Tell me again Brown is a better pick than AP

[Duckjake]

How do we know the team didn't have a pass play called on first down before the false start?

Really that's irrelevant.

According to this board false starts are the only thing used to measure an offensive lineman and any false start kills a drive. Brown is turning into a false start machine and is therefore a bust and needs to be replaced.

Or maybe we've learned that isn't true like I said for two years and not let a quality talent* go somewhere else to play because our team has a problem with the snap count.

*Brown's a rookie so the jury is still out on his ability to play in the NFL.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Could we start a board just for Bucky to rant about AP?

This is an apples to oranges argument - like saying would you rather have Walter Payton or Anthony Munoz (I know they weren't drafted the same year).

 

[AzKarl]

While you are at it lets blame them for passing on Dan Marino when he came out of Pittsburgh.

 

[Duckjake]

While you are at it lets blame them for passing on Dan Marino when he came out of Pittsburgh.

Can't do that because the Cards already had a young pro-bowl caliber QB in 1983. A guy who would throw for over 4500 yards and 28 TDs in 1984. Not as good as Marino turned out but good enough to justify passing on him.

Instead let's fault them for taking Leonard Smith instead of Darrell Green.

 

[Russ Smith]

He is right.

This is just like when the Texans chose Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush.

I mean you can't pass up an impact player like Bush for Mario Williams. Bush is a one in a lifetime player. I mean look at this year, Bust is.......well, anyway Mario Williams only has 9 ......wait, sorry I though this would be a good example.

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AP
14 attempts, 3 yards

Get over it.

So I guess we can just ignore that silly NFL single game record then because of what happened yesterday?

I got stuck watching the 49er game yesterday, they were actually counting the men in the box because it was so funny, several times SF had NINE in the box when AP was in.

Taylor broke the one long run thanks to a bunch of missed tackles downfield.

But if you watched the game you could see in a game where he had only 3 yards rushing, Peterson COMPLETELY changed the game because SF was so worried about him they ignored the pass and let Jackson have a very good passing day(for him).

Take away the one long run and Taylor had 17 yards on 7 carries, SF was stacking the run all game daring Jackson to beat them. Of course the Viking defense was scoring too.

Brown may be good, he's not now and nobody comes into a Cardinal game saying we have to find a way to contain Levi Brown's blocking.

Kerney is killing everyone of late so I guess we should have helped Brown more.

 

[joeshmo]

Kerney is killing everyone of late so I guess we should have helped Brown more.

Just one of many area's of the game we were out coached and out gameplanned.

Just like last years game against the Raiders when we decided to single block Burgess all game long.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So I guess we can just ignore that silly NFL single game record then because of what happened yesterday?

I got stuck watching the 49er game yesterday, they were actually counting the men in the box because it was so funny, several times SF had NINE in the box when AP was in.

Taylor broke the one long run thanks to a bunch of missed tackles downfield.

But if you watched the game you could see in a game where he had only 3 yards rushing, Peterson COMPLETELY changed the game because SF was so worried about him they ignored the pass and let Jackson have a very good passing day(for him).

Take away the one long run and Taylor had 17 yards on 7 carries, SF was stacking the run all game daring Jackson to beat them. Of course the Viking defense was scoring too.

Brown may be good, he's not now and nobody comes into a Cardinal game saying we have to find a way to contain Levi Brown's blocking.

Kerney is killing everyone of late so I guess we should have helped Brown more.

Yawwwwn.
14 attempts = 3 yards. That is all I know about the game since I watched the Cardinals game from start to finish.

I can care less about AP and the god-like powers the board seems to think he has.

He'd be doing nothing behind our line and I that is my opinion on the matter.

I personally hate talking about and seeing about it. Especially in week 14. The draft is over. The guy is on another team. The guy we picked is playing very well for a rookie tackle and is getting ripped to shreds by his own fans for his trouble.

To sit here and glorify a player not even on this team, and to trash on one that is ridiculous.

Whatever, I know it is me just and my opinion so who cares.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yawwwwn.
14 attempts = 3 yards. That is all I know about the game since I watched the Cardinals game from start to finish.

I can care less about AP and the god-like powers the board seems to think he has.

He'd be doing nothing behind our line and I that is my opinion on the matter.

I personally hate talking about and seeing about it. Especially in week 14. The draft is over. The guy is on another team. The guy we picked is playing very well for a rookie tackle and is getting ripped to shreds by his own fans for his trouble.

To sit here and glorify a player not even on this team, and to trash on one that is ridiculous.

Whatever, I know it is me just and my opinion so who cares.

I guess I don't follow the whole reason people say we had to pick Brown was to build the OL. Now you're saying AP would do nothing here because our OL isn't good, so what did we achieve by taking Brown?

They were talking about it in the game yesterday at one point late in the game he had 0 yards rushing and the announcers were saying this is amazing he doesn't have a single yard and yet he completely changed this game because SF sold out to stop the run so much..

I hope Brown pans out but I don't see anything yet that leads me to believe he'll ever be near as good at his job as AP is already at his.

 

[D-Dogg]

I wanted AP over Brown but you can't rip on Brwon because of this bad game. On TV the announce pretty much said that Kerney had Brwon read and that Levi was favoring the inside all the time so he wouldn't get beat that way. He said Kearney was going to take advantage of that and speed rush him all day. That's what he did. That's a vet schooling a rookie. Brown will get better. .

Well said...he was taken to class and the coaching sucked in not getting him help.

Good learning tape for Levi, I guess.

Besides that damn AP cost me a playoff game in FF. How do you run 14 times for 3 yard with a long run of 4? I was debating all morning whether to go with AP or Jamal Lewis. Of course, Lewis goes for 118 and 2 TD's . I lose by 5 points

Matt (who you met at our tailgate) and I had a first round playoff matchup (1st and 3rd best teams in the league, don't get me started) and he had AP. So basically, I move on. It was decided before Addai decided to pile on and extend my lead.

I feel your pain, only from the exact opposite side of the spectrum.

 

[D-Dogg]

They were talking about it in the game yesterday at one point late in the game he had 0 yards rushing and the announcers were saying this is amazing he doesn't have a single yard and yet he completely changed this game because SF sold out to stop the run so much..

I don't know...that sounds like announcers just drooling over a guy because he's supposed to be drooled over. Not that it wouldn't be true, but it just smacks on "AD is awesome, so lets talk him up regardless." Announcers are usually pretty dumb, especially the ones selected for a Niners/Vikings matchup.

 

[DaisyCutter]

For what it's worth, I don't think we rolled players over to block Kearney because we decided that we were going to negate Julian Peterson. Peterson had 3 tackles. That's it. On the season, he has 9 sacks and 2 INTs. You have to pick your poison, and because the WR corps was all beat up, we had to send players out into patterns.

Still, Russ Grimm needs to start getting some criticism. We have 2 high draft picks and 2 allegedly high-profile free agents who have been playing together for a while, and we've gone from the 30th ranked rushing offense to the 27th ranked rushing offense. In rushing efficiency, we've gone from 32nd to 27th. I think we're worse now rushing the ball than we were at the end of last season when we ran out the Davis-Milford Brown-Leckey-Lutui-Wells line.

 

[DaisyCutter]

I don't know...that sounds like announcers just drooling over a guy because he's supposed to be drooled over. Not that it wouldn't be true, but it just smacks on "AD is awesome, so lets talk him up regardless." Announcers are usually pretty dumb, especially the ones selected for a Niners/Vikings matchup.

I don't know. He is still #1 in the NFC and #2 in the NFL in rushing yards while sharing time with another good back. Maybe the announcers were drooling over him not because he's supposed to be drooled over, but because he's worth drooling over?

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't know. He is still #1 in the NFC and #2 in the NFL in rushing yards while sharing time with another good back. Maybe the announcers were drooling over him not because he's supposed to be drooled over, but because he's worth drooling over?

That's all fine and dandy, and he's a fantastic player.

And yes, they were drooling over him because he is worth drooling over, despite him having a bad game so they had to invent a way to keep drooling. Not a hard concept and it happens all the time.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't know. He is still #1 in the NFC and #2 in the NFL in rushing yards while sharing time with another good back. Maybe the announcers were drooling over him not because he's supposed to be drooled over, but because he's worth drooling over?

The guy is a great talent.

And if you like him then great.

My advise ? Anyone who wants to talk about him each and every week should sign up for the Vikings Message board and go have fun.

He doesn't play on the Cardinals and in my opinion would have been the wrong pick for the Cardinals. I could understand seeing a couple threads about the kid but it has been every single week.

And I am not doing one of those "You not a real fan......." threads. But if you wanna talk Vikings football go talk it up with Viking fans. I bet they are more receptive about talking about AP every week.

Fruthermore, exactly how would you be able to compare the impact of a OT and RB?

 

[jefftheshark]

If you want to see how our old line is doing, all you have to do is watch the Rams play. Yesterday the starting O-Line included M. Brown, Leckey and Gorin.

Jackson had 91 yards on 18 carries for a 5.1 average against the same Cincy D that held James to 52 yards on 22 attempts (2.4 ave.).

Things that make you say, hmmmmm.

JTS

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know...that sounds like announcers just drooling over a guy because he's supposed to be drooled over. Not that it wouldn't be true, but it just smacks on "AD is awesome, so lets talk him up regardless." Announcers are usually pretty dumb, especially the ones selected for a Niners/Vikings matchup.

Well it was obvious, they'd fake a handoff to AP and the WR's were wide open because the whole SF defense bought the fake. It was one of the more obvious cases of a defense selling out I've seen in awhile. They were determined to stop Peterson and make Jackson beat them. As it turned out the SF offense gave the game away.

 

[D-Dogg]

Well it was obvious, they'd fake a handoff to AP and the WR's were wide open because the whole SF defense bought the fake. It was one of the more obvious cases of a defense selling out I've seen in awhile. They were determined to stop Peterson and make Jackson beat them. As it turned out the SF offense gave the game away.

Yeah, I was going to say that it probably would have worked, too...if SF had any sembelance of an offense.

 

[DaisyCutter]

If you want to see how our old line is doing, all you have to do is watch the Rams play. Yesterday the starting O-Line included M. Brown, Leckey and Gorin.

Jackson had 91 yards on 18 carries for a 5.1 average against the same Cincy D that held James to 52 yards on 22 attempts (2.4 ave.).

Things that make you say, hmmmmm.

JTS

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah, I was going to say that it probably would have worked, too...if SF had any sembelance of an offense.

Apparently a fan died at the game fell over a wall about 20 feet and landed on concrete. 5 minutes after I first heard that report a local news guy was joking "are they sure he didn't jump after watching the offense."

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I guess I don't follow the whole reason people say we had to pick Brown was to build the OL. Now you're saying AP would do nothing here because our OL isn't good, so what did we achieve by taking Brown?

Took a big step forward towards improving the line. Brown's not going to instantenously make the Cardinal line improve, but he's a building block and gives them a valuable cog to work for the future with.

I know it's easier to look at the glass half full especially with Peterson being as good as he did so far.. Yet, if we're going to all continuously cry over who WASN'T taken, we may as well just create an entire subforum with "WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS GUY INSTEAD OF (FILL IN ACTUAL PICK HERE)" and dwell over why the team passed on Tom Brady, Shaun Alexander, LT, etc.. etc... etc.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Took a big step forward towards improving the line. Brown's not going to instantenously make the Cardinal line improve, but he's a building block and gives them a valuable cog to work for the future with.

took a big step improving the line? We're ranked 27th in the league in rushing and whereas last season it seemed like we couldn't run the ball in the first half of the year but figured it out in the second, this year, we could run the ball in the first four games and haven't been able to since. How is that improvement?

I know it's easier to look at the glass half full especially with Peterson being as good as he did so far.. Yet, if we're going to all continuously cry over who WASN'T taken, we may as well just create an entire subforum with "WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS GUY INSTEAD OF (FILL IN ACTUAL PICK HERE)" and dwell over why the team passed on Tom Brady, Shaun Alexander, LT, etc.. etc... etc.

or we could actually just fire our GM who consistently makes these mistakes and actually get a guuy who knows football so we might actually take some of these players and then we wouldn't have to bitch about it so much.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

took a big step improving the line? We're ranked 27th in the league in rushing and whereas last season it seemed like we couldn't run the ball in the first half of the year but figured it out in the second, this year, we could run the ball in the first four games and haven't been able to since. How is that improvement?



or we could actually just fire our GM who consistently makes these mistakes and actually get a guuy who knows football so we might actually take some of these players and then we wouldn't have to bitch about it so much.

Correct me, if wrong... but aren't you one of posters that says that we don't have a GM? If so... no need to fire... just hire, right?

"We" suggests you speak for all.... you don't.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

took a big step improving the line? We're ranked 27th in the league in rushing and whereas last season it seemed like we couldn't run the ball in the first half of the year but figured it out in the second, this year, we could run the ball in the first four games and haven't been able to since. How is that improvement?

See part two...

Brown's not going to instantenously make the Cardinal line improve, but he's a building block and gives them a valuable cog to work for the future with.

or we could actually just fire our GM who consistently makes these mistakes and actually get a guuy who knows football so we might actually take some of these players and then we wouldn't have to bitch about it so much.

That works too.

 

[john h]

Yes, the Cards are the stupidest team in the league, thats what Im hearing right? And the Oakland Raiders, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Washington Redskins all get a free pass.. What a wonderful thread..

I think I read yesterday that it was 1988 that the Cards were at .500 or above after yesterdays game. Nineteen years to never be over .500 after 13 games. I would suggest General Patton as our next head coach maggots. There is a principal that what ever can go wrong will go wrong. Cardinal fans know this only to well. It is time to think about the draft. At least it comes later this year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Could we start a board just for Bucky to rant about AP?

This is an apples to oranges argument - like saying would you rather have Walter Payton or Anthony Munoz (I know they weren't drafted the same year).

it is NOT like saying that AT ALL.

right now, peterson looks to be in walter's class. on his best day he was the best in the history of the nfl. wow, says something.

right now, brown doesn't look anywhere NEAR munoz's class. not even on brown's greatest day this year has he approached munoz's dominance.

but nice to make a fallacious argument to support a weak position.