of thinking of course is that the Phoenix Suns should happen easily able to dump that draft pick this summer if they didn't want it. Last year San Antonio dumped the last pick in the first-round for a future first-round draft pick.

I don't mind in giving away the other draft picks to save money, but including the New York Knicks first-round draft pick this summer was a huge blunder. I figure at worst that is going to be that #17 pick in this year's draft. That's where the Phoenix Suns got Cabarkapa the last year.

I've defended the Colangelos and some of their money-saving deals in the past, but this one just thinks. It really reminds me of the Cliff Robinson deal which ended up not helping the Phoenix Suns at all except that it may become bad enough to get Amare Stoudemire in the draft.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Jerry doesn't even know the name of the player acquired who is playing in Serbia. Even after someone told him he couldn't call his name right.

Besides that Vujanic plays in Italy.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by slinslin
Jerry doesn't even know the name of the player acquired who is playing in Serbia. Even after someone told him he couldn't call his name right.

Besides that Vujanic plays in Italy.

He played on the Serbian national team.

 

[slinslin]

Thanks for letting me know, what a surprise!

He is still playing in Italy and not Serbia.

 

[Joe Mama]

Gambo just said that the Phoenix Suns WILL move Jahidi White to the Charlotte bobcats for what looks like the Cleveland draft pick and cash. He says plan "A" is Kobe Bryant. Plan "B" is Okur, they didn't mention what "C" is, but earlier in the show they were talking about Eric Dampier.

BTW as bad as this trade looks for the Phoenix Suns they still don't look like they made the worst moves today. What the hell were Atlanta, Orlando, and especially Boston thinking? I am now officially on the "Danny Ainge is a moron" bandwagon.

Joe Mama

 

[cardsunsfan]

What about Eisely?! You're saying we couldn't have traded him for three picks? He would have been much more worth it. Or maybe we could have traded them both?

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
What about Eisely?! You're saying we couldn't have traded him for three picks? He would have been much more worth it. Or maybe we could have traded them both?

Exactly. I would much rather have substituted Eisley in that scenario rather than Googs. We'd be in really good shape this summer if that were the case. I mean, we seemed to really be desperate to get rid of Googs and his contract is up at the end of the season!

 

[slinslin]

Well if that White trade happens we will have NO picks available to trade Eisley.
We will have no picks from other teams and owe the Spurs one of our own.

Yeah, 2 more Eisley seasons!!!

If that White trade happens....




Marbury, Penny, Knight, Trybanski, Cavs future first, Suns 2005 second, ~6M$ cash

for

Eisley, Lampe and the rights to Vujanic who still needs to be signed.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Exactly. I would much rather have substituted Eisley in that scenario rather than Googs. We'd be in really good shape this summer if that were the case. I mean, we seemed to really be desperate to get rid of Googs and his contract is up at the end of the season!

The whole thing is bizzare. Why weren't the picks used to move Eisley or White? It would have the same cap effect.

 

[elindholm]

He says plan "A" is Kobe Bryant. Plan "B" is Okur, they didn't mention what "C" is, but earlier in the show they were talking about Eric Dampier.

Sounds like they'd better start working on a Plan "D."

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by slinslin
If that White trade happens....

Marbury, Penny, Knight, Trybanski, Cavs future first, Suns 2005 second, ~6M$ cash

for

Eisley, Lampe and the rights to Vujanic who still needs to be signed.

I think the cash goes on the other side, doesn't it?

Don't forget $2m worth of Charlie Ward, either...

 

[elindholm]

Why weren't the picks used to move Eisley or White? It would have the same cap effect.

Probably because they couldn't find a taker. As hcsilla said, it's a lot harder to get rid of bad contracts than some of us had hoped. Utah was happy to make the Gugliotta deal because it doesn't interfere with any of their cap room this summer.

 

[elindholm]

Marbury, Penny, Knight, Trybanski, Cavs future first, Suns 2005 second, ~6M$ cash

for

Eisley, Lampe and the rights to Vujanic who still needs to be signed.

The cash is probably in the Suns' favor because of likely luxury tax considerations. And the White-to-Charlotte scenario is pure speculation at this point.

If you subtract the expiring contracts and cheap scrubs who weren't going to play, and just take things as they are now, it's

Marbury, Hardaway, and the 2005 second-round pick

for

Eisley, Lampe, and the rights to Vujanic

which is pretty sad.

 

[cardsunsfan]

But we should have gotten rid of White or Eisely this summer to the Bobcats...hell I would have given three picks to get rid of Eisely or maybe even white then...

 

[cardsunsfan]

Originally posted by elindholm
Marbury, Penny, Knight, Trybanski, Cavs future first, Suns 2005 second, ~6M$ cash

for

Eisley, Lampe and the rights to Vujanic who still needs to be signed.

The cash is probably in the Suns' favor because of likely luxury tax considerations. And the White-to-Charlotte scenario is pure speculation at this point.

If you subtract the expiring contracts and cheap scrubs who weren't going to play, and just take things as they are now, it's

Marbury, Hardaway, and the 2005 second-round pick

for

Eisley, Lampe, and the rights to Vujanic

which is pretty sad.

So basically we would have given away Marbury and Hardaway for free probably if we had been able to do it.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Exactly. I would much rather have substituted Eisley in that scenario rather than Googs. We'd be in really good shape this summer if that were the case. I mean, we seemed to really be desperate to get rid of Googs and his contract is up at the end of the season!

Come on people! If the Phoenix Suns could have dumped Howard Eiseley on any team for the same draft picks don't you think they would have done it? Let's use our heads here. If the Phoenix Suns thought for a second they would be old to do the same with Howard Eiseley this summer they would have waited.

Howard Eiseley, for at least the next year or two, is basically immovable. This is the silly thing about some of these trades that teams make. The fans always think that they could have done something else that would have been better for the team within the same basic trade parameters.

If the luxury tax does actually kick in, and the Phoenix Suns save $12 million I'll still think that they gave away too much. However I'll be a little bit more forgiving.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Come on people! If the Phoenix Suns could have dumped Howard Eiseley on any team for the same draft picks don't you think they would have done it? Let's use our heads here. If the Phoenix Suns thought for a second they would be old to do the same with Howard Eiseley this summer they would have waited.

Joe Mama

Of course, I was only half-serious.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by elindholm
He says plan "A" is Kobe Bryant. Plan "B" is Okur, they didn't mention what "C" is, but earlier in the show they were talking about Eric Dampier.

Sounds like they'd better start working on a Plan "D."

About the only option they could afford would be Divac on a one year contract. They could then make a push in 2005 when White's contract expires and Eisley only has one year left on his contract. Of course they had this option plus two draft picks if they just waited until Googs came off contract.

One bizzare thought comes to mind. With the disasterous trading that Boston has been doing, the chances of Cleveland making the playoffs are slightly higher. It would be very weird if the Cleveland pick was actually usable and thus could be given to the Jazz.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Come on people! If the Phoenix Suns could have dumped Howard Eiseley on any team for the same draft picks don't you think they would have done it? Let's use our heads here. If the Phoenix Suns thought for a second they would be old to do the same with Howard Eiseley this summer they would have waited.

Howard Eiseley, for at least the next year or two, is basically immovable. This is the silly thing about some of these trades that teams make. The fans always think that they could have done something else that would have been better for the team within the same basic trade parameters.

If the luxury tax does actually kick in, and the Phoenix Suns save $12 million I'll still think that they gave away too much. However I'll be a little bit more forgiving.

Joe Mama

Hell if I knew this was going down though I would have given three first round picks and the second to get rid of Eisely! You're saying the Bobcats wouldn't have taken that?

 

[slinslin]

The Suns send cash to Utah to take Googs. ~3M$

The Suns also would send cashto Charlotte. ~3M$

Makes a total of 6M$.

The Suns only received cash in the New York trade which was used to buyout Charlie Ward.

So the Suns traded 6M$ cash.

They probably still save a very little money by buying out Ward's contract and some because Clark's contract is smaller than Goog's.

So that pretty much might cancel out the 6M$.

Nobody knows if there will be a luxury tax this season even.

 

[Chaplin]

And again, this trade does absolutely nothing for the product we put on the court. ALL it does is soften the blow for the Colangelo's bank accounts. That's it.

In fact, it actually hurts us basketball-wise because we give up so many picks.

This is just a terrible trade all around. The ONLY reason I came to accept the Marbury trade was because of the picks (and Lampe, but since he doesn't play anyway, he's a nonfactor). Now those reasons are gone.

They have effectively destroyed this basketball team. Plain and simple.

But hey, at least they don't have to pay the luxury tax!

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Hell if I knew this was going down though I would have given three first round picks and the second to get rid of Eisely! You're saying the Bobcats wouldn't have taken that?

Not the Bobcats (due to the expansion rules) but maybe the Hawks. They have a lot of rebuilding to do.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by George O'Brien

One bizzare thought comes to mind. With the disasterous trading that Boston has been doing, the chances of Cleveland making the playoffs are slightly higher. It would be very weird if the Cleveland pick was actually usable and thus could be given to the Jazz.

That's the ONLY thing that could make me begin to accept this idiotic move.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Chaplin
And again, this trade does absolutely nothing for the product we put on the court. ALL it does is soften the blow for the Colangelo's bank accounts. That's it.

In fact, it actually hurts us basketball-wise because we give up so many picks.

This is just a terrible trade all around. The ONLY reason I came to accept the Marbury trade was because of the picks (and Lampe, but since he doesn't play anyway, he's a nonfactor). Now those reasons are gone.

They have effectively destroyed this basketball team. Plain and simple.

But hey, at least they don't have to pay the luxury tax!

I agree with you Chap, except to say they have "destroyed this basketball team" is a bit extreme and overstated. They still have some very nice players to build around.

The most distressing part is that they had a plan and we all thought we might get a little continuity on the team. Instead they completely change course and undo a big part of what we thought they were building.

This deal is pretty sad.

 

[elindholm]

It would be very weird if the Cleveland pick was actually usable and thus could be given to the Jazz.

Just think: the Suns missed out on a golden opportunity. They could have traded Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland for Bimbo Coles and Bruno Sundov, both of whom have expiring contracts. Then the Suns would have more cap room this summer, and Cleveland would be quite likely to make the playoffs, giving Phoenix an additional pick.

Then they could have used that pick to move Eisley to Charlotte, and then they could have signed Elden Campbell to a four-year deal for $38 million.

Problem solved! Why didn't they think of that?