Targets for #38

[JeffGollin]

Barring a trade, we pick 6th in the second round.

My top remaining 6 (order of preference)

33. Brooks Reed DE/OLB

34. Da'Quan Bowers DE (A medical risk at #5; good enough to risk only getting a few years out of him at #38). About his not being a good fit. I think it was Mora who pointed out that, if you have a guy who can rush the passer and you need a pass rush, a creative DC will find a way to spot the guy (whether in a 3-4, 4-3 or hybrid of both) so that he can rush the QB.

35. Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA

36. Ben Ijalana OG Villanova (Might be good as an OT/OG swing guy).

37. Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas (Like Bowers, a risk in round one for other reasons - but has worked under center, has the best arm in the draft and might be worth the risk at #38. If the Cards are leery, I might elevate Dalton into this slot).

38. Marvin Austin DT North Carolina (Saw him. Liked him. Leery about our depth at NT, in light of Watson's knee and Robinson's likely departure).

 

[WildBB]

Hot and Cold on the guy.

I take Stefen Wisniewski over him because Wisniewski is a center who can play guard, and we have a need, IMO, at both those positions. Granted we have some issues at OT, but I like Jeremy Bridges enough that I can live with him there as depth.

As for tackle, in the 3rd round if Joseph Barksdale is there, I hope the Cardinals jump all over him.

Gilbert and Cannon would be options in the 3rd, I think. Also the OG from Georgia - Boling.

 

[lobo]

This. You know your football.

Bigger than Miller and just as fast.

Would be a big plus...saw him all year and he can play

 

[lobo]

Barring a trade, we pick 6th in the second round.

My top remaining 6 (order of preference)

33. Brooks Reed DE/OLB

34. Da'Quan Bowers DE (A medical risk at #5; good enough to risk only getting a few years out of him at #38). About his not being a good fit. I think it was Mora who pointed out that, if you have a guy who can rush the passer and you need a pass rush, a creative DC will find a way to spot the guy (whether in a 3-4, 4-3 or hybrid of both) so that he can rush the QB.

35. Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA

36. Ben Ijalana OG Villanova (Might be good as an OT/OG swing guy).

37. Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas (Like Bowers, a risk in round one for other reasons - but has worked under center, has the best arm in the draft and might be worth the risk at #38. If the Cards are leery, I might elevate Dalton into this slot).

38. Marvin Austin DT North Carolina (Saw him. Liked him. Leery about our depth at NT, in light of Watson's knee and Robinson's likely departure).

If Bowers can recover...the obvious steal of the draft....a calculated risk I would take....drafting really elevates the need to have the finest medical staff possible....both shrinks and guys who can read an x-ray!!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Dude is a natural fit at SOLB spot. And most pundits disagree with your assessment having him no later than the 40th best overall.

NFL.Com rates him 59th overall and basically say he is stiff with limited potential. Where have I heard that before?

 

[kerouac9]

The problem with taking Ayers is we already have a similar - and better - player on the team in D Washington.

Ayers would probably play SOLB (Haggans position) or SILB (where Porter was a failure last year). Ayers would not be a good WILB at all. Also, it's an open question whether or not he'd be better than Daryl Washington, who didn't do all that much last season.

I'd love to trade back 10 spots, pick up an extra 4th or 5th, and draft Sam Acho. He does have experience playing in the 2-point stance and will be excellent on special teams until he's ready to take over for Clark Haggans at the very least.

Unless we draft Brooks Reed or another intermediate contributor at the rush linebacker position this afternoon, I think you can expect to see Joey Porter starting there this fall with Schofield spelling him.

People who like Ben Ijiliana should do some reserach on Chris Williams and Branden Albert. Why would you draft a guy to play a position in the NFL he couldn't even at a IAA level?

 

[ARZCardinals]

Ayers or Bowers

2nd round they are only 50% likely to be starters in 4 years...it's a flip of a coin

3rd round they are only 25% likely to be starters in 4 years

4th and beyond it drops below 15%....so any hype on these guys is just that HYPE.

 

[football karma]

Ayers would probably play SOLB (Haggans position) or SILB (where Porter was a failure last year). Ayers would not be a good WILB at all. Also, it's an open question whether or not he'd be better than Daryl Washington, who didn't do all that much last season.



People who like Ben Ijiliana should do some reserach on Chris Williams and Branden Albert. Why would you draft a guy to play a position in the NFL he couldn't even at a IAA level?

On the first -- i have seen a lot of Ayers playing standing up. Again, he strikes me as more of an all around type rather than a pure outside edge rusher. Haggans spot is likely a good call.

as for the offensive line -- I think the team needs tackles rather than guards. Both Keith and Brown are probably better suited inside. Unfortunately, the last higher level true tackle went off the board at #32. the remainder are just like Levi and Keith -- built like tackles but likely lack the lateral quickness to play the position at a high level in the nfl.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I am trying to stop being bitter, and a big baby

Good luck with that

 

[kerouac9]

On the first -- i have seen a lot of Ayers playing standing up. Again, he strikes me as more of an all around type rather than a pure outside edge rusher. Haggans spot is likely a good call.

as for the offensive line -- I think the team needs tackles rather than guards. Both Keith and Brown are probably better suited inside. Unfortunately, the last higher level true tackle went off the board at #32. the remainder are just like Levi and Keith -- built like tackles but likely lack the lateral quickness to play the position at a high level in the nfl.

I agree with you, but I think this is a minority opinion within the Hardy Drive complex. Keith was starting to be a solid tackle before he got injured (and he played three quarters with the injury!). Brown is going to get an eight-figure salary next season and has to show that he's worth extending.

I just don't see how drafting a Div IAA guard who was too injured to work out all offseason solves your tackle problem. Especially when we have 2 legit OGs on the roster right now (2.5 if you count Bridges).

 

[Garthshort]

For what it's worth, Charlie Casserly said that it's important in round two to go BPA and not draft for need. FA can be used for need. That said it's hard to not look closely at OLB's. We'll see, tonight. But, at least on paper, if we don't trade down too far, there will be a good player available for us.

 

[kerouac9]

For what it's worth, Charlie Casserly said that it's important in round two to go BPA and not draft for need. FA can be used for need. That said it's hard to not look closely at OLB's. We'll see, tonight. But, at least on paper, if we don't trade down too far, there will be a good player available for us.

That's the thing: Who are the FAs at outside linebacker that you're going to be able to get? I'm hard-pressed to say that if we got Brooks Reed or Dontay Moch or Sam Acho that they wouldn't come in and be better than Manny Lawson (who I think will get an overvalued contract early in FA).

Also, the BPA is important because you're getting into lesser picks and the fits for system are going to be more important. This is where the draft boards really start separating themselves (unless you're smoking opium like the Seahawks apparently were). As Graves said, Peterson was #5 on the Cards' board, which means that we really liked Cam Newton.

 

[Cardiac]

That's the thing: Who are the FAs at outside linebacker that you're going to be able to get? I'm hard-pressed to say that if we got Brooks Reed or Dontay Moch or Sam Acho that they wouldn't come in and be better than Manny Lawson (who I think will get an overvalued contract early in FA).

Also, the BPA is important because you're getting into lesser picks and the fits for system are going to be more important. This is where the draft boards really start separating themselves (unless you're smoking opium like the Seahawks apparently were). As Graves said, Peterson was #5 on the Cards' board, which means that we really liked Cam Newton.

Two leaps in logic.

Why couldn't the Cards have liked Julio more then Newton?

How do you know the Seahawks prefer opium?

 

[slinslin]

Two leaps in logic.

Why couldn't the Cards have liked Julio more then Newton?

How do you know the Seahawks prefer opium?

The Cards would have drafted Julio Jones if that was the case since they had 4 players rated higher than PP it means that all 4 players they rated higher were drafted infront of PP unless they purposedly took the lesser player on their board which is ridiculous.

Newton had the by far most talent in the draft it is likely the Cards had him at #1 too.

 

[Cardiac]

The Cards would have drafted Julio Jones if that was the case since they had 4 players rated higher than PP it means that all 4 players they rated higher were drafted infront of PP unless they purposedly took the lesser player on their board which is ridiculous.

Newton had the by far most talent in the draft it is likely the Cards had him at #1 too.

Sound logic. I will always be grateful to the Panthers.

 

[kerouac9]

Two leaps in logic.

Why couldn't the Cards have liked Julio more then Newton?

How do you know the Seahawks prefer opium?

Seattle is the closest NFL franchise to the Orient. Duh.

 

[ARodg]

2nd round Houston or Ayers
3rd/4th Virgil Green
3rd/4th Taiwan Jones
3rd/4th Martez Wilson

Sound attractive to me in the next 2 rounds, I don't really get the hype for Reed on this board. None of the scouting reports about him are very flattering and describe him as:
-dependable
-high motor
-stiff
-uncreative
-slow
-unathletic
-low ceiling
-modest college production

Taiwan Jones had 13 fumbles last year. At Easten Washington. Say No to Taiwan Jones.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think you can expect to see Joey Porter starting there this fall with Schofield spelling him.

I really hope this isn't the plan, Porter was awful last year. Between FA and the draft, we need to improve that position immediately, and I hope that Schofield has progressed past what Porter brings at this point.

 

[Cardiac]

Seattle is the closest NFL franchise to the Orient. Duh.

Well both my logic points have been shot down now.

 

[john h]

Mallet & Kaepernick are there too.

I would like Mallet but I think one of those teams ahead of us will take him. I would not be surprised if New England took him. I sure wonder what the Cardinal think tank has in mind for a QB this year? Could they already be talking to agents. Could they be talking to agent for Kolb? Or are they not permitted to be talking to anyone under the just released rules. There are only a few that would be worth obtaining and there will be 5-6 teams chasing them. We have never been good at competing for a player. We just react to slow. Look at last year when we got Anderson. If Anderson and Hall are released (they should be released) we need two QBs.

Surely a QB has to be the highest priority of things they need to address. If they do nothing they you can assume they have decided we are in a rebuilding year. NFL teams no longer look at any year as a rebuilding year. To many player movements. Like us you can go from last to first or first to last in one year. Surprisingly there were a number of first round QBs who made a big difference last year. Guys like Flacco made themselves known in a big way and teams are no longer looking to let a #1 pick sit on the bench and learn. They will throw the new guy in just like St Louis did. You can bet this year St Louis will make a lot of noise as their new QB looked really good last year and they appear to be set at QB for many years to come.

 

[football karma]

As Graves said, Peterson was #5 on the Cards' board, which means that we really liked Cam Newton.

it really weird. In the official post pick press conference, Graves said the Cards really liked 4 of the 5 players picked in the top five. He said that twice --

Somers later reported that the Cards would have been happy with Miller, Dareaus, Green or Peterson-and obviously Peterson was the last one available.

Then of course, Graves kinda blurts out in a subsequent interview that Peterson was #5 on their board.

It just doesn't make any sense (not that it really matters)

 

[john h]

Mallet & Kaepernick are there too.

Our greatest need by far is a QB. If either of these guys are anywhere close to being on the the best players available you take him. Of course a BPA might be just that for one team but not for another. If you have an all-pro 25 year old center and the BPA is a center I think you need to juggle your thought process.

 

[PaulW]

ANYTIME has it right except for Ayers. Do not want him, too soft.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Martez Wilson

Right on the button. If not and it's a QB I hope it's Kaepernick

 

[PaulW]

2nd Sheard
3rd Bruce Carter
4th Housler